UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?

[AverageAllensSuspensor]

2 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

hey!!!  Long time no see, friend.  Hope you can stay a while!

Huh? Well. Hi! I will. Got nothing better to do while enjoying my short european working hours and long holidays!

[Roundybout]

We can tell from Vance’s smug douchebag comment about “dumb presidents” that Trump thought he could walk right in and “art of the deal” this thing. You can’t just post on Twitter and expect the wars to stop. 

[Gregg]

[Mikie2times]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Keep us  (and the U.S. government)  posted Mike

 

 

Because the guy desperate to call his actions spectacular on everything from taking a #2 to bombing a middle eastern country would only ever give it you you straight and his intelligence community is certain those assets were not removed prior and are completely destroyed?  They're desperate to appear like they had 100% success because if they didn't this was a big nothing. MAGAs have directly said they don't trust any "news" but somehow you're eating up the "we destroyed all nuclear capability" as if it is irrefutable. Rising to new standards each day friends.   

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Albwan said:

 Imagine being such a dick you root against your own country.

lol. There has to be better places to live amirite? Wouldn't going 

somewhere else be better than bitching about ghosts every single 

day of your life? (especially when your forum is a football fan site??)

Imagine living in a country where people can disagree and shouldn't have to leave if they do so. Let me know if a place like that exists anymore. 

[BillsFanNC]

#doucheswede has TDS thoughts.

 

I'm positive that I'm missing some fresh new takes!

 

😂

[Mikie2times]

Trump Tells Netanyahu he will negotiate with Iran, to wait 60 days and if he doesn't get anywhere, then he can proceed. 

 

Trumps own intelligence agency tells him Iran is no closer to a bomb

 

Despite no evidence that Iran was closer to a bomb, Netanyahu finally attacks Iran (under the pretenses that a bomb was "imminent" and with the approval of Trumps based on his failed negotiations). 

 

Israel kills a bunch of Iranian military leaders and strikes at nuclear facilities. 

 

Trump joins Netanyahu hoping a direct strike on Nuclear facilities will appease Israel. He simultaneously provides a path for Khamenei to retain leadership in Iran.

 

Since it is entirely possible Iranians removed nuclear research and enrichment materials prior to the srike, we really can' t be sure if Iran has completely removed nuclear capability. But we say they have. Which again is an impossible statement to make, but who cares. 

 

So in summary, Trumps failed negotiations empowered Netanyahu to start a conflict under pretenses that were not agreed upon by the intelligence community. Which then pulled the US into this conflict. Now we should celebrate Trump for getting both sides to stop? 

 

Did I miss anything?

[Bray Wyatt]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Trump Tells Netanyahu he will negotiate with Iran, to wait 60 days and if he doesn't get anywhere, then he can proceed. 

 

Trumps own intelligence agency tells him Iran is no closer to a bomb

 

Despite no evidence that Iran was closer to a bomb, Netanyahu finally attacks Iran (under the pretenses that a bomb was "imminent" and with the approval of Trumps based on his failed negotiations). 

 

Israel kills a bunch of Iranian military leaders and strikes at nuclear facilities. 

 

Trump joins Netanyahu hoping a direct strike on Nuclear facilities will appease Israel. He simultaneously provides a path for Khamenei to retain leadership in Iran.

 

Since it is entirely possible Iranians removed nuclear research and enrichment materials prior to the srike, we really can' t be sure if Iran has completely removed nuclear capability. But we say they have. Which again is an impossible statement to make, but who cares. 

 

So in summary, Trumps failed negotiations empowered Netanyahu to start a conflict under pretenses that were not agreed upon by the intelligence community. Which then pulled the US into this conflict. Now we should celebrate Trump for getting both sides to stop? 

 

Did I miss anything?

 

This post has a lot of supposition to reach a conclusion you pre-determined imo

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

This post has a lot of supposition to reach a conclusion you pre-determined imo

What part isn't verifiable by Trump himself? 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Trump Tells Netanyahu he will negotiate with Iran, to wait 60 days and if he doesn't get anywhere, then he can proceed. 

 

Trumps own intelligence agency tells him Iran is no closer to a bomb

 

Despite no evidence that Iran was closer to a bomb, Netanyahu finally attacks Iran (under the pretenses that a bomb was "imminent" and with the approval of Trumps based on his failed negotiations). 

 

Israel kills a bunch of Iranian military leaders and strikes at nuclear facilities. 

 

Trump joins Netanyahu hoping a direct strike on Nuclear facilities will appease Israel. He simultaneously provides a path for Khamenei to retain leadership in Iran.

 

Since it is entirely possible Iranians removed nuclear research and enrichment materials prior to the srike, we really can' t be sure if Iran has completely removed nuclear capability. But we say they have. Which again is an impossible statement to make, but who cares. 

 

So in summary, Trumps failed negotiations empowered Netanyahu to start a conflict under pretenses that were not agreed upon by the intelligence community. Which then pulled the US into this conflict. Now we should celebrate Trump for getting both sides to stop? 

 

Did I miss anything?

Maybe they removed the enriched Uranium and maybe they didn't. Same goes for the equipment. But even if they did their only option currently is to store it away until some future time when they have rebuilt a facility to enrich it further. Unless anyone believes they have a Plan B secret back-up enrichment facility.

 

Without access to the actual and true intelligence assessments, my suspicion is the story they were days or weeks away from having the fuel for a series of nuclear weapons is equivalent to the Bush era Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) excuse to invade Iraq. Which removed Saddam from power and as a consequence eliminated Iran's natural enemy and the force in the region keeping them in check. After that the Clerics were free to operate. If ever there was an example of mind your own business and the abysmal record of Washington's nation building and regime change operations this might be it. In a word, our government, regardless of which party is in power is bad at it. Maybe Libya was worse? They should stick to raising our taxes and wasting our money. They do that very well.

Edited 7 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills

[sherpa]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Trump Tells Netanyahu he will negotiate with Iran, to wait 60 days and if he doesn't get anywhere, then he can proceed. 

 

 

Did I miss anything?

 

No.

 

Just 45 years of evidence.

Of course there's the Embassy seizure with 444 days of hostages, Beirut Marine Barracks, Kobar Towers, providing Iraq and Afghan insurgencies with IED's that killed and maimed over a thousand US troops.

Destroying any gov in Lebanon while launching attacks from Syria and using it as a conduit to funnel weapons to attack Israel.

Funding, training and supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis to kill Israelis and disrupt an well as sink unarmed commercial shipping.

 

 Pursuing a nuclear weapon against the backdrop of claiming intent to eradicate Israel and The US.

 

What an amazing failure that this or any other president has not been able to negotiate with them. 

[Mikie2times]

 

 

1 minute ago, sherpa said:

 

No.

 

Just 45 years of evidence.

Of course there's the Embassy seizure with 444 days of hostages, Beirut Marine Barracks, Kobar Towers, providing Iraq and Afghan insurgencies with IED's that killed and maimed over a thousand US troops.

Destroying any gov in Lebanon while launching attacks from Syria and using it as a conduit to funnel weapons to attack Israel.

Funding, training and supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis to kill Israelis and disrupt an well as sink unarmed commercial shipping.

 

 Pursuing a nuclear weapon against the backdrop of claiming intent to eradicate Israel and The US.

 

What an amazing failure that this or any other president has not been able to negotiate with them. 

Evidence of what? They were trying to build a bomb. Nobody would dispute that. Why did Isreal choose not to attack until now? What is different right now (hint, it's not progress with a nuclear weapon). 

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

If admitting that Trump did something right is more painful to you than a potential nuclear strike, then you might have TDS.

He wasn't a critical component in why this even started?

 

Israel was not going to attack Iran without US knowledge and agreement. Trump gave that agreement in the form of his 60 day deadline to Iran. It's not some huge coincidence they attacked Iran day 61. It's pretty clear that was part of the Trump and Netanyahu agreement. Give me 60 days to negotiate and if it doesn't work out you can proceed. It take absolutely zero leaps of logic or thought to see how that played out. So why again didn't it play out this way with Grandpa Joe? Probably because he wasn't dumb enough to give Netanyahu a green light if he couldn't negotiate an agreement. We just let one foreign country attack another under false pretenses. Joined that countries bidding and now here we are.

 

Why are we celebrating again?

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

54 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

Did I miss anything?

You forgot that Trump pulled us out of the Iranian nuclear deal to begin with. There were inspectors in place during the treaty 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

   For your profile.

 

[Bray Wyatt]

 

2020

Alleged Israeli attacks against Iran's nuclear program stepped up significantly after the disintegration of the 2015 nuclear deal meant to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

July: A mysterious explosion tears apart a centrifuge production plant at Iran's Natanz nuclear enrichment facility. Iran blames the attack on Israel.

November: A top Iranian military nuclear scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, is killed by a remote-controlled machine gun while travelling in a car outside Tehran. A top Iranian security official accuses Israel of using electronic devices to remotely kill the scientist, who founded Iran's military nuclear programme in the 2000s.

 

2021

April 11: An attack targets Iran's underground nuclear facility in Natanz. Iran blames Israel, which does not claim responsibility, but Israeli media widely reports that the government orchestrated a cyberattack that caused a blackout at the facility.

April 16: Iran begins enriching uranium up to 60, its highest purity ever and a technical step from weapons-grade levels of 90 per cent.

 

2022

June: Iran accuses Israel of poisoning two nuclear scientists in different cities within three days of each other, though the circumstances remain unclear.

 

2023

On October 7, 2023, Hamas militants from the Gaza Strip stormed into Israel, killing 1200 people and taking 250 hostage, beginning the most intense war between Israel and Hamas. Iran, which has armed Hamas, offers support to the militants.

 

2024

Feb 14: An Israeli sabotage attack led to multiple explosions on an Iranian natural gas pipeline running from Iran's western Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province to cities on the Caspian Sea.

April 1: An Israeli airstrike demolished Iran's Consulate in Damascus, Syria, killing 16 people, including two Iranian generals.

April 14: Iran launched an unprecedented missile and drone attack on Israel, firing over 300 missiles and attack drones in response to the Israeli airstrike in Damascus. Working with a US-led international coalition, Israel intercepts much of the incoming fire.

April 19: A suspected Israeli strike hit an air defence system near an airport in Isfahan, Iran.

July 31: Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated by an apparent Israeli airstrike during a visit to Tehran. Israel had pledged to kill Haniyeh and other Hamas leaders over the Oct 7 attack.

Sept 27: Israeli airstrike killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. Formed by Iranian Revolutionary Guard members who went to Lebanon in 1982 to fight invading Israeli forces, Hezbollah was the first group that Iran backed and used as a way to export its brand of political Islam.

Oct 1: Iran launched its second direct attack on Israel, though a US-led coalition and Israel shot down most of the missiles.

Oct 16: Israel killed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in the Gaza Strip.

Oct 26: Israel openly attacks Iran for the first time, striking air defence systems and sites associated with its missile programme.

 

 

All during Biden's term. So to say Israel is only attacking Iran now because Trump is in power seems misplaced

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

   For your profile.

 

What did I say that you would disagree with?

Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

 

2020

Alleged Israeli attacks against Iran's nuclear program stepped up significantly after the disintegration of the 2015 nuclear deal meant to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

July: A mysterious explosion tears apart a centrifuge production plant at Iran's Natanz nuclear enrichment facility. Iran blames the attack on Israel.

November: A top Iranian military nuclear scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, is killed by a remote-controlled machine gun while travelling in a car outside Tehran. A top Iranian security official accuses Israel of using electronic devices to remotely kill the scientist, who founded Iran's military nuclear programme in the 2000s.

 

2021

April 11: An attack targets Iran's underground nuclear facility in Natanz. Iran blames Israel, which does not claim responsibility, but Israeli media widely reports that the government orchestrated a cyberattack that caused a blackout at the facility.

April 16: Iran begins enriching uranium up to 60, its highest purity ever and a technical step from weapons-grade levels of 90 per cent.

 

2022

June: Iran accuses Israel of poisoning two nuclear scientists in different cities within three days of each other, though the circumstances remain unclear.

 

2023

On October 7, 2023, Hamas militants from the Gaza Strip stormed into Israel, killing 1200 people and taking 250 hostage, beginning the most intense war between Israel and Hamas. Iran, which has armed Hamas, offers support to the militants.

 

2024

Feb 14: An Israeli sabotage attack led to multiple explosions on an Iranian natural gas pipeline running from Iran's western Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province to cities on the Caspian Sea.

April 1: An Israeli airstrike demolished Iran's Consulate in Damascus, Syria, killing 16 people, including two Iranian generals.

April 14: Iran launched an unprecedented missile and drone attack on Israel, firing over 300 missiles and attack drones in response to the Israeli airstrike in Damascus. Working with a US-led international coalition, Israel intercepts much of the incoming fire.

April 19: A suspected Israeli strike hit an air defence system near an airport in Isfahan, Iran.

July 31: Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated by an apparent Israeli airstrike during a visit to Tehran. Israel had pledged to kill Haniyeh and other Hamas leaders over the Oct 7 attack.

Sept 27: Israeli airstrike killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. Formed by Iranian Revolutionary Guard members who went to Lebanon in 1982 to fight invading Israeli forces, Hezbollah was the first group that Iran backed and used as a way to export its brand of political Islam.

Oct 1: Iran launched its second direct attack on Israel, though a US-led coalition and Israel shot down most of the missiles.

Oct 16: Israel killed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in the Gaza Strip.

Oct 26: Israel openly attacks Iran for the first time, striking air defence systems and sites associated with its missile programme.

 

 

All during Biden's term. So to say Israel is only attacking Iran now because Trump is in power seems misplaced

In this direct of way? No it doesn't. Nothing you posted here involves a direct military effort against Iran as we saw the last two weeks. 

[Bray Wyatt]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

What did I say that you would disagree with?

In this direct of way? No it doesn't. Nothing you posted here involves a direct military effort against Iran as we saw the last two weeks. 

 

If you look at the timeline it would seem that things began escalating towards this inevitability prior to Trump. Notice the ramp up of actions in 2024  

Also the last post in 2024: Oct 26: Israel openly attacks Iran for the first time, striking air defence systems and sites associated with its missile programme.

Edited 6 hours ago by Bray Wyatt

[Mikie2times]

12 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

If you look at the timeline it would seem that things began escalating towards this inevitability prior to Trump. Notice the ramp up of actions in 2024  

Also the last post in 2024: Oct 26: Israel openly attacks Iran for the first time, striking air defence systems and sites associated with its missile programme.

Things started escalating when the conflict between Palestine and Israel started.  Which has been going on for longer than either of us have been alive. When do you expect Israel to not have issues or conflict in the region? It's a Jewish state in the center of the most radical Muslims in the world. A holy war will always be going on. Did we just help sponsor Israel in that fight under false pretenses? We absolutely did. Now I get we want say all that we accomplished in doing so. But here is the reality. A liberal and free Iran still doesn't exist. Khomeini is still in power. His succession plan is still in place. All the actors that lead to this exact place are still there and in all likelihood an Iranian nuclear program will keep going. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Bray Wyatt]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Things started escalating when the conflict between Palestine and Israel started.  

 

We are going back to the end of WW2 now? Or did you mean even the late 19th century?

 

And I am sure you understand that the circumstances ebb and flow and not everything is at a max conflict state.  For if not, then your entire premise is flawed and it is not Trumps fault for certain and it would date back to the original conflict point.

 

If you agree that things ebb and flow, this particular curve started prior to Trumps term which I believe has been shown. So why didnt this happen under Joe? The answer is it started under him, so it did.