Big Gun Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:01 PM, LeGOATski said: That was already proved false. Put in your hearing aid? Expand link? On 11/4/2020 at 8:09 PM, mattynh said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/ Expand Snopes, the left wing hack lying propaganda site you're using! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha............ man you're stupid!
HappyDays Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:36 PM, wnyguy said: Here is what is suspicious, an almost 90 % voter turnout in WI. I will say that again. Almost 90 % voter turnout. Never before has that happened in WI. Expand Voter turnout is calculated by number of voting age adults, not registered voters. So in fact the turnout is not much greater than it has been. Wisconsin also has same day registration, newly registered voters wouldn't have shown up in the old data.
wnyguy Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:46 PM, HappyDays said: Voter turnout is calculated by number of voting age adults, not registered voters. So in fact the turnout is not much greater than it has been. Wisconsin also has same day registration, newly registered voters wouldn't have shown up in the old data. Expand so you're saying that you need not be a registered voter in order to be calculated as a voter?
Back2Buff Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:46 PM, HappyDays said: Voter turnout is calculated by number of voting age adults, not registered voters. So in fact the turnout is not much greater than it has been. Wisconsin also has same day registration, newly registered voters wouldn't have shown up in the old data. Expand What checks so they have for same day registration? What happens if someone already sent in a ballot, and then registered again at the polling place and voted again?
HappyDays Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:48 PM, wnyguy said: so you're saying that you need not be a registered voter in order to be calculated as a voter? Expand I'm saying voter turnout is calculated by dividing the total number of voters by the number of voting age adults in the state. So it is not correct to say they had 90% turnout this year. In 2016 there were 2,976,000 votes in Wisconsin. This year there was 3,297,000. A 321,000 total vote increase (10%) is not evidence of voter fraud, at all.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:41 PM, Big Gun said: Snopes, the left wing hack lying propaganda site you're using! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha............ man you're stupid! Expand You have no ground to laugh at anyone's sources. But right from the state gov itself. https://elections.wi.gov/node/7220 There were 3,684,726 registered voters as of 11/1/20 There have been 3,240,268 votes cast. End of story. Stop believing bots on twitter. 1
HappyDays Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:54 PM, Back2Buff said: What checks so they have for same day registration? What happens if someone already sent in a ballot, and then registered again at the polling place and voted again? Expand If they are caught they will face a hefty fine and jail time and a criminal record. This is why voter fraud doesn't actually happen except in very rare cases. The risk/reward just isn't there.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted November 4, 2020 Author Posted November 4, 2020 So is Arizona a done deal or not???
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:59 PM, Tiberius said: So is Arizona a done deal or not??? Expand Seems like nope currently.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:54 PM, Back2Buff said: What checks so they have for same day registration? What happens if someone already sent in a ballot, and then registered again at the polling place and voted again? Expand This is basic election security that has been in place for a while. What happens is the same thing that would happen if I mailed in a ballot and then tried to go vote in person. The system would see I already requested a mail-in ballot and wouldnt let me vote in person. If/when I try to register, it tells me I'm already registered. Not very complicated and already in place everywhere.
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:59 PM, Tiberius said: So is Arizona a done deal or not??? Expand yeah for Trump
Back2Buff Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:57 PM, HappyDays said: If they are caught they will face a hefty fine and jail time and a criminal record. This is why voter fraud doesn't actually happen except in very rare cases. The risk/reward just isn't there. Expand That's a big if and what are they doing to catch these people? Easy to say its rare, if it isn't checked. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 9:01 PM, Back2Buff said: That's a big if and what are they doing to catch these people? Easy to say its rare, if it isn't checked. Expand It is checked, and it doesnt happen.
wnyguy Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 8:56 PM, HappyDays said: I'm saying voter turnout is calculated by dividing the total number of voters by the number of voting age adults in the state. So it is not correct to say they had 90% turnout this year. In 2016 there were 2,976,000 votes in Wisconsin. This year there was 3,297,000. A 321,000 total vote increase (10%) is not evidence of voter fraud, at all. Expand Why is voter turnout not based on the number of voters who turned out to vote? Sorry if I seem ignorant here, just trying to understand it.
Back2Buff Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 9:00 PM, DrDawkinstein said: This is basic election security that has been in place for a while. What happens is the same thing that would happen if I mailed in a ballot and then tried to go vote in person. The system would see I already requested a mail-in ballot and wouldnt let me vote in person. If/when I try to register, it tells me I'm already registered. Not very complicated and already in place everywhere. Expand So your registration is put into a database right away? That's not why I have seen. I have seen paper forms, not electronic computers or anything. You are giving way too much credit that the voting process is up to date, which I can assure you, USA is still voting like its 1970. That's why states have it that you have to be registered way before the election date.
HappyDays Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 9:04 PM, wnyguy said: Why is voter turnout not based on the number of voters who turned out to vote? Sorry if I seem ignorant here, just trying to understand it. Expand It's semantics either way, it doesn't actually make a difference. I'm just saying the people trying to say Wisconsin has 90% turnout are wrong based on the actual definition of voter turnout. 90% of total registered voters showing up is not unlikely in a polarized election in a state where same day registration is possible. The numbers being used for that 90% are from November 1. Anyone else that registered after that, including on election day, would bring that percentage down.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 9:04 PM, Back2Buff said: So your registration is put into a database right away? That's not why I have seen. I have seen paper forms, not electronic computers or anything. You are giving way too much credit that the voting process is up to date, which I can assure you, USA is still voting like its 1970. That's why states have it that you have to be registered way before the election date. Expand Fair enough, we're both making assumptions about how WI does same-day registration when we dont really know. I'm based in GA where it is as back-asswards as you can get, but our system does catch stuff like re-registering, and trying to vote in person when you already have a mail-in. So if GA can do it, I'm fairly confident in other states. That's also probably where the harsh punishments come in as deterrents to prevent people from even trying. These things are definitely checked tho. In every state. And even people who make innocent mistakes receive harsh punishments.
wnyguy Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 9:07 PM, HappyDays said: It's semantics either way, it doesn't actually make a difference. I'm just saying the people trying to say Wisconsin has 90% turnout are wrong based on the actual definition of voter turnout. 90% of total registered voters showing up is not unlikely in a polarized election in a state where same day registration is possible. The numbers being used for that 90% are from November 1. Anyone else that registered after that, including on election day, would bring that percentage down. Expand Now I gotta say, come on man. An 89.5 % registered voter turnout is unprecedented in election history. It is unheard of.
HappyDays Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 9:01 PM, Back2Buff said: That's a big if and what are they doing to catch these people? Easy to say its rare, if it isn't checked. Expand Of course it's checked. Counties check with each other to make sure people aren't breaking the law. It really isn't as difficult as you make it seem. I'll tell you what, Trump's team is going to do a recount. They are losing by 20,000 votes. If there are 20,000 duplicate or fake votes in there, they will find out. I'll stake my claim now that nothing will come of it. It makes no sense for a person to vote fraudulently when the risk is jail time for a single extra vote.
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