warrior9 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Obviously yesterday's game was dominated by the Bills but Miami is still a very good football team with a ton of talent. They're going to win a lot of games this year and will keep pace with us for the division. They're clearly the closest team to us for the foreseeable future within the division (Rodgers may have a year but that will be short lived) so I went to Spotrac to see what their cap situation looks like for next year ..... and it's not good. Their top 5-6 players are all WAY over paid, uncuttable, and most of them aren't performing (outside of Hill). Hill- 31M - 52 dead cap Jalen Ramsey- 27M - 32.5 Dead Cap- WAAYY past his prime and coming off an injury. Chubb- 27M- 42 Dead cap- Has been an AWFUL trade / signing Xavien Howard- 26M - 27 dead cap - Hasn't been good for years Terron Armstead - 20M - 24 Dead cap - 32 and oft injured Ogbah on the hook for 17 and Jerome Baker for 14. This is without signing Tua yet, without signing Christian (the dirtbag) Wilkins, Waddle, Connor Williams etc. They have had some horrific deals and they clearly need help across the OL, at LB, and Safety. Seems like Grier has strapped this team with bad deals ... LOVE to see it. 5 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Obviously yesterday's game was dominated by the Bills but Miami is still a very good football team with a ton of talent. They're going to win a lot of games this year and will keep pace with us for the division. They're clearly the closest team to us for the foreseeable future within the division (Rodgers may have a year but that will be short lived) so I went to Spotrac to see what their cap situation looks like for next year ..... and it's not good. Their top 5-6 players are all WAY over paid, uncuttable, and most of them aren't performing (outside of Hill). Hill- 31M - 52 dead cap - Restructure and save something like 18M and this will be done as Hill is still ELITE and show no signs this would not be a safe can kick. Jalen Ramsey- 27M - 32.5 Dead Cap- WAAYY past his prime and coming off an injury. - DIdnt like this contract for them, still dont. Should not touch this contract but they will and kick the can some more with a Aging player coming off INJ Chubb- 27M- 42 Dead cap- Has been an AWFUL trade / signing - Stuck with him for at last 2024 unless could use a post June 1 cut and spread the mistake over two years of Dead money Xavien Howard- 26M - 27 dead cap - Hasn't been good for years - I bet they hang on again. and restructure this as they need cap, with only 35 players on contract and will be a mistake. Terron Armstead - 20M - 24 Dead cap - 32 and oft injured - Top end OT when healthy - and there is the problem never healthy lately smart this here is leave this contract alone. Ogbah on the hook for 17 and Jerome Baker for 14. - Both will be gone. This is without signing Tua yet, without signing Christian (the dirtbag) Wilkins, Waddle, Connor Williams etc. They have had some horrific deals and they clearly need help across the OL, at LB, and Safety. Seems like Grier has strapped this team with bad deals ... LOVE to see it. Comments in Bold 35 on contract and 22M over cap. Can make that up easy with some smart financial things. Kick Hills can down the road frees up like 16-18M Re-sign TUA can get his cap hit down to 8Mish. That would put them cap compliant. Ogbah and Baker gone and there is about 16M to sign players. Will likely need to do some more, but they are not too bad cap wise YET. Edited October 2, 2023 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Obviously yesterday's game was dominated by the Bills but Miami is still a very good football team with a ton of talent. They're going to win a lot of games this year and will keep pace with us for the division. They're clearly the closest team to us for the foreseeable future within the division (Rodgers may have a year but that will be short lived) so I went to Spotrac to see what their cap situation looks like for next year ..... and it's not good. Their top 5-6 players are all WAY over paid, uncuttable, and most of them aren't performing (outside of Hill). Hill- 31M - 52 dead cap Jalen Ramsey- 27M - 32.5 Dead Cap- WAAYY past his prime and coming off an injury. Chubb- 27M- 42 Dead cap- Has been an AWFUL trade / signing Xavien Howard- 26M - 27 dead cap - Hasn't been good for years Terron Armstead - 20M - 24 Dead cap - 32 and oft injured Ogbah on the hook for 17 and Jerome Baker for 14. This is without signing Tua yet, without signing Christian (the dirtbag) Wilkins, Waddle, Connor Williams etc. They have had some horrific deals and they clearly need help across the OL, at LB, and Safety. Seems like Grier has strapped this team with bad deals ... LOVE to see it. Yep. Tua will demand a HUGE salary because some other team will give it to him. Then you have to pay Waddle. Even Tua's 5th-year option is a huge raise in cap hit. I also expect that he might not want to play on that 5th-year option. The Fins are all in this year because the party winds down really fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, MAJBobby said: 35 on contract and 22M over cap. Can make that up easy with some smart financial things. Kick Hills can down the road frees up like 16-18M Re-sign TUA can get his cap hit down to 8Mish. That would put them cap compliant. Ogbah and Baker gone and there is about 16M to sign players. Will likely need to do some more, but they are not too bad cap wise YET. Yeah but Wilkins, Connor Williams, and Waddle also need BIG contracts. I agree, there are things they can do (as evidenced by the saints getting down 50M every year somehow) but they are close to being in trouble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, FrenchConnection said: Yep. Tua will demand a HUGE salary because some other team will give it to him. Then you have to pay Waddle. Even Tua's 5th-year option is a huge raise in cap hit. I also expect that he might not want to play on that 5th-year option. The Fins are all in this year because the party winds down really fast. He is on his 5th year next year. A re-signing even with top money lowers his immediate hit. I think Waddle will be gone and not get a second contract Just now, warrior9 said: Yeah but Wilkins, Connor Williams, and Waddle also need BIG contracts. I agree, there are things they can do (as evidenced by the saints getting down 50M every year somehow) but they are close to being in trouble. Wilkins will walk Williams NEEDS to be re-signed he handles the protections not Tua Waddle I have a big feeling doesnt see a second contract either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 The cap is just accounting, I’m sure then dolphins can figure it out. That said, they have some bad contracts on their books 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He is on his 5th year next year. A re-signing even with top money lowers his immediate hit. I think Waddle will be gone and not get a second contract Wilkins will walk Williams NEEDS to be re-signed he handles the protections not Tua Waddle I have a big feeling doesnt see a second contract either If Waddle walks, I'd be elated. He USUALLY does good work on us. Wilkins is a scumbag and if they don't prioritize Connor Williams they're going to be F--- more on the OL than they already are. OK, think about this: They let wilkins, ogbah and jerome baker walk.. they have to replace them... how do they do that? with WORSE talent? So THIS is their SB window year? 3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: The cap is just accounting, I’m sure then dolphins can figure it out. That said, they have some bad contracts on their books Dude, these are reminiscent of Whaley contracts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: The cap is just accounting, I’m sure then dolphins can figure it out. That said, they have some bad contracts on their books That Chubb contract is an Anchor. 1 minute ago, warrior9 said: If Waddle walks, I'd be elated. He USUALLY does good work on us. Wilkins is a scumbag and if they don't prioritize Connor Williams they're going to be F--- more on the OL than they already are. OK, think about this: They let wilkins, ogbah and jerome baker walk.. they have to replace them... how do they do that? with WORSE talent? So THIS is their SB window year? Dude, these are reminiscent of Whaley contracts. They did set themselves up to make the Run this year or Bust. That Entire Defense will get an overhaul as Fangio wants "HIS" players. and there are already signs of that Howard not following Diggs, Howard then coming out and allude to the "scheme" so he will do as asked. Issue is they overpayed for some really mediocre players and injury risks. And now hanging. Waddle or Hill will be gone within 2 years they are not paying two. And Fin Fans are getting tired of Waddle disappearing act in big games and availability issues, (ooo he also has alot of drops in their minds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Comments in Bold 35 on contract and 22M over cap. Can make that up easy with some smart financial things. Kick Hills can down the road frees up like 16-18M Re-sign TUA can get his cap hit down to 8Mish. That would put them cap compliant. Ogbah and Baker gone and there is about 16M to sign players. Will likely need to do some more, but they are not too bad cap wise YET. Hill claims he is dead serious about retiring after the 2025 season because he has so many other things he wants to do other than just play football in his life. Edited October 2, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: That Chubb contract is an Anchor. They did set themselves up to make the Run this year or Bust. That Entire Defense will get an overhaul as Fangio wants "HIS" players. and there are already signs of that Howard not following Diggs, Howard then coming out and allude to the "scheme" so he will do as asked. Issue is they overpayed for some really mediocre players and injury risks. And now hanging. Waddle or Hill will be gone within 2 years they are not paying two. And Fin Fans are getting tired of Waddle disappearing act in big games and availability issues, (ooo he also has alot of drops in their minds) That's basically it, yepp. Diggs has a lot of drops too. It happens, it's the NFL. When you're targets 100+ times, drops happen. If they push him out, again, I'll be elated and they deserve to be bottom dwellers. Who will be afraid of Hill, Berrios, and Smythe? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Comments in Bold 35 on contract and 22M over cap. Can make that up easy with some smart financial things. Kick Hills can down the road frees up like 16-18M Re-sign TUA can get his cap hit down to 8Mish. That would put them cap compliant. Ogbah and Baker gone and there is about 16M to sign players. Will likely need to do some more, but they are not too bad cap wise YET. I think the bigger issues you'll face are the fact that you can't kick the can for Chubb because that requires more commitment to an overpaid player. Howard you stick with for 2024 as there aren't cap savings. Armstead is already restructured, and more would commit to him even further for a 33 year old oft injured LT. You can definitely get some cap space, and they'll lock Tua up. The 2020 draft was 3 1st round picks for miami and 2 look like whiffs so they save on some 5th year options and extensions there. The problem is Hunt is a free agent from the class, as is Davis. So two good players who will get paid there by them or others. 4 of 5 starting linemen are free agents. Then in this offseason they have 2 other 5th year option decisions in waddle and phillips, plus a likely tag for wilkins. The wilkins tag will eat into a lot of the cap savings on restructures, so they'll need to extend him to have room to improve the roster for 2024. 2025 will be interesting as they likely have to then pay waddle and phillips, plus year 1 of the new deal with Tua assuming they extend him to lower the 2024 cap burden of the 5th year option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Hill claims he is dead serious about retiring after the 2025 season because he has so many other things he wants to do other than just play football in his life. Well if that is really the case the result is Hill off the roster, and no savings as Dead = Cap hit. So if that is a possibility they will really hurt themselves kicking his hit down the road, and they SHOULD NOT have done it this year either, because that COST them Waddle in the future IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: That Chubb contract is an Anchor. They did set themselves up to make the Run this year or Bust The Chubb deal never made sense to me. As a trade or an extension. He was good in 2018, then meh for 4 years. That was worthy of a 1st rounder? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Hill claims he is dead serious about retiring after the 2025 season because he has so many other things he wants to do other than just play football in his life. He said on some podcast that he wants to get into the adult industry as a "performer" after retirement. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: The Chubb deal never made sense to me. As a trade or an extension. He was good in 2018, then meh for 4 years. That was worthy of a 1st rounder? Three massive contracts that don’t fit the billing; Howard, Chubb & Ramsey (however that’s only due to the availability since the trade). Armstead you can make a case for but they need Tackle help and on a good day he’s a pretty decent option, for $20m though… ehhhh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: He said on some podcast that he wants to get into the adult industry as a "performer" after retirement. Yup, but he also wants to go into business and own teams and do other things as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Yep. Tua will demand a HUGE salary because some other team will give it to him. Then you have to pay Waddle. Even Tua's 5th-year option is a huge raise in cap hit. I also expect that he might not want to play on that 5th-year option. The Fins are all in this year because the party winds down really fast. You think he ball parks Josh’s numbers in the lower top-10? I can’t see how you can justify giving him top 3 with the injury history. However, if Daniel Jones is able to secure that much $ p/y then a case can be made for Tua as he has had far more productive games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, warrior9 said: That's basically it, yepp. Diggs has a lot of drops too. It happens, it's the NFL. When you're targets 100+ times, drops happen. If they push him out, again, I'll be elated and they deserve to be bottom dwellers. Who will be afraid of Hill, Berrios, and Smythe? LOL Berrios is a UFA next year too so they are in alot of trouble. Also used Draft capital that they could have used to fill this team with impactful rookie contracts on the Chubbs, Ramseys, and Armsteads of the world. Now they have no major talent on Rookie Deals. It looks to me like a Bills year two (under McD) stepback coming next year to be honest. It looks work than I thought. 39M over the cap 39 Players on Contract Javon Holland being really the ONLY impact player on a Rookie Deal (Achane too but that is a RB) Connor Williams (primary OG) and now showing can start at Center as well He will get 15M AAV in market. Wilkins - Smart move here is to deal him at the deadline for picks (they wont this is their window) but they will not re-sign him he wants top 5 DT money and in Fangios defense not the same player two gapping - So he will leave and they will love the 3rd compensatory as well because they will need to sign UFAs Van Ginkel - will be paid either in MIA or elswhere Fangio defense he is excelling in and will make himself alot of money this year Elliott - should be re-signed (likely will get paid elsewhere) but really the ONLY safety that fits what Fangio wants to do. To be honest the RIGHT way for MIA to fix their defense is Fire the locked in his way Fangio and hire a DC that will tailor His effective scheme to the players (maybe Salah once he is fired). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: The Chubb deal never made sense to me. As a trade or an extension. He was good in 2018, then meh for 4 years. That was worthy of a 1st rounder? Ross wants to win a SB so badly just to rub it Goodell's face for punishing him. Because of this, he's demanding high-profile moves even if they don't make sense. People remember Chubb from the draft. I mean, they were trying to get Jonathan Taylor just to make a splash when RB is a strong suit of their roster. They sign an obviously declining Jalen Ramsay. All these moves fit the mold of an owner meddling in player-personnel decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, BBFL said: You think he ball parks Josh’s numbers in the lower top-10? I can’t see how you can justify giving him top 3 with the injury history. However, if Daniel Jones is able to secure that much $ p/y then a case can be made for Tua as he has had far more productive games. QBS get paid. He will be paid like a top 5 QB. I think though he is not that he is a very good QB that needs things around him. To me that is always not a top 3 salary. I dont think he is like Josh, Mahomes, Barrow (maybe) that elevate others around him with his play. 3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Ross wants to win a SB so badly just to rub it Goodell's face for punishing him. Because of this, he's demanding high-profile moves even if they don't make sense. People remember Chubb from the draft. I mean, they were trying to get Jonathan Taylor just to make a splash when RB is a strong suit of their roster. They sign an obviously declining Jalen Ramsay. All these moves fit the mold of an owner meddling in player-personnel decisions. Yep and this is going to crush them in about 3 weeks watch. Here are their 2024 picks 1st 2nd 5th 6th 7th I bet they will use one of their 1st or 2nd to go get a CB or DL at the deadline watch. Greir knows this season is the season and will throw more assets at the deadline to get that SB chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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