Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I’m still extremely annoyed with Beane for giving Knox a considerable contract extension and then drafting his replacement a year later. Not half as annoyed as I was about miller that was a DUMB move, straight up stupid. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Greg Thompsett from Cover 1 did a breakdown about how getting back over the cap is easy, getting enough to be a bidder in FA is hard. It is using a cap number higher than current estimates, but the released money is accurate. No Brainers - Cap Saved Restructure Josh - $23M Restructure Diggs - $13M (his words not mine) Restructure Ed - $3M Release Hines - $5M Release Harty - $4M Total - $48M Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER. Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings Extend Dawkins - $7M Extend Douglas - $6M Extend Johnson - $5M Release Siran Neal - $3M Release Sam Martin - $1M Restructure McGovern - $3M With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER Fairburn at the Athletic says if we cut Diggs after June 1st we'd save $20 million in 2024 but get hit for $20 million in dead cap in 2025. That might be worth it. I agree with Neal. Cutting Martin doesn't move the needle for me. You can accomplish twice as much by dumping Gilliam. McGovern is young and did a solid job. Might as well extend him for 2 more years and lower his cap cost that way. Same goes for Douglas, especially if they move on from White. I'm not sure about Thompsett's restructuring amounts, but it's good to know it's possible to get under a cap and add some flexibility. To add more cheaper talent, I'd love to see Beane trade out of the first and get more draft capital. Buffalo currently has the 28th, 60th, 99th & 128th picks in the first 4 rounds. I'd like to see Beane trade out of the 1st rd and pick up at extra draft capital. For example, the Bills could trade our 28th pick to GB for their 1st 2nd rd pick (41), their 3rd (89 or 93), and a 4th rd pick (126). GB has 2 2nds, 2 3rds, and 2 4ths to play with. If the Bills made such a deal they'd have 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5th, 3 6ths and a 7th. I would like a higher 2nd than 41 to get the WR we need, my example is just to show what's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanislebills44 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 hahah. no amount of cat calling would make any sane man retire with that paycheque sitting there i do think miller comes back alot better...pre injury level, no, but 7-8-9 sacks potentially... allen n knox do have some chemistry, kincaid tho needs a bigger piece of the pie next year... diggs looks disinterested 2 me, not being forcefed passes now with shakir, kincaid n a run game, n it must've played with his psyche...trip with rodgers down 2 south america may b in the cards no doubt a wide receiver 1st or 2nd round is mandatory..bernard milano should b a top lber duo in the league, jones should b resigned, corner looks good, draft a safety, 1 more offseason 4 rousseau should help(is only 23)...some pieces r there... get allen some weapons n that offence with the newfound run game could b deadly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: There are FOUR major issues heading into the offseason that need addressing immediately, if not sooner: Von Miller. They HAVE to find some way to convince him to retire outright, he's done. Damn it beane, that contract is an albatross. Dawson Knox. He's wildly overpaid. Again, Pay cut or potential cut. Tre White. Waste of a roster spot at this point. Sucks, but that's reality in the NFL. His career in buffalo is over. Stefon Diggs. Has lost his quickness, and now he can't catch any more, either. He's done. These four contracts are like lead shoes, and we're in a swimming pool. Gotta get creative and find a way to clear out this mess. Wish Beane luck. Of course my dream scenario is out there with Chicago, but that'll never happen. Ideally, I'd like to see us trade out of round one, for multiple twos and threes and start restocking. As long as Damar Hamlin has a roster spot, I’ll be happy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Diggs: no reason to project him as anything other than a very good (maybe not elite) receiver next year. Big contract, probably in the years in which salary exceeds production, but hardly a big problem (if he behaves himself) Von: a reasonable projection is that he will have some value, although way, way below his salary. My personal guess (I won't keep you waiting for the TFR Edition): he will be good, a semblance of his former greatness, but still a good player. Off he goes after 2024. Poyer/Hyde: I think Hyde is done. I think Poyer still has value although, actually probably roughly in line or even exceeding his salary ($5.5 million). I see no compelling reason to let him go. $2 million dead cap hit. Morse: had a healthy season. I kind of doubt that will happen again. $8.5 million salary, $3 million dead cap. Retirement would trigger the dead cap hit if I'm not mistaken. But who plays Center? Tre: I see no way he's back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I’m with you 100%. The salaries for Von and Tre are hurting us more than benefiting. They’re 2 massive deals. Diggs is no way done. He just seems to be a fire that’s burning from a smaller ember the more we end up missing out on the big dance. Knox is tricky. I like the guy and this he can be a serviceable TE just not at that salary. Maybe trade him with a team who’s in the market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Just now, BBFL said: Diggs is no way done. He just seems to be a fire that’s burning from a smaller ember the more we end up missing out on the big dance. That guy makes the ONE play we need him to, this conversation likely doesn't happen. The ball hits you in the hands, you HAVE to catch it. Unfortunately, the big talker hasn't done much of that lately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Time-honored tradition here Only reason I clicked on the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: That guy makes the ONE play we need him to, this conversation likely doesn't happen. The ball hits you in the hands, you HAVE to catch it. Unfortunately, the big talker hasn't done much of that lately I’m with you bro, he’s been a let down. I’ve questioned his play several times this season… However… That, at least to me, doesn't mean he’s done. After another disappointing end to the season, he might be done with Buffalo subconsciously. Make no mistake though, he can still play. Maybe we all hope with less talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said: This is the major problem with this team. Far too much cap space devoted to players that contribute at a level far below their cap number would warrant. Now that the QB contract has really kicked in, you can't get away without cap efficiency. Bills are the opposite of cap-efficient. This is really difficult to overcome. This is precisely why I am pro going very conservative in 2024. Any major restructure to clear space is just destroying our cap efficiency. Outside of discontent it is my biggest reason for me advocating moving on from Diggs for the extra $3M pre June 2024 rather than 2025. My one quibble on this is moving on from Knox. It doesn't really provide any relief or any value. I think he could maybe be prime for an extension after 24/25 to lower his cap hit with a lesser value. Dawson will have to decide if he still wants to be apart of this for the future as a secondary TE option on passing downs or does he want to take more money to be a primary elsewhere. I think he stays. EDIT: Speak of the devil. I just found this from Knox after the game. Edited January 22 by Mango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Just now, BBFL said: Make no mistake though, he can still play. Do we know this for sure? We're paying him like he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Mango said: This is precisely why I am pro going very conservative in 2024. Any major restructure to clear space is just destroying our cap efficiency. Outside of discontent it is my biggest reason for me advocating moving on from Diggs for the extra $3M pre June 2024 rather than 2025. My one quibble on this is moving on from Knox. It doesn't really provide any relief or any value. I think he could maybe be prime for an extension after 24/25 to lower his cap hit with a lesser value. Dawson will have to decide if he still wants to be apart of this for the future as a secondary TE option on passing downs or does he want to take more money to be a primary elsewhere. I think he stays. A trimming the fat, tightening their Belts 2024 (possibly even a down year) might be the best path to future success in 2025 and beyond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said: This is the major problem with this team. Far too much cap space devoted to players that contribute at a level far below their cap number would warrant. Now that the QB contract has really kicked in, you can't get away without cap efficiency. Bills are the opposite of cap-efficient. This is really difficult to overcome. I think this is why we see teams making the hard decision to let guys go when they become too expensive. Even if the guy is a monster, it's a huge gamble considering the injury risk in football. Your $20M a year player isn't worth anything if he's rehabbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Do we know this for sure? We're paying him like he can. 107-1183-8 is production for a guy who’s done? Come on brother… 😂 I’ll give you “done” in terms of the mental aspect in believing he can win it here… I can’t give you “done” at the position after that stat line on a season… Whatever works for you I guess? By that standard we better start looking at options to replace Diggs, Davis, Harty, Sherfield and Knox who can compliment Josh with Cook/2Pac/King Cade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Just now, BBFL said: 107-1183-8 is production for a guy who’s done? Come on brother… 😂 I’ll give you “done” in terms of the mental aspect in believing he can win it here… I can’t give you “done” at the position after that stat line on a season… Whatever works for you I guess? By that standard we better start looking at options to replace Diggs, Davis, Harty, Sherfield and Knox who can compliment Josh with Cook/2Pac/King Cade. Look at the splits pre-week 10 and post He fell off a cliff mid-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Look at the splits pre-week 10 and post He fell off a cliff mid-season. There’s an issue there, we just don’t know what. The drop off in his production was the same last year, not as bad but present, until the finals third of the year… Maybe we treat the WRs like the DLine and rotate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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