Tiberius Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Think you're missing my point. Completely. Let's hear it then. What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Let's hear it then. What is your point? What was the Cuban missile crisis about? The Russians crossed the line in the sand by attempting to place ICBMs in Cuba. 90 miles from US territory. Washington found this unacceptable. What is one of the Russian concerns about Ukraine and NATO? Parking strategic nuclear weapons on their border. Moscow found this unacceptable as it crosses a line in the sand they've clearly communicated. Now if your a partisan player on one side or the other you can take the stance of one party being right and the other party being wrong. You can even say that Cuba has a right to do whatever they want inside their country and the US had no justification to object just like you've stated in past posts as a justification for Kiev position and Moscow's illegitimate objections and actions. But if you view the concerns objectively and equally you need to consider both valid or both invalid. You can't pick and choose. Moscow is just doing what Washington did in the '60's and the only difference is Moscow blinked and Washington didn't. I think that's pretty much the point. Edited October 17, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 13 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: At this point we need to push much harder for negotiations of a peaceful ceasefire. Nothing good is going to come from continued war. I'm all for a ceasefire, assuming the Ukrainians are holding the whip hand going into the negotiations. Otherwise, Putin's dick is in a sausage maker and his hand is on the crank. He can stop cranking whenever he wants to. Also, did we secretly deploy actual NATO units to the war, and nobody's said anything? I'm still trying to figure out how we're fighting in this war without our military actually, you know, fighting in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: What was the Cuban missile crisis about? The Russians crossed the line in the sand by attempting to place ICBMs in Cuba. 90 miles from US territory. Washington found this unacceptable. What is one of the Russian concerns about Ukraine and NATO? Parking strategic nuclear weapons on their border. Moscow found this unacceptable as it crosses a line in the sand they've clearly communicated. Now if your a partisan player on one side or the other you can take the stance of one party being right and the other party being wrong. You can even say that Cuba has a right to do whatever they want inside their country and the US had no justification to object just like you've stated in past posts as a justification for Kiev position and Moscow's illegitimate objections and actions. But if you view the concerns objectively and equally you need to consider both valid or both invalid. You can't pick and choose. Moscow is just doing what Washington did in the '60's and the only difference is Moscow blinked and Washington didn't. I think that's pretty much the point. So you don't agree with all the democratic countries seeing this as protecting one of their own, correct? That makes no sense to you protecting a fellow democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 Putin, Xi and the Saudis know what they are doing. Keep inflation high and snuff out the democratic nations one at a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Putin, Xi and the Saudis know what they are doing. Keep inflation high and snuff out the democratic nations one at a time No link, no quote? Who is Heath Mayo? A vote for Democrats is a vote for killing puppies!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Putin, Xi and the Saudis know what they are doing. Keep inflation high and snuff out the democratic nations one at a time Another Lie. McCarthy said no such thing. McCarthy Warns GOP May Cut Back Ukraine Aid If Party Wins House https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/mccarthy-warns-gop-may-cut-back-ukraine-aid-if-party-wins-house McCarthy: No 'blank check' for Ukraine if GOP wins majority https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mccarthy-no-blank-check-ukraine-201152336.html “I think people are gonna be sitting in a recession and they’re not going to write a blank check to Ukraine," McCarthy told Punchbowl News. “They just won’t do it. … It’s not a free blank check.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: Another Lie. McCarthy said no such thing. McCarthy Warns GOP May Cut Back Ukraine Aid If Party Wins House https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/mccarthy-warns-gop-may-cut-back-ukraine-aid-if-party-wins-house McCarthy: No 'blank check' for Ukraine if GOP wins majority https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mccarthy-no-blank-check-ukraine-201152336.html “I think people are gonna be sitting in a recession and they’re not going to write a blank check to Ukraine," McCarthy told Punchbowl News. “They just won’t do it. … It’s not a free blank check.” Will MTG be sitting right next to him saying (again) "Putin just wants to be our friend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 Republicans have already indicated what they would do if they control one of both houses of Congress after the midterm elections. And it’s terrifying. Of most concern is the resistance from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) toward additional military aid to Ukraine. He told Punchbowl News during a recent interview, “I think people are gonna be sitting in a recession, and they’re not going to write a blank check to Ukraine,” he said. “They just won’t do it.” He added, “Then there’s the things [the Biden administration] is not doing domestically. Not doing the border and people begin to weigh that. Ukraine is important, but at the same time it can’t be the only thing they do and it can’t be a blank check.” Sign up for a weekly roundup of thought-provoking ideas and debates Such a proclamation must be encouraging for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, whose invasion strategy rests on the assumption that the will of Ukraine’s Western allies will weaken, allowing Russian forces to grind the neighboring nation into submission. President Biden has spent nearly a year showing that the West will not bend. Now, with McCarthy’s typical recklessness in indulging MAGA isolationists, he is offering hope to Putin that if the Russian leader sticks to his war plan — built on human rights atrocities and Iranian weaponry — he might prevail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/mccarthy-gop-ukraine-aid-midterms/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Republicans have already indicated what they would do if they control one of both houses of Congress after the midterm elections. And it’s terrifying. Of most concern is the resistance from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) toward additional military aid to Ukraine. He told Punchbowl News during a recent interview, “I think people are gonna be sitting in a recession, and they’re not going to write a blank check to Ukraine,” he said. “They just won’t do it.” He added, “Then there’s the things [the Biden administration] is not doing domestically. Not doing the border and people begin to weigh that. Ukraine is important, but at the same time it can’t be the only thing they do and it can’t be a blank check.” Sign up for a weekly roundup of thought-provoking ideas and debates Such a proclamation must be encouraging for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, whose invasion strategy rests on the assumption that the will of Ukraine’s Western allies will weaken, allowing Russian forces to grind the neighboring nation into submission. President Biden has spent nearly a year showing that the West will not bend. Now, with McCarthy’s typical recklessness in indulging MAGA isolationists, he is offering hope to Putin that if the Russian leader sticks to his war plan — built on human rights atrocities and Iranian weaponry — he might prevail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/mccarthy-gop-ukraine-aid-midterms/ So if you notice, the quote is that “we’re not going to be sending a BLANK check to Ukraine”, and honestly we shouldn’t be. Nothing to see here….next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So if you notice, the quote is that “we’re not going to be sending a BLANK check to Ukraine”, and honestly we shouldn’t be. Nothing to see here….next! The signal has been sent. The GOP leadership will cut the aid to a nation facing a murderous tyrant. The base is thrilled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The signal has been sent. The GOP leadership will cut the aid to a nation facing a murderous tyrant. The base is thrilled Or….you could just read the actual quote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Or….you could just read the actual quote. The quote about limiting aid to a nation besieged by murderous tyrant? You don't give a crap anyway. Why are you even responding to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 WELCOME TO RUSSIA. OBEY ORDERS: Putin declares martial law in annexed regions of Ukraine. “The upper house of Russia’s parliament was set to quickly seal Putin’s decision to impose martial law in the four regions. Draft legislation indicates it may involve restrictions on travel and public gatherings, tighter censorship and broader authority for law enforcement agencies.” https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2022-10-19/putin-declares-martial-law-in-annexed-regions-of-ukraine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: WELCOME TO RUSSIA. OBEY ORDERS: Putin declares martial law in annexed regions of Ukraine. “The upper house of Russia’s parliament was set to quickly seal Putin’s decision to impose martial law in the four regions. Draft legislation indicates it may involve restrictions on travel and public gatherings, tighter censorship and broader authority for law enforcement agencies.” https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2022-10-19/putin-declares-martial-law-in-annexed-regions-of-ukraine . They've also announced that the four stolen regions are under the protection of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Which leads me to believe they aren't sure if they can hold them with their deteriorating conventional forces. Will Putin uses nuclear weapons on Ukrainian troops retaking self-proclaimed Russian territory, and if so, what should the response be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: The quote about limiting aid to a nation besieged by murderous tyrant? You don't give a crap anyway. Why are you even responding to this? Read the quote…it’s REALLY short… and learn basic English phrases. That is not what the term giving someone a ‘blank check’ means and you know it. So that’s why I’m responding to your partisan nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Read the quote…it’s REALLY short… and learn basic English phrases. That is not what the term giving someone a ‘blank check’ means and you know it. So that’s why I’m responding to your partisan nonsense. Hypocrite. Total hypocrisy And I read it and get that he wants to cut funding to Ukraine. Gee, I wonder why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Hypocrite. Total hypocrisy And I read it and get that he wants to cut funding to Ukraine. Gee, I wonder why I see. So as long as Ukraine asks for American taxpayer money, the Congress is obligated to give it to them, with no strings attached? Please tell President Biden that. Because that wasn’t his policy when he was the VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I see. So as long as Ukraine asks for American taxpayer money, the Congress is obligated to give it to them, with no strings attached? Please tell President Biden that. Because that wasn’t his policy when he was the VP. So you admit they are going to cut aid, correct? you could if just said that. Learn to argue coherently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you admit they are going to cut aid, correct? you could if just said that. Learn to argue coherently Still having trouble with English, I see? Again, for everyone in the class, that’s not what the term “blank check” means. You’re running out of tries. You might want to try logging out and then log back in as someone with a clue. Edited October 19, 2022 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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