AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'm beginning to believe Billsy. You are really a stealth trumper. you support virtually all of his policies and act as apologist for his lies... Military dominance and economic dominance are joined at the hip. If you don't understand that, then there is no hope for you. not that there was ever much.... Sure bud, I'm done here. I'll let everyone else take you to the woodshed. Hope I'm able to think outside the box when I get old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'm beginning to believe Billsy. You are really a stealth trumper. you support virtually all of his policies and act as apologist for his lies... Just for awareness, I have zero interest or concern regarding what you believe about me. Absolutely no interest or concern. Haley is infinitely better at expressing the issues re NATO/UN etc. I can't stand the guy, and that goes back to 1989. I think there are far more diplomatic methods with far more efficacy than what Trump is doing, but it plays to his base, so he does it. I find it revolting, but his view on NATO is not lost on people who know a bit about the nuts and bolts of military capability with likely scenarios. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: I find it revolting, but his view on NATO is not lost on people who know a bit about the nuts and bolts of military capability with likely scenarios. His views are lost on you if you buy his gaslighting act. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 22 minutes ago, sherpa said: Just for awareness, I have zero interest or concern regarding what you believe about me. Absolutely no interest or concern. Haley is infinitely better at expressing the issues re NATO/UN etc. I can't stand the guy, and that goes back to 1989. I think there are far more diplomatic methods with far more efficacy than what Trump is doing, but it plays to his base, so he does it. I find it revolting, but his view on NATO is not lost on people who know a bit about the nuts and bolts of military capability with likely scenarios. rest assured, the feelings are mutual. His views on NATO compliment his views on the military...that service and especially imprisonment and death for the sake of the country is for idiots. Given that belief, it's hardly surprising that he thinks spending US money on NATO is a waste. btw, if NATO is so unsuccessful as currently run, why is Putin so against it? Why all the fighting to stop more nations from joining? The answer is that it is and will continue to be an effective alliance that worries Russia greatly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 38 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: China has fallen back due to covid. Has nothing to do with nato, foh. You are the Partisan hack Trumpy says what? lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trumpy says what? lolz pretty sure he was one of the posters saying covid was a big hoax and that our inflation is due to an over reaction to it. yet now, the world's second largest economy fell prey to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: pretty sure he was one of the posters saying covid was a big hoax and that our inflation is due to an over reaction to it. yet now, the world's second largest economy fell prey to it. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillStime said: 100% can't decide if they're shameless, clueless or both. shameless for sure.... Edited February 14 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Manipulating NATO members to fund more into NATO actually strengthens NATO. 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: I see your guys game, lol. You guys do this all the time. Endorse each others lies just to get a reaction from people. You got me this time, good on ya. They cycle is not kind to their narrative so they hyperventilate on the only false trump narrative left in the script. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 19 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: pretty sure he was one of the posters saying covid was a big hoax and that our inflation is due to an over reaction to it. yet now, the world's second largest economy fell prey to it. You and billsy enjoy your talking points! Two pees in a pod. Grown men broken because of Trump, its sad really. Covid a hoax, no, did we overreact? Absolutely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 17 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Manipulating NATO members to fund more into NATO actually strengthens NATO. They cycle is not kind to their narrative so they hyperventilate on the only false trump narrative left in the script. false trump narrative? Nikki Haley thinks the NATO comment was pretty real and worrisome. She's condemned it, no doubt to Sherpa's disgust. Oh and there are plenty of other "narratives": rape, tax fraud, illegal documents, hush money, witness tampering and, oh yeah, Jan 6... 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You and billsy enjoy your talking points! Two pees in a pod. Grown men broken because of Trump, its sad really. Covid a hoax, no, did we overreact? Absolutely. so I guess China under reacted since it broke their economy.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 23 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Manipulating NATO members to fund more into NATO actually strengthens NATO. Will you just admit that was Conald’s second choice so he smeared our allies instead? You guys are disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Germany now spends 2 percent of gdp. Just as many NATO nations are working towards. A 180 from the lefts narrative when the orange dude was in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 16 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Germany now spends 2 percent of gdp. Just as many NATO nations are working towards. A 180 from the lefts narrative when the orange dude was in office. no, previous presidents, both D and R have pushed for higher European funding from some NATO nations. No one else ever said they'd let Russia do what it wants to a NATO member not meeting the threshold. That undermines the entire meaning of an alliance not to mention the specific details of the NATO alliance.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Given that belief, it's hardly surprising that he thinks spending US money on NATO is a waste. btw, if NATO is so unsuccessful as currently run, why is Putin so against it? I don't answer for Trump or Putin. What I am familiar with, and from open source material, is the state of NATO at the date of Russia's invasion. Specifically, the gross disregard of NATO military agreements from Germany, Canada and a few others. All that aside, the funny thing about this site is that the reality of the issue is never discussed. Instead, people seem to think it's US politics that are the cornerstone. If you hate Trump, forget about NATO parties not living up to responsibilities, and the resultant commitment of disproportionate US money and potentially, lives. It's the way Trump packages it, and if anyone points those issues out, they must support Trump. Not true at all. The issue is not addressed. The political figures are. The sickening repetition never ends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: But now Putin has Trump. Very different Then why invade under Barry and Joke when he could have taken Ukraine without a fight under Trump? Besides the stupid NATO talking point, that is. 31 minutes ago, sherpa said: I don't answer for Trump or Putin. What I am familiar with, and from open source material, is the state of NATO at the date of Russia's invasion. Specifically, the gross disregard of NATO military agreements from Germany, Canada and a few others. All that aside, the funny thing about this site is that the reality of the issue is never discussed. Instead, people seem to think it's US politics that are the cornerstone. If you hate Trump, forget about NATO parties not living up to responsibilities, and the resultant commitment of disproportionate US money and potentially, lives. It's the way Trump packages it, and if anyone points those issues out, they must support Trump. Not true at all. The issue is not addressed. The political figures are. The sickening repetition never ends. They have no rebuttal for the "Trump is telling them to pony-up their fair share" now that they've seen a clip of Barry saying the same thing. So now it's "he's lying about them not paying enough." Clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 29 minutes ago, sherpa said: I don't answer for Trump or Putin. What I am familiar with, and from open source material, is the state of NATO at the date of Russia's invasion. Specifically, the gross disregard of NATO military agreements from Germany, Canada and a few others. All that aside, the funny thing about this site is that the reality of the issue is never discussed. Instead, people seem to think it's US politics that are the cornerstone. If you hate Trump, forget about NATO parties not living up to responsibilities, and the resultant commitment of disproportionate US money and potentially, lives. It's the way Trump packages it, and if anyone points those issues out, they must support Trump. Not true at all. The issue is not addressed. The political figures are. The sickening repetition never ends. Who is forgetting that some countries aren't meeting the 2% guideline? The biggest jump in NATO funding came after Russia invaded Crimea. It's been increasing ever since. Sure, we would like the Europeans and Canada to pay more. Threatening countries with a Russian invasion isn't the way to achieve this and plays right into Putins hand. NATO is a threat to him. A fact that trump either doesn't understand or does comprehend and sides with Putin. It IS about US politics. Staffers in trump's last administration reported he wanted out of NATO. He is the R party now, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Then why invade under Barry and Joke when he could have taken Ukraine without a fight under Trump? Besides the stupid NATO talking point, that is. He's probably wishing he had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: He's probably wishing he had Sure. You install a man/men on the inside and then don't take advantage of it. Makes perfect sense. Then again, maybe he did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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