LeviF Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Then give them healthcare to make sure they’re immunized 👍 Or just catapult them back over the border. Or don’t let them in to begin with. But if they benefitted America at all they wouldn’t be allowed to come in to begin with. The decline is the point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, LeviF said: Or just catapult them back over the border. Or don’t let them in to begin with. But if they benefitted America at all they wouldn’t be allowed to come in to begin with. The decline is the point. Would you have kicked out Trump's wives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, LeviF said: Or just catapult them back over the border. Or don’t let them in to begin with. But if they benefitted America at all they wouldn’t be allowed to come in to begin with. The decline is the point. It’s very sad that you think migrants seeking a better life contributes to the “decline” of a country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 26 minutes ago, Roundybout said: It’s very sad that you think migrants seeking a better life contributes to the “decline” of a country. It is even sadder that you can't name one thing all the undocumented people have down to benefit the country but still run out an ignorant platitude. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 29 minutes ago, Roundybout said: It’s very sad that you think migrants seeking a better life contributes to the “decline” of a country. What makes life better here than in their country of origin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, LeviF said: What makes life better here than in their country of origin? Free housing, food, cash? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 40 minutes ago, Roundybout said: It’s very sad that you think migrants seeking a better life contributes to the “decline” of a country. I can "seek a better life" by trying to rob someone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: One day you'll dribble out an argument besides this. One day. Yes, I sit around all day plotting an elaborate scheme where migrants with measles will obliterate America. Soros pays me biweekly. One day will be able to look at things rational, without living in candyland. One day. 44 minutes ago, Roundybout said: It’s very sad that you think migrants seeking a better life contributes to the “decline” of a country. The overload of people does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 34 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: It is even sadder that you can't name one thing all the undocumented people have down to benefit the country but still run out an ignorant platitude. Countries across the globe are experiencing a birth rate crisis, and we are going to be no exception. If we want to compete with China and India, we need immigration to fill jobs. The current immigration system is a completely broken joke. I welcome migrants seeking a better life in a country with inclusive economic institutions, no cartel violence, no AMLO, and so forth. 22 minutes ago, Doc said: I can "seek a better life" by trying to rob someone... I’m sure you could, Doc. 34 minutes ago, LeviF said: What makes life better here than in their country of origin? The American Dream lives on, whether you like it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 24 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Countries across the globe are experiencing a birth rate crisis, and we are going to be no exception. If we want to compete with China and India, we need immigration to fill jobs. The current immigration system is a completely broken joke. I welcome migrants seeking a better life in a country with inclusive economic institutions, no cartel violence, no AMLO, and so forth. So your belief is that everyone is equal, regardless of education, work ethic, or criminal intent? Got it. If you don't believe that you really need to look at how you express yourself. Also the proper way to address your point is to encourage Americans to have kids through tax incentives, not spend the money on illegals. If you believe birth rate is an actual issue your solution is the most illogical, expensive and bureaucratic way to solve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, Orlando Tim said: So your belief is that everyone is equal, regardless of education, work ethic, or criminal intent? Got it. If you don't believe that you really need to look at how you express yourself. Also the proper way to address your point is to encourage Americans to have kids through tax incentives, not spend the money on illegals. If you believe birth rate is an actual issue your solution is the most illogical, expensive and bureaucratic way to solve it I don't believe in egalitarianism, if that's what you're asking. I believe in equal opportunity and that America is one of the best places for it. I like John Rawls' philosophy on this. I am all for tax incentives such as the enhanced Child Tax Credit that Republicans viciously oppose. Yes, birth rate declining is going to be a significant issue over the next few decades as older workers retire with no one to replace them. https://www.unfpa.org/swp2023/too-few#:~:text=Worldwide%2C fertility has fallen from,births per woman by 2050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: It’s very sad that you think migrants seeking a better life contributes to the “decline” of a country. Based on your previous logic he would be fine with the millions pouring in illegally if only they weren’t brown, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 56 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I’m sure you could, Doc. I can see it now: "Criminal avoids jail time for trying to steal $1M because "he was just trying to seek a better life.'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I don't believe in egalitarianism, if that's what you're asking. I believe in equal opportunity and that America is one of the best places for it. I like John Rawls' philosophy on this. I am all for tax incentives such as the enhanced Child Tax Credit that Republicans viciously oppose. Yes, birth rate declining is going to be a significant issue over the next few decades as older workers retire with no one to replace them. https://www.unfpa.org/swp2023/too-few#:~:text=Worldwide%2C fertility has fallen from,births per woman by 2050. Nothing you are discussing is all related to where our world is today, the impact of an over abundance of low education people on our population. The jobs these people could fill based on skills and education are not the ones we have to worry about filling. The jobs they can't do are the ones we need to get people from other countries for but we stop them and let in the wrong ones. Not one of these jobs will be filled by 99% of the people coming here illegally 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Nothing you are discussing is all related to where our world is today, the impact of an over abundance of low education people on our population. The jobs these people could fill based on skills and education are not the ones we have to worry about filling. The jobs they can't do are the ones we need to get people from other countries for but we stop them and let in the wrong ones. Not one of these jobs will be filled by 99% of the people coming here illegally If anything, they'll see how much better things are here even on public assistance and be content with that. Why work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: The American Dream lives on, whether you like it or not. You offer a lot of leftist platitudes and all the nonsense that comes with it but no actual substance. Who is the American dream for? What is “America?” Your answer to the first question seem to indicate that your answer to the second isn’t anywhere close to an actual nation. Which is why your opinion should be cast aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, LeviF said: You offer a lot of leftist platitudes and all the nonsense that comes with it but no actual substance. Who is the American dream for? What is “America?” Your answer to the first question seem to indicate that your answer to the second isn’t anywhere close to an actual nation. Which is why your opinion should be cast aside. The Statue of Liberty doesn't have any fine print... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I am very much in favor of increasing legal immigration into this country by triple it's current rate. I am also in favor of securing our borders. Why can't we have both? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: I am very much in favor of increasing legal immigration into this country by triple it's current rate. I am also in favor of securing our borders. Why can't we have both? Trump told us it can wait until January 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, LeviF said: You offer a lot of leftist platitudes and all the nonsense that comes with it but no actual substance. Who is the American dream for? What is “America?” Your answer to the first question seem to indicate that your answer to the second isn’t anywhere close to an actual nation. Which is why your opinion should be cast aside. The American Dream is for anyone who wishes to be an American citizen. Simple. You obviously hate this, and therefore you are an enemy of American idealism. Been reading Marx lately? 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Based on your previous logic he would be fine with the millions pouring in illegally if only they weren’t brown, correct? You said it, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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