leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 14 hours ago, daz28 said: I've answered your question numerous times. If you're trying to get me to waffle it's not working. WHEN YOU'RE BORN. The debate was that most people are likely against late-term abortions. The fact that only 1% are performed at over 21 weeks strongly supports that. Data varies, but suggests 1 - 1.3%, which equates to between 10,000 - 13,000 late term abortions each year, assuming the stats are accurate and that the books aren't somewhat cooked here. By contrast, 18,500 +/- murders during the same time, so relying on % may make it seem less awful, but the numbers are not insignificant. I'd agree that most sensible, sane people are against late term abortions, which simply means that reasonable people transition from "pro-choice" to "pro life" somewhere during a pregnancy. Yet, there are clearly people pushing abortion until birth, and laws that reflect that. In a normal, healthy pregnancy, at what point do you personally transition from "it's a person's right to choose" to "you have to think of the child"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Data varies, but suggests 1 - 1.3%, which equates to between 10,000 - 13,000 late term abortions each year, assuming the stats are accurate and that the books aren't somewhat cooked here. By contrast, 18,500 +/- murders during the same time, so relying on % may make it seem less awful, but the numbers are not insignificant. I'd agree that most sensible, sane people are against late term abortions, which simply means that reasonable people transition from "pro-choice" to "pro life" somewhere during a pregnancy. Yet, there are clearly people pushing abortion until birth, and laws that reflect that. In a normal, healthy pregnancy, at what point do you personally transition from "it's a person's right to choose" to "you have to think of the child"? The 1% is for ALL abortion at week 21 and past, so using the data, you'd assume as you get to 22, 23 and so on, there's likely a significant dip. I have no idea where that transition point is. I think abortion is not a good thing, but I also don't believe the state should be meddling into bodily autonomy very much if at all. I think the last time this was a big issue was assisted suicide, and I think they came up with reasonable regulations to allow people to pass on peacefully and with dignity. Of course the amount of nutters was lower then. Edited April 11 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thurmal34 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 35% They have no idea how badly they porked themselves. it's not even gonna be close. Dimmochs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I can 100% respect Mahers position. I don’t agree, but at least he’s not arguing in bad faith. You can be pro-choice for healthy elective abortions, but you can’t also have the moral high ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 9 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: 35% They have no idea how badly they porked themselves. it's not even gonna be close. Dimmochs. If the future of America rests on whether you can kill a baby after 15 weeks, we're all porked. Worse than we already have been under Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ComradeKayAdams Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/11/2024 at 11:39 AM, The Frankish Reich said: This is correct. It wouldn't be a bad idea for the Senate Dems to force a vote on repeal of the Comstock Act just to put Republicans on the record about what their true intentions are. This is such a good idea that I’m guessing Democrats have already been planning to do so immediately before their Congressional summer recess. It might be more politically strategic to have the Comstock Act become a major topic of debate leading up to the national party conventions. A few other thoughts on this topic: 1. Abortion is exposing multiple cracks in the Constitutional edifice that probably shouldn’t have been left unrepaired for this long. One of these cracks is the failure of the Bill of Rights to more explicitly protect the right to privacy. At the moment, this right has been left vague enough and piecemeal in the First, Third, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments. An all-encompassing right to privacy should specifically mention a right to “sexual” privacy, thereby preventing ridiculous state laws like 6-week abortion bans and no protections for rape cases. I realize that such an amendment won’t realistically pass for at least another generation’s time, but Democrats in the meantime can put this goal in their official party platform while stridently advocating for a federal codification of Roe v. Wade (with clarification on temporal limits, exceptions, and who adjudicates the exceptions). Another Constitutional crack in need of repair is articulation of the Supreme Court branch. It should be democratized with limits on term, limits on number, codes of conduct, and a better federal system of oversight. 2. National poll trends continue to show independent voters shifting to the pro-choice side since Dobbs (June 2022), regardless of Trump’s messaging obfuscation on how to proceed (Tenth Amendment argument vs. federal ban) or on who to blame (Jackson WHO vs. himself and his SC Justice nominations). I count six swing states: Arizona (11 EC votes), Nevada (6 EC votes), Wisconsin (10 EC votes), Michigan (15 EC votes), Pennsylvania (19 EC votes), and Georgia (16 EC votes). Everywhere else, Trump holds a narrow EC lead of 235 to Biden’s 226 (source: 270towin.com). We all know what happened in Arizona recently. We all know how badly Republicans have been underperforming polls recently in elections with abortion referendums. At this point, Trump’s only way out of this catch-22 issue will be to simply ignore and deflect, focusing 100% on Biden’s cognitive health or the mishandling of the genocide in Gaza or perhaps…oh, I don’t know…the scourge of communist Marxist atheist “trannies” illegally crossing the border so to participate in women’s sports (a.k.a. the resonating right-wing social crisis du jour)??? Eeek!!! 3. Women stuck in red states should be made aware of The Brigid Alliance, a national nonprofit organization that addresses the financial and logistical challenges of those seeking an abortion over long distances. I liken them to the Underground Railroad of the post-Dobbs era because their services are most pertinent in the South. Every Bible Belt state now has some sort of draconian abortion law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 No one outside dumb PACs want to ban that drug. It's making. It mail order and teledock that removes the safety factor of the mother. These pills can have severe side affects if used after certain gestation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 Let's go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Can Biden even read anymore? Let's go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thurmal34 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/13/2024 at 9:33 AM, Doc said: If the future of America rests on whether you can kill a baby after 15 weeks, we're all porked. Worse than we already have been under Biden. keep telling women what is best for them. lemme know how it pans out. 35% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/24/2024 at 2:15 PM, BillStime said: Roevember is coming None of the women in that photo are coming close to having a baby. Pretty sure they all invest in stock in companies that make "scissors" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, phypon said: None of the women in that photo are coming close to having a baby. Pretty sure they all invest in stock in companies that make "scissors" Hilarious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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