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10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Yes, many cities lost their teams, bro, which made them prime candidates to get a replacement team either through expansion or relocation.  As you unwittingly admitted, the Cleveland Browns relocated to Baltimore to replace the team that relocated to Indianapolis, so your claim that these needed to be expansion teams only is false.  And then there were the expansion cities, which again could just as easily have been a relocated team.  That means every city, including LA (remove LV if it means that much to you) was open for Ralph.

 

As for your claim that the only time Ralph could have moved was circa 1998, why is that?  Because he publicly complained and because leases are unbreakable?  LOL!  He could have never said anything, up and moved the team and broken the lease like other owners have done...like the aforementioned Irsay.  

 

And hate to break it to you, but every owner who has moved or gotten a new stadium has done it for a "shameless cash grab" and "agitating for a new stadium."  None of them were losing money in their old digs and they simply wanted to make more.  But to you it was just Ralph.  Which says it all.

 

The bottom line is that Ralph never moved the team because he didn't want to, not because he couldn't.  He voted against every team move.  If the Sabres were to be sold, the new owner could easily move the team because just when you think there isn't a new market...suddenly there is.  Belabor it if you want but there's nothing more to say on the subject.

 

Let's take these one at a time:

 

1). "unwittingly admitted"?  The "new" Browns were announced as an expansion team in 1998--when Ralph was agitating for upgrades to the stadium.  So clearly Cleveland was not a potential spot for Wilson to move to, besides the fact that it would make zero sense for him to move there.  LA was a nonstarter for the same reason that no other owner wanted to go there for years--the stadium is a dump and the fans apathetic.  Attendance sucked so the games were routinely blacked out.  That too would have been senseless for Ralph.  Unlike Kroenke, Wilson was never going to spring for a stadium.  But hey, "he could have moved there!", right?

 

2). Irsay may have moved the team "in the middle of the night", but he had been very publicly talking about moving in 1977.  He was openly courting other cities at that time.  He moved in 1984.  He took off and with the team that night because the Maryland Senate passed a law that would allow the city of Baltimore to seize the team by eminent domain 2 days prior.  So, stating he "up and moved the team" and "broke the lease" betrays your lack of depth of knowledge regarding that move, to be kind...

 

3). Hate to break it to me?  LOL, I posted that obvious point upstream---owners squeeze the locals for a new or renovated stadium or they threaten to move if they don't get it.  Yet now you say that Wilson could have moved the team AFTER Erie built Rich Stadium or AFTER Erie gave the Ralph it's upgrades?  Why?  If teams all move because of not getting the money for stadiums, and Ralph got that, why would he ever move?  How many owners have, after getting a new or renovated stadium, "meh, I'm moving....somewhere...because I want to?".   Like the overwhelming majority of his colleagues throughout his career, Ralph gets no credit for "not moving the team" when it made absolutely no sense to do so.

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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

Chesapeake has been rough for years, especially since Aubrey Mclendon died/got charged. They have laid off something like 1000 employees over the last 5 years or so. This is not really new. And coming out of this with only 200 layoffs is actually pretty good for them these days. It was a shame, I have met Aubrey, he always came across as genuine and caring. His philanthropy towards the olympic training center is the reason it existed in OKC. Folks like Devon, Sandridge, OG&E, etc. didn't want to be left in the dust. But that is a different story. 

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Putting this here as well. 

 

Further proof that PSE financial condition is a mess.  Always bad news when you fire your top finance guy, but don't immediately name a replacement.

 

Chuck LaMattina out as executive VP of finance at Pegula Sports and Entertainment

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On 6/22/2020 at 1:46 PM, boater said:

And sold Sabres = Sabres moving out of town. Just watch.

But why?

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They are reorganizing with a “goal of becoming viable”..

 

yikes.

 

....and reported by “Trainwreck Sports“ lol

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Sounds like Pegs could use a financial genius to come back and save the day.

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4 hours ago, inkman said:

But why?

Because in reality land Buffalo can't support a major league team. The Sabres are only financially viable when they win.

 

If they move to a major market like LA or other, they can make money even when they suck. Example: the LA Clippers.

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20 hours ago, boater said:

Because in reality land Buffalo can't support a major league team. The Sabres are only financially viable when they win.

 

If they move to a major market like LA or other, they can make money even when they suck. Example: the LA Clippers.

 

Yes and no. Part of the issue that makes it trickier is that the NHL is not all that popular to begin with. Where as the Bills can basically break even just from the TV contracts alone. ($255M per year and $198M salary cap) It isn't that different than most teams in the NHL. They need to have lots of butts in lots of seats just to hit a break even point. What is happening to the Sabres is just 10 years of futility catching up to them in a bit of a niche sport. Not necessarily that Buffalo cannot support an NHL team unless there is some wild set of circumstances. 

The Pegulas are actually in an enviable situation professionally. They have a market that will support their team and make them millions without much issue as long as they are even average at your job. But they can't get out of their own way. They are tanking their own business. Sure, maybe LA could make them more money, but Buffalo isn't a town where it should be costing them money to run the team. If they just made the playoffs every other year, people would literally camp out overnight to get tickets and buy merch. Could you imagine you go to work and people are begging you for your product already, there is almost no customer acquisition costs, no consumer education, no real key verticals. Just a base of people that already want your product. All you have to do is hire people who are about average at their job and get out of the way. Then you can make millions. Most of us are not that lucky. They are actually in complete control of their destiny here. 

 

This is their problem, not the towns. They have been absolutely miserable owners of the Sabres. Like one of the worst owners in all of professional sports. It's not the market (albeit there are some issues with comparative profitability to other franchises)

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5 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Yes and no. Part of the issue that makes it trickier is that the NHL is not all that popular to begin with. Where as the Bills can basically break even just from the TV contracts alone. ($255M per year and $198M salary cap) It isn't that different than most teams in the NHL. They need to have lots of butts in lots of seats just to hit a break even point. What is happening to the Sabres is just 10 years of futility catching up to them in a bit of a niche sport. Not necessarily that Buffalo cannot support an NHL team unless there is some wild set of circumstances. 

The Pegulas are actually in an enviable situation professionally. They have a market that will support their team and make them millions without much issue as long as they are even average at your job. But they can't get out of their own way. They are tanking their own business. Sure, maybe LA could make them more money, but Buffalo isn't a town where it should be costing them money to run the team. If they just made the playoffs every other year, people would literally camp out overnight to get tickets and buy merch. Could you imagine you go to work and people are begging you for your product already, there is almost no customer acquisition costs, no consumer education, no real key verticals. Just a base of people that already want your product. All you have to do is hire people who are about average at their job and get out of the way. Then you can make millions. Most of us are not that lucky. They are actually in complete control of their destiny here. 

 

This is their problem, not the towns. They have been absolutely miserable owners of the Sabres. Like one of the worst owners in all of professional sports. It's not the market (albeit there are some issues with comparative profitability to other franchises)


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