More defense on Saturday, please, to finish the job, and take the final step

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

He lost to the following

 

Bears team that went 15-3

49ers team that went 14-3 

Seahawks team that went 14-3 and one that went 8-9

Vikings team that went 14-3

Rams team that went 15-3

Vikings team that went 11-6

Tampa Team that went 13-5 

 

In nearly every game he was up against a team with a better record. What makes you think the outcome would have been different for McD? With exception of the Baltimore games his playoff wins are against Wild Card level teams. He has never beat anybody with the records of the games Payton lost. 

 

 

 

Payton lost to the 7-9 Seahawks....first team ever to make the playoffs with a losing record in 2011.

Payton was the first coach to lose in the 1st round of the NFL playoffs after winning 13 games in 2020.  

Saints were the first NFL team that lost 6 straight playoff games by 1 score.

Payton lost to QB's like Case Keenum, Matt Hasselbeck, Collin Kapernick and Kirk Cousins in the playoffs.

Payton missed the playoffs 6 or 7 times with Drew Brees and all of his offensive talent.....

 

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Payton lost to the 7-9 Seahawks....first team ever to make the playoffs with a losing record in 2011.

Payton was the first coach to lose in the 1st round of the NFL playoffs after winning 13 games in 2020.  

Saints were the first NFL team that lost 6 straight playoff games by 1 score.

Payton lost to QB's like Case Keenum, Matt Hasselbeck, Collin Kapernick and Kirk Cousins in the playoffs.

Payton missed the playoffs 6 or 7 times with Drew Brees and all of his offensive talent.....

 

And he was above .500 in the playoffs with the Saints 9-8, Super Bowl win, and has beaten a team that has won 13 games in the playoffs before. All things our guy is either worse at or has never accomplished. I'm not part of the Payton fan club, but crapping on him while throwing praise at our guy is a bit humorous.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

And he was above .500 in the playoffs with the Saints 9-8, Super Bowl win, and has beaten a team that has won 13 games in the playoffs before. All things our guy is either worse at or has never accomplished. I'm not part of the Payton fan club, but crapping on him while throwing praise at our guy is a bit humorous.  

 

So you're just cherry picking 3 things.

 

McDermott never lost to a team with a losing record in the playoffs.

McDermott hasn't lost 6 straight playoff games by one score.

McDermott has missed the playoffs once in his career and it was Allen's rookie year.  Payton missed the playoffs 6 times with Drew Brees and had a 3 consecutive non-playoff seasons at one point.  

 

 

All things that Payton is worse than McDermott.

[Mikie2times]

59 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So you're just cherry picking 3 things.

 

McDermott never lost to a team with a losing record in the playoffs.

McDermott hasn't lost 6 straight playoff games by one score.

McDermott has missed the playoffs once in his career and it was Allen's rookie year.  Payton missed the playoffs 6 times with Drew Brees and had a 3 consecutive non-playoff seasons at one point.  

 

 

All things that Payton is worse than McDermott.

I'm cherry picking and you're doing what exactly?

 

I asked a simple question, who would you pick with a top 5 team and one year to win the Super Bowl. Payton or McD? It's a landslide, don't even have to think about it for me. I don't care if Marty makes the playoffs a lot. I'm not picking Marty and I'm not picking Marty's brother either. Payton has at least shown big game stones, like calling for an onside kick in the Super Bowl. If you would take McD over Payton for that journey be my guest, nothing left to discuss AND EVERYBODY is cherry picking what they want to justify whatever opinion they have. THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS LITERALLY THAT. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

I'm cherry picking and you're doing what exactly?

 

I asked a simple question, who would you pick with a top 5 team and one year to win the Super Bowl. Payton or McD? It's a landslide, don't even have to think about it for me. I don't care if Marty makes the playoffs a lot. I'm not picking Marty and I'm not picking Marty's brother either. Payton has at least shown big game stones, like calling for an onside kick in the Super Bowl. If you would take McD over Payton for that journey be my guest, nothing left to discuss AND EVERYBODY is cherry picking what they want to justify whatever opinion they have. THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS LITERALLY THAT. 

 

LOL...I was just showing you what you're doing.

 

The thing is, you're looking at this in a vacuum.  

 

What juggernaut NFC team did Payton have to battle every year?  A team that has done what the Chiefs have done.  

Patrick Mahomes has played in now 7 AFC Championships and 5 Super Bowls in his 8 years as starting QB.  No one has ever had this type of run before and this is the team that has knocked us out 4 times.  

If we played in the NFC or if the Chiefs were in the NFC, Bills would have had Super Bowl appearances.  But it's not the case because KC is in our conference and a hill we haven't overcome.  What NFC juggernaut in Payton's time kept him from more Super Bowls?  

McDermott's hill is much harder to climb than Payton's ever was.  All the best QB's are in the AFC (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jackson)....that's a gauntlet.  That's what makes what Mahomes has done even more impressive.  

There was I believe 13-14 different starting QB's representing the NFC Super Bowl during Payton's run in New Orleans.  It was a wide open NFC and he missed the playoffs 7 times in that stretch.

[Mikie2times]

27 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL...I was just showing you what you're doing.

 

The thing is, you're looking at this in a vacuum.  

 

What juggernaut NFC team did Payton have to battle every year?  A team that has done what the Chiefs have done.  

Patrick Mahomes has played in now 7 AFC Championships and 5 Super Bowls in his 8 years as starting QB.  No one has ever had this type of run before and this is the team that has knocked us out 4 times.  

If we played in the NFC or if the Chiefs were in the NFC, Bills would have had Super Bowl appearances.  But it's not the case because KC is in our conference and a hill we haven't overcome.  What NFC juggernaut in Payton's time kept him from more Super Bowls?  

McDermott's hill is much harder to climb than Payton's ever was.  All the best QB's are in the AFC (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jackson)....that's a gauntlet.  That's what makes what Mahomes has done even more impressive.  

There was I believe 13-14 different starting QB's representing the NFC Super Bowl during Payton's run in New Orleans.  It was a wide open NFC and he missed the playoffs 7 times in that stretch.

I suppose the AFC east has had no impact on us at all. Everybody else is the benefactor, Buffalo is eternally disadvantaged with injuries, competition, and  circumstances. Oh the pains of this vacuum I'm living in. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I suppose the AFC east has had no impact on us at all. Everybody else is the benefactor, Buffalo is eternally disadvantaged with injuries, competition, and  circumstances. Oh the pains of this vacuum I'm living in. 

 

I mean if you want to go down the dramatic teen route to try to make a point....

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

And he was above .500 in the playoffs with the Saints 9-8, Super Bowl win, and has beaten a team that has won 13 games in the playoffs before. All things our guy is either worse at or has never accomplished. I'm not part of the Payton fan club, but crapping on him while throwing praise at our guy is a bit humorous.  

Right. We are talking about a guy who has had Josh Allen as his QB for 7 years now and has not even made 1 SB appearance.  Without Josh Allen Mcd and Beane wouldn't be in Buffalo, Big baller beane has drafted 1 elite player in 7 years, Josh Allen

Edited 1 hour ago by Gunsgoodtime

[Simon]

39 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Big baller beane has drafted 1 elite player in 7 years, Josh Allen

 

Spencer Brown

Christian Benford

Greg Rousseau

James Cook

Ed Oliver

Terrel Bernard

With the jury still out on Torrence, Kincaid and another 2-3 from the most recent class

 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Spencer Brown

Christian Benford

Greg Rousseau

James Cook

Ed Oliver

Terrel Bernard

With the jury still out on Torrence, Kincaid and another 2-3 from the most recent class

 

Spencer Brown is a Pro Bowl player, Benford is Pro Bowl player, and Cook is a Pro Bowl player. None of the 3 are at an all pro level. Brown is the most likely to get there. No way in hell Oliver, Rousseau, or Bernard are part of that conversation at this point. Your response is sort of the point of his post.

 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Spencer Brown is a Pro Bowl player, Benford is Pro Bowl player, and Cook is a Pro Bowl player. None of the 3 are at an all pro level. Brown is the most likely to get there. No way in hell Oliver, Rousseau, or Bernard are part of that conversation at this point. Your response is sort of the point of his post.

 

 

They are all elite players on the field regardless of the popularity contests you prefer to rely on.

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

They are all elite players on the field regardless of the popularity contest you prefer to rely on.

Oh give me a break. Says who? Bernard has had one really good year. Oliver has had how many postseasons to change a game and failed to do so? Benford just broke out along with Cook. Groot just got abused in his last playoff game and has a career best 8 sacks in a season. Are they really "elite" or more like top 15 guys?

 

These players have never been voted on the All Pro team. Zero top 100's. So is this back to the poor disenfranchised Buffalo players not getting respect? It gets old. They aren't elite, that's why they don't get elite respect. I know that is a stunning conclusion. 

Edited 55 minutes ago by Mikie2times

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Spencer Brown

Christian Benford

Greg Rousseau

James Cook

Ed Oliver

Terrel Bernard

With the jury still out on Torrence, Kincaid and another 2-3 from the most recent class

 

0 Elite players