Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 8 Posted November 8 10 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: So you are just complaining that Trump’s didn't fix this fiasco that Obama dumped on the country? he's had ample opportunity. He's repeatedly promised an alternative and has yet to provide a plan.
Tenhigh Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: he's had ample opportunity. He's repeatedly promised an alternative and has yet to provide a plan. I agree. Obamacate has clearly failed and now Trump needs to step in and do something that doesnt just dump the cost onto taxpayers. Time for him to put his money where his mouth is.
Homelander Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: he's had ample opportunity. He's repeatedly promised an alternative and has yet to provide a plan. He nailed the tax cuts - twice. Everything else? Too complicated for him. 1
Tenhigh Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, Homelander said: He nailed the tax cuts - twice. Everything else? Too complicated for him. Where do you think those Obamacare subsidies came from?
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 9 Posted November 9 3 hours ago, Homelander said: Liberals are funny as they always say any policy they disagree with results in people dying. Their solution is always to throw more and more taxpayer money up to infinity until more of what isn't working actually works which won't happen. My liberal brother told me this. I
Homelander Posted November 9 Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Liberals are funny as they always say any policy they disagree with results in people dying. Their solution is always to throw more and more taxpayer money up to infinity until more of what isn't working actually works which won't happen. My liberal brother told me this. I Funny how wanting people not to die is seen as some radical liberal stance. Maybe we just value human life differently. Pro-life, right?
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 9 Posted November 9 10 hours ago, Homelander said: Funny how wanting people not to die is seen as some radical liberal stance. Maybe we just value human life differently. Pro-life, right? So you wanting people not to die magically allows everyone to live forever? Sadly around 50,000 Americans die each day regardless of how much money is spent. I would prefer a metric like improving the quality of life. The current system isn't doing that very effectively. So something other than more spending is necessary. A reform and realignment of the system is due. We need ideas beyond more taxpayer provided spending. 1 1
Tenhigh Posted November 9 Posted November 9 14 hours ago, Homelander said: Trumpcare doesn't exist. Obamacare does though, and its not working without massive federal subsidies.
B-Man Posted November 16 Posted November 16 Obamacare was never meant to succeed. It was meant to fail in such a way that the only solution was a government-run universal healthcare system. This was pretty clear about that 15 years ago. Obamacare Is A Disaster, Just As Expected Just over 15 years ago, when the Democrat-controlled House and the Democrat-controlled Senate were debating the healthcare proposals offered by the Democrat president, nearly everyone on the political right was unified in opposition. It may well have been the last time the right was united on anything, but it was indeed unified and resolute. “The facts,” the Heritage analysts noted, “are in.” The ACA dramatically increased health insurance premiums and cost-sharing in the individual market…. The ACA collapsed insurer competition in the nation’s individual markets…. The ACA failed to meet official enrollment targets in the individual markets…. The ACA is pricing middle-class Americans out of individual market coverage…. The ACA expanded government coverage while wrecking the private individual health insurance market…. The ACA compromised access to care for persons—including those with preexisting medical conditions—enrolled in the nation’s individual markets…. The ACA failed—and failed miserably—to attract young people into the exchange insurance pools…. The ACA Medicaid expansion prioritizes able-bodied adults, many of whom are working, over the elderly, the disabled, and poor women and children…. The ACA did not, as predicted, “bend the curve” of America’s healthcare spending…. The ACA’s vaunted delivery reforms did not yield the anticipated savings. Everything Republicans warned would happen did happen. And the Democrats’ response was to offer a massive “temporary” increase in subsidies to help paper over the failures. Again, every sentient person in the country insisted that doing so would be a disaster, that the subsidies would only increase costs, and that they would not be temporary. The Democrats didn’t listen, however. They didn’t listen in 2009 and 2010 when Congress initially debated and then passed Obamacare—without a single Republican vote in either house. They didn’t listen in 2020, when they insisted they needed expanded subsidies to address the financial hardships created by COVID-19. They didn’t listen in 2023, when they extended the COVID-era subsidies as part of the inaptly named Inflation Reduction Act, at a cost of $64 billion. And they’re still not listening now. Indeed, they just engineered the longest shutdown in American government history because they have no intention of ever listening or ever admitting that perhaps the right was absolutely spot-on in its predictions about Obamacare. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/obamacare-disaster-just-expected . 2
TH3 Posted November 16 Posted November 16 (edited) 27 minutes ago, B-Man said: Obamacare was never meant to succeed. It was meant to fail in such a way that the only solution was a government-run universal healthcare system. This was pretty clear about that 15 years ago. Obamacare Is A Disaster, Just As Expected Just over 15 years ago, when the Democrat-controlled House and the Democrat-controlled Senate were debating the healthcare proposals offered by the Democrat president, nearly everyone on the political right was unified in opposition. It may well have been the last time the right was united on anything, but it was indeed unified and resolute. “The facts,” the Heritage analysts noted, “are in.” The ACA dramatically increased health insurance premiums and cost-sharing in the individual market…. The ACA collapsed insurer competition in the nation’s individual markets…. The ACA failed to meet official enrollment targets in the individual markets…. The ACA is pricing middle-class Americans out of individual market coverage…. The ACA expanded government coverage while wrecking the private individual health insurance market…. The ACA compromised access to care for persons—including those with preexisting medical conditions—enrolled in the nation’s individual markets…. The ACA failed—and failed miserably—to attract young people into the exchange insurance pools…. The ACA Medicaid expansion prioritizes able-bodied adults, many of whom are working, over the elderly, the disabled, and poor women and children…. The ACA did not, as predicted, “bend the curve” of America’s healthcare spending…. The ACA’s vaunted delivery reforms did not yield the anticipated savings. Everything Republicans warned would happen did happen. And the Democrats’ response was to offer a massive “temporary” increase in subsidies to help paper over the failures. Again, every sentient person in the country insisted that doing so would be a disaster, that the subsidies would only increase costs, and that they would not be temporary. The Democrats didn’t listen, however. They didn’t listen in 2009 and 2010 when Congress initially debated and then passed Obamacare—without a single Republican vote in either house. They didn’t listen in 2020, when they insisted they needed expanded subsidies to address the financial hardships created by COVID-19. They didn’t listen in 2023, when they extended the COVID-era subsidies as part of the inaptly named Inflation Reduction Act, at a cost of $64 billion. And they’re still not listening now. Indeed, they just engineered the longest shutdown in American government history because they have no intention of ever listening or ever admitting that perhaps the right was absolutely spot-on in its predictions about Obamacare. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/obamacare-disaster-just-expected . Stop complaining about Obama. DT has had 4 years of total control of the govt to to better and had nothing As well. GOP has had decades to develop something and nothing Edited November 16 by TH3
B-Man Posted November 16 Posted November 16 17 minutes ago, TH3 said: Stop complaining about Obama. DT has had 4 years of total control of the govt to to better and had nothing As well. GOP has had decades to develop something and nothing Wow. what an empty response.
TH3 Posted November 17 Posted November 17 19 hours ago, B-Man said: Wow. what an empty response. Yours? Yup ….pretty much the gop answer to hc…
Andy1 Posted November 18 Posted November 18 The Republicans don’t care about health care for Americans. If they did, they would offer a better alternative. Their plan is get your own insurance at market price. If you can’t afford it, it’s your problem and it sucks to be you. 1 1
B-Man Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Good thing I was sitting down when I read this 'surprising' news. It Sure Looks Like Obamacare is Rife with Fraud John Sexton The new Washington Post editorial board continues to be a surprise. I suspect they have posted more right-leaning material in the past 3 months than was published in the paper during Biden's entire term in office. In any case, today the Post makes the case that Obamacare subsidies, the coming expiration of which was the stated reason Democrats shut down the government, should not be extended. Why? Because there is lots of evidence suggesting the program is rife with fraud. On party-line votes in 2021 and 2022, Democrats invoked the pandemic emergency to temporarily expand eligibility for Obamacare insurance subsidies. Preserving these credits, which are due to expire at the end of the year, would cost $350 billion over the next decade. Democratic leaders are trying to keep the subsidies intact without reforms to address abuse that has grown rampant in the system. A report issued last week by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office underscores why that should be a nonstarter. The report they're referring to was published by the General Accounting Office (GAO). It's titled "Preliminary Results from Ongoing Review Suggest Fraud Risks in the Advance Premium Tax Credit Persist." What GAO staff did was create 20 fake identities and then apply for coverage as if they were real people. More at: https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2025/12/09/it-sure-looks-like-obamacare-is-rife-with-fraud-n3809688 .
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