Orlando Tim Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, daz28 said: I said there was MORE fraud there, yet there is less insistence on ID. That was the whole gist There is multiple levels of verification for all large transactions, when I buy a car I have to show my license to get it, to buy a house, anything over $2500 usually they want a picture ID. In order to set up the bank account I had to have a picture ID, and my account is set to notify me if anything over my mortgage goes out. I am still missing where you buy large things without showing ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: There is multiple levels of verification for all large transactions, when I buy a car I have to show my license to get it, to buy a house, anything over $2500 usually they want a picture ID. In order to set up the bank account I had to have a picture ID, and my account is set to notify me if anything over my mortgage goes out. I am still missing where you buy large things without showing ID. I could spend $5000 on Amazon right this second with one click. Surely you know this. Someone else with the same numbers I use to buy something can do it just as easily. Fraud is rampant. The question is, even though there is virtually zero voter fraud, why can I(or someone pretending to be me) make that purchase with no issues, when my vote is so scrutinized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, daz28 said: I could spend $5000 on Amazon right this second with one click. Surely you know this. Someone else with the same numbers I use to buy something can do it just as easily. Fraud is rampant. The question is, even though there is virtually zero voter fraud, why can I(or someone pretending to be me) make that purchase with no issues, when my vote is so scrutinized? Your vote is scrutinized because it effects how trillions of dollars are spent, not a few thousand. Also I have recieved a call from my credit card company when I was in Europe and forget to mention one of the countries on my itinerary. Your argument that there is no voter fraud is just none that can be proven but as I have asked many times, why do we match signatures? It is to find fraud and many elections have enough spoiled ballots to change the results. To pretend that having an ID is an imposition is pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: Your vote is scrutinized because it effects how trillions of dollars are spent, not a few thousand. Also I have recieved a call from my credit card company when I was in Europe and forget to mention one of the countries on my itinerary. Your argument that there is no voter fraud is just none that can be proven but as I have asked many times, why do we match signatures? It is to find fraud and many elections have enough spoiled ballots to change the results. To pretend that having an ID is an imposition is pathetic. My vote hasn't mattered in my entire life. It's as worthless as the ballot it's written on(thanks electoral college). If your trying to say that there's as much "unproven" voter fraud as there is actual monetary fraud, then this conversation is over. My vote, even if counted, doesn't effect trillions of dollars. LOL Now let's get back to my original point. If they can be laissez faire with my financial information, why are a handful of votes SOOO important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, daz28 said: My vote hasn't mattered in my entire life. It's as worthless as the ballot it's written on(thanks electoral college). If your trying to say that there's as much "unproven" voter fraud as there is actual monetary fraud, then this conversation is over. My vote, even if counted, doesn't effect trillions of dollars. LOL Now let's get back to my original point. If they can be laissez faire with my financial information, why are a handful of votes SOOO important. ignoring the presidential race, in FL in 2018 if 18000 votes were flipped we would have Gov Gilliam and my life would have sucked for the past year but since we do have good voter verification we know we have the governor we voted for and my life was better than at least 45 other states. This is not only about presidents since rarely one state decides it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: ignoring the presidential race, in FL in 2018 if 18000 votes were flipped we would have Gov Gilliam and my life would have sucked for the past year but since we do have good voter verification we know we have the governor we voted for and my life was better than at least 45 other states. This is not only about presidents since rarely one state decides it. 1 in 3 Americans have suffered identity theft. Would Gilliam have "sucked" worse than that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: 1 in 3 Americans have suffered identity theft. Would Gilliam have "sucked" worse than that???? You're unwittingly making the case for more secure elections. Just because your financial information is at risk doesn't mean it's OK for everything to be at risk and/or it's not correct for them to keep trying to make it more secure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc said: You're unwittingly making the case for more secure elections. Just because your financial information is at risk doesn't mean it's OK for everything to be at risk and/or it's not correct for them to keep trying to make it more secure. Not unwittingly. You must not have seen this post: If a picture voter ID card is the best solution they can come up with in the year 2021, then they clearly lack imagination. People make large cashless transactions every single day with a card WITH NO PICTURE. Heck, many are done over the internet with numbers only. There is FAR more fraud in that than there is in voting, but for some reason, you don't have to pull out your ID every time a transaction takes place. Kinda makes ya go hmmm. I'm 100% for an authentification system that is more clever than me using my brother's ID to cast a fraudulent vote. Honestly, how many people even look like their ID? Stupid solutions to please stupid people, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: Not unwittingly. You must not have seen this post: If a picture voter ID card is the best solution they can come up with in the year 2021, then they clearly lack imagination. People make large cashless transactions every single day with a card WITH NO PICTURE. Heck, many are done over the internet with numbers only. There is FAR more fraud in that than there is in voting, but for some reason, you don't have to pull out your ID every time a transaction takes place. Kinda makes ya go hmmm. I'm 100% for an authentification system that is more clever than me using my brother's ID to cast a fraudulent vote. Honestly, how many people even look like their ID? Stupid solutions to please stupid people, imo. Yeah, I saw that as it's what started this whole nonsense. Again people will try and defraud anything they can if there's something in it for them. It doesn't mean you don't continue to try and make it more secure and there are limits to what can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 And again you're arguing against less-secure forms of voting, like online and even mail-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, daz28 said: Not unwittingly. You must not have seen this post: If a picture voter ID card is the best solution they can come up with in the year 2021, then they clearly lack imagination. People make large cashless transactions every single day with a card WITH NO PICTURE. Heck, many are done over the internet with numbers only. There is FAR more fraud in that than there is in voting, but for some reason, you don't have to pull out your ID every time a transaction takes place. Kinda makes ya go hmmm. I'm 100% for an authentification system that is more clever than me using my brother's ID to cast a fraudulent vote. Honestly, how many people even look like their ID? Stupid solutions to please stupid people, imo. Comparing financial transactions to elections is comparing apples to monkey wrenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Comparing financial transactions to elections is comparing apples to monkey wrenches. When you start with a silly premise like "there's 33% fraud with online purchases because they don't require ID, so why should we bother asking for ID when voting..." Edited May 5, 2021 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Comparing financial transactions to elections is comparing apples to monkey wrenches. We're comparing security to security in the 21st century. An ID card is not a 21st centruy solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Comparing financial transactions to elections is comparing apples to monkey wrenches. Comparing security to security. 3 hours ago, Doc said: When you start with a silly premise like "there's 33% fraud with online purchases because they don't require ID, so why should we bother asking for ID when voting..." What;s silly about identity theft? It's 1 in 3. Look it up. Chalk it upto the payee/payer, but it's a CRIME, and it happens every minute. Supposed maybe voter fraud has never even once dreamt of being an issue. Fabrication for the masses. If you say it's real long enough, people will believe it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 9 hours ago, daz28 said: We're comparing security to security in the 21st century. An ID card is not a 21st centruy solution. Financial transactions come with a risk. Why cc companies charge very high interest rates. Those risks can be mitigated by the high rates/fees and insurances. It’s all part of the process and is baked into the transactions and the industry as a whole. Casting a ballot also comes with a risk of course but the question is not how do we compensate for it but how do we do the best we can to reduce it to the lowest level. Apples and monkey wrenches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Just over 40,000 “ votes” ( probably on unverifiable paper ballots” in two states are the reason President Trump is not protecting our democracy from the liberal mob. It’s far less than instances of credit card fraud etc but it has a HUGE impact on our freedom. It’s essential to have election security so this never happens again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: How many drop boxes were there prior to the primaries in 2020? How many mail boxes and post offices are found in the Metro ATL area? What was the purpose of the drop boxes in 2020? Do you check under your bed every night for boogey men too? How many of them do you find. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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