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Even with Watt I still see the Cards as a 9 win team.  I have no doubt their defense will be very good, but it all comes down to Quarterback in the NFL and I dont think Murray is ever going to be elite.  Make no mistake about he is a good Quarterback, but if you're serious about contending for a Super Bowl, you better have an elite player at that position.  There are outliers, I just dont see it in the division they play in.  

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So it was about money and not winning a super bowl.   

At that price, they can have him.   Now let's get serious about free agency.

Is this the guy who just got out of a bad relationship and keeps saying he just wants someone with depth who he can have a real connection with and then shows up the next day with a cheerleader who ca

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4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Even with Watt I still see the Cards as a 9 win team.  I have no doubt their defense will be very good, but it all comes down to Quarterback in the NFL and I dont think Murray is ever going to be elite.  Make no mistake about he is a good Quarterback, but if you're serious about contending for a Super Bowl, you better have an elite player at that position.  There are outliers, I just dont see it in the division they play in.  

 

I don't agree for the reasons I mentioned above.  If it were a matter of adding Watt to their defense from last year, I'd agree.  But apparently Watt's cap hit in his first year will be $14.5M, which is a little more than the amount the Cardinals were under the cap, meaning they're going to have to clear a lot more room to sign even one of their 4 UFA starting defenders, especially when factoring they'll need $5M for rookies.

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8 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

I still have trouble seeing how Arizona is considered a playoff contender when their division has 2 teams LA and SF who still have a lot of the core roster that took them to Superbowls in recent years and the other team Seattle has been a consistent playoff contender.     Watt isn't going to magically make a middle of the pack defense top 5.  And its yet to be seen if Kyler can become a more complete QB.   When forced to stay in pocket his passing is very mediocre.    Remember that they finished 8-8 last year.  

 

With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in.

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1 hour ago, billieve420 said:

 

With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in.

 

Did you mean the Bears?  The Rams were 10-6 this past regular season....

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2 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in.

Playoffs expanded to 7 teams per conference last year. I don’t believe any more teams will be added to the playoff pool in 2021??

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4 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in.

It isn’t expanding. It expanded last year and they didnt get in because Mitchell trubisky was Better, yikes 

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On 3/2/2021 at 9:50 PM, Doc said:

 

How do you figure?

 

The offense is more than good enough.  A healthy Chandler Jones and now Watt, plus whatever other pieces they add in free agency and the draft...

 

Look at the leap Buffalo made from 2019 to 2020.

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12 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The offense is more than good enough.  A healthy Chandler Jones and now Watt, plus whatever other pieces they add in free agency and the draft...

 

Look at the leap Buffalo made from 2019 to 2020.

 

For the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread, they're more likely to stay the same or get worse than to be the best team in the NFC.

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Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them.  
 

 

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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them.  
 

 

Good thing they got Watt now because they sure weren't going to do it for Kliff apparently.

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them.  
 

 

 

Sure worked in Houston last year...

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14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sure worked in Houston last year...

 

Maybe this season we can get a video clip of Watt telling Kyler "we wasted one of your years." :thumbsup:

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People wonder how you can sign players like Watt with little cap space. His cap hit in 2021 is only $4.9 million.  If the Bills signed Watt to the same contract and cut Addison they would have saved cap space. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

People wonder how you can sign players like Watt with little cap space. His cap hit in 2021 is only $4.9 million.  If the Bills signed Watt to the same contract and cut Addison they would have saved cap space. 

 

 

In a vacuum, yes they would have done it that way and pushed the cap hit forward if watt took their offer. They didn’t want to give him the full contract that Arizona did though so it’s moot. 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

People wonder how you can sign players like Watt with little cap space. His cap hit in 2021 is only $4.9 million.  If the Bills signed Watt to the same contract and cut Addison they would have saved cap space. 

 

 

So Watt will be hitting Arizona’s cap in 2025 for $2.4m.  This is the NFL version of Bobby Bonilla. 

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21 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

So Watt will be hitting Arizona’s cap in 2025 for $2.4m.  This is the NFL version of Bobby Bonilla. 

I wonder if he is still getting paid?

2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

I wonder if he is still getting paid?

Yep just checked, Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid and will continue until 2035, the man will be 72 then. Incredible.

 

On a related note I feel the Saints are the closest team to this type of scenario.

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On 3/1/2021 at 11:53 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So deal is now reported as $28M with the potential for an additional $3M based upon sack numbers and other performance escalators.

Just a little point that there can be a lot of detail buried in the report of a certain dollar value contract.

 

Also this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-cardinals-overpaying-for-j-j-watt-raises-eyebrows-one-steelers-draft-target-stands-out/

 

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There is a mystery being talked about in NFL circles right now. I've been asked the question myself by some personnel execs. I do not have the answer.  It goes a little something like this: Who the hell were the Cardinals bidding against for J.J. Watt? Who else was paying him $14M a year?

 

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There were interested teams, for sure, but few felt the need to throw the kind of money around the Cardinals did, raising plenty of eyebrows in other front offices. Some teams I spoke to were thinking more like $10M a year. Others said they would consider $12M plus incentives. This is a player who has missed a lot of time with a slew of significant injuries, after all

 

So 🤷‍♂️

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A Michael Lombardi article in The Athletic rips the Cardinals signing, stating they way over paid for him based on age, injury history.  I'd tend to agree for $15 mil or maybe a couple more you could sign one of the top edge rushers and one who is still much younger too.  Hopefully that is something the Bills are leaning towards.

 

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https://theathletic.com/2426151/2021/03/04/lombardi-cardinals-overpaid-for-j-j-watt-plus-quarterback-rumors-galore/

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