Random Political Thoughts Inc.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Wow it’s almost like all immigrants contribute to the local economy! Who would have thought!

what kind of moron must you be to compare good people to rapist and murderers simply because they spend money.  

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

what kind of moron must you be to compare good people to rapist and murderers simply because they spend money.  

This is why “mass deportations” is an incredibly stupid and harmful policy! Trump is painting them all with the same brush. 

[Albwan]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

This is why “mass deportations” is an incredibly stupid and harmful policy! Trump is painting them all with the same brush. 

They should have come legally and not listened to the democrat crime cabal begging them to break in...blame your team.

Then again your team isn't big on law and order, amirite.

Proceed with the but but but jan 6th nonsense, too predictable.

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[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

This is why “mass deportations” is an incredibly stupid and harmful policy! Trump is painting them all with the same brush. 

No illegal immigrants are breaking the law, immigrants, like my friends, are not as I said completely moronic comparison.

[The Frankish Reich]

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

This is why “mass deportations” is an incredibly stupid and harmful policy! Trump is painting them all with the same brush. 

You seem to be painting them all with the same brush?

[The Frankish Reich]

That graph above is from Krugman's blog.

 

I've been involved off and on with immigration enforcement and policy ever since I got sworn in as a lawyer.

 

I'm a realist. 

 

Neither political side has embraced realism for more than a few moments.

 

Democrats typically think that because most immigrants, legal or illegal, are hardworking and generally law-abiding (save for that illegal entry), it follow that enforcement of immigration laws is bad.

 

Republicans typically think that illegal entry is an offense to the very concept of a law-abiding nation, and that strenuous enforcement will right that wrong with little or no cost to Americans. In fact, they think it may be a net benefit.

 

The reality is ... the reality. We have an illegal immigration system in America, and the American economy has come to rely on it. Both Republicans and Democrats need a dose of reality here.

Edited 3 hours ago by The Frankish Reich

[The Frankish Reich]

 

As far as actual policy goes, look at the farmworkers. An immigration attorney I knew who was active at the time of Reagan's "amnesty" bill used to joke that the way to eliminate a farmworker was to give him legal status. The Reagan "Special Agricultural Worker" path to legal residence applied to those who could show they were working in the fields; as soon as they got legal status, off to the cities they went for better paying/less back-breaking work.

So how do we pick the crops without illegal aliens? Is there some kind of temporary visa that would work? Legalization doesn't. Keeping them illegal just allows them to be abused by their employers. Some say the old "bracero" program, where Mexicans worked seasonally and had money deposited into a Mexican account (to be withdrawn only when they returned) was better, but that program was fraught with abuses too. 

All I can say is that the current debate/positions is not productive. It ignores reality. It will never result in good policy, whether it is Biden's "let 'em in/let 'em stay" or Trump's "mass deportations."

Congress: do your job. Listen to people who know the field. At least try to fashion sensible policy.

Edited 3 hours ago by The Frankish Reich

[Orlando Buffalo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lawandcrime.com/high-profile/remains-in-full-force-federal-judge-says-scotus-decision-on-3rd-country-deportations-doesnt-affect-his-original-ruling-keeping-men-from-south-sudan/amp/

 

This liberal judge in Boston is stating his words are the ultimate word on the topic, over the SC, over the president, and regardless of Congress. This is what we are always told to fear but it only seems to come from the left 

[The Frankish Reich]

9 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lawandcrime.com/high-profile/remains-in-full-force-federal-judge-says-scotus-decision-on-3rd-country-deportations-doesnt-affect-his-original-ruling-keeping-men-from-south-sudan/amp/

 

This liberal judge in Boston is stating his words are the ultimate word on the topic, over the SC, over the president, and regardless of Congress. This is what we are always told to fear but it only seems to come from the left 

I'm gonna try something here.

You know how Reddit does an Ask Me Anything (AMA)? 

I'll start one on immigration and court procedure. I pretend to have expertise on a lot of things, but I really do know this field.

Do you think we can keep it objective and not insulting? I'll try to note what is my opinion vs. what is the established law.

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Do you think we can keep it objective and not insulting?

No

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, JDHillFan said:

No

True.

But I'll try.

If only to prove your point ...

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

You seem to be painting them all with the same brush?

A good policy would be to clearly identify the bad ones and take them away instead of abducting people waiting in line for their normal court hearings 

[Pokebball]

30 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

A good policy would be to clearly identify the bad ones and take them away instead of abducting people waiting in line for their normal court hearings 

Are you assuming there aren't any "bad" ones waiting in line?

 

It seems pretty clear to me that the feds policy is to focus on the bad ones. If there are other illegals that have skipped their court hearing, are you good deporting them too?

[Roundybout]

10 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Are you assuming there aren't any "bad" ones waiting in line?

 

It seems pretty clear to me that the feds policy is to focus on the bad ones. If there are other illegals that have skipped their court hearing, are you good deporting them too?

Why would criminal migrants with warrants be going through the regular process? 
 

And no, I completely disagree that the MAGA party policy is “the bad ones.” That’s contradicted by the “mass deportations now” signs the ghouls were waving around at his rallies, and it’s contradicted by stories like the below: 

 

Until the agents responsible for this are rounded up and help accountable, I will forever oppose the mass deportation policy. It’s inhumane. 

[JDHillFan]

45 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

A good policy would be to clearly identify the bad ones and take them away instead of abducting people waiting in line for their normal court hearings 

I agree.

 

Is there a skin color component to your proposed policy? 

[BillsFanNC]

Where does ICE arrest illegals at courthouses?

 

In sanctuary cities.

 

Start cooperating with ICE in these jurisdictions and there won't be a need to arrest them at court hearings.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

No

That was clearly the dumbest thing he has ever posted. 😁

[Roundybout]

17 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I agree.

 

Is there a skin color component to your proposed policy? 

Never said there was. 

12 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Where does ICE arrest illegals at courthouses?

 

In sanctuary cities.

 

Start cooperating with ICE in these jurisdictions and there won't be a need to arrest them at court hearings.

Or you could leave people who are cooperating alone and focus your resources on the real issues.