Gabe Davis released

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

You know what's coming?

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

IMO, this will be determined by how much Josh would like him back 

If I recall, Gabe did not want to leave and the Bills did not want him to either....but the $$$ was too far apart

 

Gabe absolutely wanted out.  He was phased out of the offense in the second half of 2023.  He had 14 receptions in the last 8 games.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Gabe Davis was a failure as a WR2 in Buffalo and a disaster as WR2 in Jacksonville.

 

Bad hands, a route tree that got figured out quickly once they handed him the job, a propensity for mental errors that resulted in a ton of interceptions and critical incompletions in key moments after he became the starter.   Wrong way Gabe.

 

On top of that Gabe Davis finished his career in Buffalo injured and left Jacksonville injured.   You act like he's healthy in his prime and hasn't put two straight years of sh!t on tape.  

 

If it's hard for you to understand you haven't thought it thru.

 

What they need are WR1 and WR2 types.    

 

They failed to get that done but in lieu of that the logical thing to do was to draft someone on day 2 or early day 3 to develop on a 4 year rookie contract so they don't have to keep overspending for Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer types in perpetuity.

 

I don't need to "think it thru"...you just missed the point. The point was its pretty clear the 2025 WR room > 2023 WR room.  And the irony is that some of the people saying its not are the same people who want Davis as a WR5 who was then a WR2.  

 

Does that mean the WR room is where everyone wants it to be...no...but its pretty clear to say it hasn't improved the past 2 years isn't really a fair statement.  Especially when the WR2 then is just a bench guy here now (if we even brought him back).  And lets be real, Samuel/Moore >>>> Sherfield/Harty too and I am sure you would agree with that as well.  

 

[Doc Brown]

37 minutes ago, SCBills said:

3) Moore provides a trait we need in the currently constructed WR room.  Davis does not.

What trait is that?

[Doc Brown]

28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Does that mean the WR room is where everyone wants it to be...no...but its pretty clear to say it hasn't improved the past 2 years isn't really a fair statement.  Especially when the WR2 then is just a bench guy here now (if we even brought him back).  And lets be real, Samuel/Moore >>>> Sherfield/Harty too and I am sure you would agree with that as well.  

Can you grasp the concept that Davis should've never been a WR2 to begin with?  You're also ignoring the impact that a true #1 WR like Diggs was when evaluating a WR depth chart.

[BADOLBILZ]

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't need to "think it thru"...you just missed the point. The point was its pretty clear the 2025 WR room > 2023 WR room.  And the irony is that some of the people saying its not are the same people who want Davis as a WR5 who was then a WR2.  

 

Does that mean the WR room is where everyone wants it to be...no...but its pretty clear to say it hasn't improved the past 2 years isn't really a fair statement.  Especially when the WR2 then is just a bench guy here now (if we even brought him back).  And lets be real, Samuel/Moore >>>> Sherfield/Harty too and I am sure you would agree with that as well.  

 

 

 

Pretty clear?   It's hindsight versus hope.  

 

We can look at 2023 in hindsight.   2025 we can only go off what we've seen recently from these guys.

 

Which ain't much by comparison to that group at this time in 2023.

 

There isn't anyone in the 2025 room who is expected to be even remotely as good as Diggs was at this time in 2023 coming off a monster season.   Or even Davis who had fallen short of the Pro Bowl expectations put on him by guys like Emmanuel Sanders but was still coming off 836 with 7 TD's and over 17 yards per catch!

 

TSW WR room apologists were all jacked up that Shakir was going to be the next Stefon Diggs.   And because Sherfield was told by his WR coach in SF that he was better than Brandon Aiyuk.   And that Harty was going turn his 500 yard 15.8 yard per catch 2021 into a monster season,  like just a fluke injury in 2022 had held him back.

 

I mean all that hype turned into a load of horsesh!t.   Every one of the vets fell short of their expected performance and Shakir was just a bit part with some unexpected dropsies.   There is no guarantee this group will be any better so claiming a W versus a group that projected much higher at the time than this group is reaching.   

  

[Mikie2times]

 

Does anybody on the list above stand out as not belonging in that list or do they all feel about the same?

 

 

When you add Gabe Davis to it, does it still feel about the same?

 

I feel like the value of these players is very similar and ranking them is more preference. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mikie2times

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Does anybody on the list above stand out as not belonging in that list or do they all feel about the same?

 

 

When you add Gabe Davis to it, does it still feel about the same? These are the same WR's. Ranking them is preference IMO. 

 

 

You have way more faith in Elijah Moore than I do if that's your preference.  Emmanuel Sanders is the only one that really stands out.

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You have way more faith in Elijah Moore than I do if that's your preference.  Emmanuel Sanders is the only one that really stands out.

No preference at all. I just clumped a lot of guys together that seemed pretty similar from my view. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mikie2times

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

No preference at all. I just clumped a lot of guys together that seemed pretty similar from my view. 

Misread.  Gabe was a decent #4 as Allen's passer rating targeting him was 100.1 and 103.8 before we moved on from Brown and Sanders.  He didn't have any significant injuries during those years either if I remember correctly.

 

When given the snaps that a WR2 typically gets though he dropped down to 80.8 in 2022 and 84.7 in 2023.  Same thing with the Jags before his injury but even worse with a lesser QB (61.5).  Brown's last year here as WR2 had a 110.9 passer rating when targeted and Sanders had a 99.7.

 

I'd pry rather have him than Moore as WR5 but my preference would be Coleman, Shakir, Palmer, and Samuel seeing the majority of the snaps.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Gabe would be a really nice addition if used in a rotation at WR.   I think he's an immediate perfect fit as a vertical option and blocker 

I like the idea of 4 wide sets with Moore & Gabe being used downfield.  Palmer and Shakir can eat up underneath 

Coleman, watch from the sideline. 

 

Samuel, we'll talk when/if he makes it through camp without turf toe 

Edited 1 hour ago by Warriorspikes51

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

It all depends on their usage.

 

I don’t think anyone foresaw Mack seeing the most snaps at WR last preseason. 
 

Could the Bills have a 4WR package with Davis/Palmer split wide and Coleman/Shakir inside? They could, but that won’t be anywhere close to their base package.

Ditto for their 11 personnel, but Coleman in the slot over Shakir.

 

There are ways to get creative with it, but my personal thoughts are that despite signing Palmer and having Coleman, I could see a world where Gabe is signed and plays 40-50% of the snaps on the boundary, even if he doesn’t get 40-50% of the targets. 
 

Over the course of the season, I imagine the top 3 WR’s in targets will be Shakir, Coleman and Palmer, but it also wouldn’t surprise me to see Gabe have games with more targets than Palmer, either.

 

When looking at last year, I get that, and see where you are coming from in term of how many snaps Mack got.  The one thing though that stands out to me, is if they wanted to run that same type of rotation again this year, they could have just kept Mack for cheap where Palmer would be more replacing the Ghost of Cooper's snaps.  But despite being a favorite of the coaches, locker room, and even fans they elected to let Mack go to a division rival despite his low cost.  

 

IMHO, that to me suggests more they don't want to split the rotation so much and don't need a dirty work specialist as much because guys like Keon and Shakir are pretty good in their own right at it.  I think their preference now based on their moves is to get their better guys more targets and more involved. 

 

Again, all for bringing him back, only talking what I think is more likely to be his role if they did, and whether or not he would take that say over another place where he has more potential opportunity for more snaps/targets.  

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Can you grasp the concept that Davis should've never been a WR2 to begin with?  You're also ignoring the impact that a true #1 WR like Diggs was when evaluating a WR depth chart.

 

What?  That is LITERALLY the point of how the WR room is BETTER now than when we had a guy who had no business being a WR2 starting as a WR2.  How is this confusing for you?  Not to mention, our WR4 and WR5 were journeyman backups in Sherfield and Harty where now we have Samuel and Moore, 2 guys who have done more and could compete to start still on other teams.

 

So yeah...2025 WR room has 5 players on it that could start on other teams.  2023 team had 2 and Davis, who you said should never be a starting WR2. 

 

So how is the 2025 WR room not better than the 2023 group?  

[BuffaloDave55]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

When looking at last year, I get that, and see where you are coming from in term of how many snaps Mack got.  The one thing though that stands out to me, is if they wanted to run that same type of rotation again this year, they could have just kept Mack for cheap where Palmer would be more replacing the Ghost of Cooper's snaps.  But despite being a favorite of the coaches, locker room, and even fans they elected to let Mack go to a division rival despite his low cost.  

 

IMHO, that to me suggests more they don't want to split the rotation so much and don't need a dirty work specialist as much because guys like Keon and Shakir are pretty good in their own right at it.  I think their preference now based on their moves is to get their better guys more targets and more involved. 

 

Again, all for bringing him back, only talking what I think is more likely to be his role if they did, and whether or not he would take that say over another place where he has more potential opportunity for more snaps/targets.  

 

Mack for the cheap?  New England overpaid him.  Palmer will stretch field which is highly needed.

[Mikie2times]

Meanwhile, at the Nance residents 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Pretty clear?   It's hindsight versus hope.  

 

That is what happens when you are having a discussion in an offseason heading into a season.  Kind of the point of convo right? 

 

And its not all hope, we know enough about our guys returning and the ones coming in to get a reasonable picture of what they are capable of and which group has more perceived ability and overall talent across the whole room. 

 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

We can look at 2023 in hindsight.   2025 we can only go off what we've seen recently from these guys.

 

Which ain't much by comparison to that group at this time in 2023.

 

There isn't anyone in the 2025 room who is expected to be even remotely as good as Diggs was at this time in 2023 coming off a monster season.   Or even Davis who had fallen short of the Pro Bowl expectations put on him by guys like Emmanuel Sanders but was still coming off 836 with 7 TD's and over 17 yards per catch!

 

How about we stay on topic...discussing the guys who actually played in 2023 (not Emmanuel Sanders and not 2022 Diggs).  

 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

TSW WR room apologists were all jacked up that Shakir was going to be the next Stefon Diggs.   And because Sherfield was told by his WR coach in SF that he was better than Brandon Aiyuk.   And that Harty was going turn his 500 yard 15.8 yard per catch 2021 into a monster season,  like just a fluke injury in 2022 had held him back.

 

Can you just have a rational conversation ever without exaggeration and sensationalism?  No one was saying Shakir was the next Diggs so stop.  And we are talking about what WR room was better...the one that played in 2023 and the one we are set to play with in 2025.  Bringing up what hope people had for Sherfield and Harty has nothing to do with the end known quantity of the 2023 group and comparing that to the 2025 group.

 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I mean all that hype turned into a load of horsesh!t.  

 

Every one of the vets fell short of their expected performance and Shakir was just a bit part with some unexpected dropsies.   There is no guarantee this group will be any better so claiming a W versus a group that projected much higher at the time than this group is reaching.   

  

 

So let me sum this up:  You trashed everyone not named Diggs in 2023 in Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, and Harty...both now and all of 2023.  And you know full well Sherfield and Harty couldn't even make this roster right now.  And you said Davis is terrible and a failure as a WR2, so he couldn't even get his old job back here, if they even would bring him in, would be at best a WR4/5 today here.  

 

But somehow all that hate, all those scrubs as you called them...you still want to spend all this time to argue that the 2025 room isn't better?  3 of the 5 guys from 2023 couldn't get their rosters spots back from this group, and 2 of them would have no chance to even make the roster. 

 

Its all subjective...this group hasn't been on the field yet.  But for me personally, there is 0% chance I would choose the 2023 WR room over the 2025 WR right now.  A declining Diggs who didn't fit this offensive style here was NOT enough to carry that group and elevate that group above what I believe this group to believe.  I like our chances to win a SB a lot more with this offense than that offense.  

Edited 2 minutes ago by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

36 minutes ago, BuffaloDave55 said:

Mack for the cheap?  New England overpaid him.  Palmer will stretch field which is highly needed.

 

He would be the lowest paid WR on the Bills if we signed him for what NE paid him.  That is cheap, even if you think that is an over pay by NE...the actual cost of the contract is cheap and one we could have easily paid if they wanted to keep him.  

[RoscoeParrish]

39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What?  That is LITERALLY the point of how the WR room is BETTER now than when we had a guy who had no business being a WR2 starting as a WR2.  How is this confusing for you?  Not to mention, our WR4 and WR5 were journeyman backups in Sherfield and Harty where now we have Samuel and Moore, 2 guys who have done more and could compete to start still on other teams.

 

So yeah...2025 WR room has 5 players on it that could start on other teams.  2023 team had 2 and Davis, who you said should never be a starting WR2. 

 

So how is the 2025 WR room not better than the 2023 group?  

We don’t know if Palmer has any business starting as WR2 or if Coleman does either at this point.

 

this group hasn’t played and we have new additions.

 

you would always take the new group that hasn’t played over the old group that has.

 

Its like saying “who would you pick to win the Super Bowl, the 2023 Bills or the 2025 Bills?”

 

We already know the result of one outcome.

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