UPDATE: ISRAEL V IRAN - Trump just announced we bombed Fordow

[stevestojan]

13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Hegseth might be the most unqualified person in any government position - and that’s saying a lot with the current admiration (Weestlemania queen calling AI “A1” over and over as the secretary of education might beat him out by a nose, but I digress).
 

But I’ll say picking nits over his choice of “our boys” (a commonly used phrase throughout military history) is why dems are seen as weak at times. 
 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by stevestojan

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

 

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Iran said they have a war before curtailing there Nuclear program, so we simply finished the war before they could start it. Truly how spectacular is your TDS that you defend the indefensible Iranian regime? 

 

 

You are correct (again) OB

 

 

"Vance says U.S. 'not at war with Iran, we're at war with Iran's nuclear program'

 

President Donald Trump said Saturday night that the U.S. had dropped bombs on three Iranian nuclear sites, the first time the U.S. has directly attacked Iran" (NBC News).

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/vance-says-us-not-war-iran-re-war-irans-nuclear-program-rcna214329

[stevestojan]

3 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

 

If this is true, we will never ever hear it from this administration. 
 

Im not sure how this can be confirmed - or what Drunken Pete says can be confirmed - until they either continue building a bomb (and from the rights on here, they are a country of dimwits, so unlikely) or they don’t. 

[Roundybout]

17 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Iran said they have a war before curtailing there Nuclear program, so we simply finished the war before they could start it. Truly how spectacular is your TDS that you defend the indefensible Iranian regime? 

When did I defend Iran? Please be specific. 

[stevestojan]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Objectively I thought it was terrible.  The focus was on Israel.  Mr. secular "Prince of Peace" bombed an adversary for the benefit of Israel, not as part of his "America First" approach.  And the "We love you God" line was just abhorrent.  Invoking God while starting a war and deporting people who look like God's son is simply wrong.  

Exactly.  Everyone who does business with this guy eventually gets burned.  

Of course it was terrible. He’s an awful speaker. I was speaking in jest since his Al-Baghdadi is known as objectively one of the most embarrassing speeches by a POTUS ever. So yes. This one was better.  Seems like at least this time they gave him the phonetic spellings on his teleprompter. “We love you God.” 😂

[Dukestreetking]

Quick comment, as normally I read entire threads before I weigh in (I don't have the chance right now).

 

Just general atmospheric statement, based on experience: many, many, many things go bump in the night.

 

So, I suspect we publicly know a tiny slice of ground-truth, and the related operations.

 

This would include not only precise BDA, but also (potential) follow-on ops, across any spectrum one might imagine.

 

I'll eschew any political comment. Out here, DSK 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

3 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

If this is true, we will never ever hear it from this administration. 
 

Im not sure how this can be confirmed - or what Drunken Pete says can be confirmed - until they either continue building a bomb (and from the rights on here, they are a country of dimwits, so unlikely) or they don’t. 

I suppose the Japanese high command was patting themselves on the back on Dec. 8. What comes next is a mystery. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

21 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

 

 

 

Aside from being Russian - this is how you know everything he just said is complete bull ***t

 

 

 

 

That should also confirm an anti American anti Trump bot writes his posts.  

[ComradeKayAdams]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Evidence? What a concept. I'd dare say the evidence of an iminent threat has been destroyed. Or perhaps the evidence of there not being any immenent threat has been destroyed. Either way, that secret will most certainly be kept well hidden by the governments of America and Isreal.

 

For me the major theme at play remains intact. If you want to protect yourself from attacks launched at the whims of countries possessing big league military capabilities and nuclear weapons you better get some nukes too as that seems to be the only deterrent they fear.

 

Agreed! And let’s also reiterate the TRUE origins of this Iran-Israel-U.S. conflict, lest the PPP warmongers try to obfuscate otherwise: the 1953 coup in Iran and the 1948 Nakba.

 

3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

You believe that we will see the evidence in less than 10 years? I am certain we still have sources in the Iranian program who are feeding us info and I would prefer they not get murdered so you feel better. the fact that your immediate reaction is to defend Iran vs the US shows how messed up mentally you are. 

 

I’m anti-American Empire, not pro-Iran. I am in favor of national sovereignty and human rights while against unnecessary wars and collective punishment. My first instinct of distrusting government claims of WMD’s is a consequence of growing up in the post-9/11 era. What you deem to be a sign of mental illness is what I consider to be a sign of basic intelligence.

 

No, I don’t believe we will see the evidence in under 10 years or ever. As a concerned American citizen, it’s not that I need the specific intelligence made public to me. I just need various trusted third parties to see the evidence in private and then to publicly confirm that the claims are legitimate.

 

 

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

A third grade eyeless child could read the content and quality of your posts compared to his and conclude you might actually be the third grade eyeless child. 

 

I’m a girl, actually, but thank you for your kind words! You’re a good poster, too. This forum could use more people like yourself who can sustain political discussions and debate.

 

Also: I’m a social democrat and not a communist or even a socialist, but don’t expect BillsFanNC to ever understand the distinction. The “comrade” in my name is a tongue-in-cheek thing.

 

P.S. A friend of Muppy is a friend of Commie Kay!

 

 

2 hours ago, muppy said:

Kay it is always good to read you. I am so ******* torn because on one hand if IF this war action  does effectively  oust the current regime in Iran FOR HE IRANIAN people I will CELEBRATE. Not that he put us smack dab in the middle of war though.

 

so Im torn. 

 

 

I don't pretend to have all the answers like a lot of the PPP heros down in here

 

LHM

 

I hear ya, but I’m just super pessimistic that the current Iranian regime can be ousted without American boots on the ground. Moreover, I’m far from confident that a replacement regime would be any better for the world or for Iranians.

 

Love ya, Mups!

 

<< hugs Muppy >>

<< punches Leh-nerd because…reasons >>

 

 

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’m no warmonger, but it seems clear to me that Iran was viewed as an imminent threat to the safety of…the world.  I say this not because  bombs were dropped, but because the international community seems quite fixated on Iran not developing nuclear weapons.  Yes, it was possible to sit back, wait another year, or two, or five, or to allow Iran to develop their weapons program.  At the risk of repeating an earlier point, the reality is we don’t know what intelligence analysis revealed and at some point, hold your nose and trust, or hold your nose and criticize, each of which leaves us in the same place.  I understand your perspective and guess we’ll have to see.

 

Off the top of my head….Costa Rica.  Argentina. Dominican Republic. Columbia.  Guyana. 

 

“Imminent” = on the order of days or weeks or months, not a year or longer. There has been ZERO evidence suggesting the danger was imminent. Trump and Netanyahu opted out of diplomacy way too soon for, I believe, reasons that I’ve already articulated. You’re presenting a fork-in-the-road situation as if both choices are of approximately equal caliber in rationale. What happened to the Leh-nerd who is uber-skeptical of government power, the establishment, the deep state, and what not?? You seem to be suspending a lot of your innate distrust when it comes to this particular dilemma.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Aside from being Russian - this is how you know everything he just said is complete bull ***t

 

 

 

 

That should also confirm an anti American anti Trump bot writes his posts.  

Well, he's the former Russian president, so...

 

Is he any less truthful than Trump? 

[JDHillFan]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

It was too depressing to write this last night, after we got off air, so I went to bed.

But, it needs to be said by more Democrats: this was not an impeachable offense,

and Trump did not need congressional approval for one precision attack under

the circumstances, just as Obama did not when striking Bin Laden.

 

Why can’t our Party just say it’s great we achieved the objective and destroyed

Iran’s nuclear sites, god bless the soldiers who carried this out and made it home safely,

god bless our country, military, allies, and we look forward to a full intel briefing. .

 

If one must then assert Congressional authority at the moment, add that any

escalation will require congressional approval.

 

And if you must, express concern for where this may go and what might come next.

But, for so many in my Party to knee jerk with unhinged calls for impeachment -

and sadly omit in their statement support for Iran not having nuclear weapons,

which has been a principle of our Party for 40 years -is truly TDS.

 

 

 

 

The esteemed barrister that goes by the handle ChiGoose, has already declared the action blatantly unconstitutional. Turrentine is, therefore, wrong. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

The esteemed barrister that goes by the handle ChiGoose, has already declared the action blatantly unconstitutional. Turrentine is, therefore, wrong. 

If this gets messier Trump, for his own good, should ask Congress for at least authorization for military activity. If he goes it alone, this potential mess will be all his. 

 

Iran does have the potential to put the squeeze on him by threatening the flow of oil, if they are smart enough to push that button Trump's life gets way more uncomfortable  

[TH3]

47 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

If this is true, we will never ever hear it from this administration. 
 

Im not sure how this can be confirmed - or what Drunken Pete says can be confirmed - until they either continue building a bomb (and from the rights on here, they are a country of dimwits, so unlikely) or they don’t. 

You can’t bomb knowledge…they know how to make a nuke and that’s still there

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

Hegseth might be the most unqualified person in any government position - and that’s saying a lot with the current admiration (Weestlemania queen calling AI “A1” over and over as the secretary of education might beat him out by a nose, but I digress).
 

But I’ll say picking nits over his choice of “our boys” (a commonly used phrase throughout military history) is why dems are seen as weak at times. 
 

 

 

 

I agree with this and it's frustrating that Dem leadership sticks with this line instead of focusing on Trump's lie about no new wars. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[4th&long]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

That's just horse *****. If you bomb a country you are at war with them. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Two tweets on Hormuz, saying different things

 

 

 

[muppy]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

useless drivel. which is so much like what you usually post is.

 

another one bites the ignore list dust.SMH

 

you're Not better than any random troll mate. I see you

[stevestojan]

For those choosing to not call a clear act of war “war,” what would you call it if any country attacked NYC tomorrow with dozens of massive bombs? F.uck Iran for sure (just so some dimwits don’t spin my first sentence as some insane support of them) but if the roles were reversed, you wouldn’t consider it war because….. reasons?