Buffalo_Gal Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I actually think this is a good idea. I have no worys aboyut what i post, and prttey easy to figure out my name is Paul Lenz , and I think great idea for everyone for every person to stand by their posts with their real names and identities. I know you have no issues, yuu have the courage of your convictions, as do i. Why woud anyone else oppsoe this? Because this guy is batshit crazy? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I actually think this is a good idea. I have no worys aboyut what i post, and prttey easy to figure out my name is Paul Lenz , and I think great idea for everyone for every person to stand by their posts with their real names and identities. I know you have no issues, yuu have the courage of your convictions, as do i. Why woud anyone else oppsoe this? I have met several of you so I would have no problem. But the real reason I want to do this is because I want @GregPersons to be out of pocket a few grand. And your name is Paul Lenz? Thank god. I’ve been scared shitless I’d pronounce your last name Lenzmd wrong. ? 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Because this guy is batshit crazy? And I’m not? ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Because this guy is batshit crazy? well, thats one reason LOL! How abouts we all posts IRL twitter handle...and again there, i am Paul Lenz..i stand behind everyhtng i post..plenzmd1 on twitter too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I have met several of you so I would have no problem. But the real reason I want to do this is because I want @GregPersons to be out of pocket a few grand. And your name is Paul Lenz? Thank god. I’ve been scared shitless I’d pronounce your last name Lenzmd wrong. ? And I’m not? ? You can be Exhibit B. ? 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: well, thats one reason LOL! How abouts we all posts IRL twitter handle...and again there, i am Paul Lenz..i stand behind everyhtng i post..plenzmd1 on twitter too! My twitter handle is all rainbows and unicorns. Not at all political. Hmmm maybe I should have you follow it. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You can be Exhibit B. ? My twitter handle is all rainbows and unicorns. Not at all political. Hmmm maybe I should have you follow it. ? so take it your scared of posting yiur twitter handle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: so take it your scared of posting yiur twitter handle? It is my name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You can be Exhibit B. ? My twitter handle is all rainbows and unicorns. Not at all political. Hmmm maybe I should have you follow it. ? I rarely tweet but when I do it’s music or food. After here I’m left with political dry heaves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: It is my name. which is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: well, thats one reason LOL! How abouts we all posts IRL twitter handle...and again there, i am Paul Lenz..i stand behind everyhtng i post..plenzmd1 on twitter too! Found you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: which is? On my twitter handle. Sheesh, keep up, would ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: On my twitter handle. Sheesh, keep up, would ya! i know i have been golfing and maybe had a few today,,so make it easy for me..your twitter haandle is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) Actually my only tweet I think was this. This professional photographer took and posted the first pic below. I thought that looked familiar. I checked my pics of the same concert and realize I took a pic at the same time and got him Edited June 8, 2020 by Chef Jim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: i know i have been golfing and maybe had a few today,,so make it easy for me..your twitter haandle is? @realdonaldtrumpjr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i know i have been golfing and maybe had a few today,,so make it easy for me..your twitter haandle is? Well, the drinking explains the typing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Well, the drinking explains the typing... I blame my typing on sobriety. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Well, the drinking explains the typing... so , still not willing to reveal true identity? why? Maybe a reason i dont understand, but i am willing tio listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: so , still not willing to reveal true identity? why? Maybe a reason i dont understand, but i am willing tio listen Just look at gregperson, would you want to have that guy spamming you on Twitter? I applaud you though Paul, it takes guts to put your real name out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 hours ago, meazza said: I said the same things a few days ago. @Tiberius I'm sorry to have put you on ignore and made fun of you. No problem, this place used to be seriously crazy, people have calmed down, I think, including me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 11 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I actually think this is a good idea. I have no worys aboyut what i post, and prttey easy to figure out my name is Paul Lenz , and I think great idea for everyone for every person to stand by their posts with their real names and identities. I know you have no issues, yuu have the courage of your convictions, as do i. Why woud anyone else oppsoe this? I would decline for the same reason I would never do an interview with a major news outlet unless there was a contractual agreement to air the interview unedited in its entirety. Additionally, having the courage of your convictions doesn't protect you from the potential collateral consequences of expressing an unpopular opinion. Although I like to say it, the truth is not a complete defense. I've posted pretty much all the opinions I express on this board under my real name in other areas of the internet, but I'm increasingly less inclined to do so. I have that luxury of open expression because my job is mostly safe, but for many people, expressing an unpopular opinion is at best a career limiting exercise, and at worst, career suicide. That's true even if the opinion is well grounded and supported. I was once pulled aside by management at a previous job and made to explain criticisms of Obama I had made in a private conversation that was overheard and reported by a co-worker. The conversation did not even touch on anything remotely related to race. It was a discussion about economic policy, specifically with regard to the efficacy of stimulus spending. Nevertheless, it was 2008 and Obama was not to be criticized. (Curiously, I never got push back for criticizing stimulus spending under Bush or Trump). My opportunities in that department mysteriously diminished immediately after that incident. If you can be blackballed for privately expressing your views about fiscal and monetary policy, imagine the danger of expressing controversial opinions on racial issues, especially in this environment. I see people on FB, including well-educated professionals, bragging about eliminating friends and family from their lives simply because they refuse to accept Critical Social Justice theory. I know of a company that ceased doing business with a woman because of her "racist" posts. The fact that there was nothing inherently racist about any of her posts was irrelevant. They challenged the doctrine and that was enough. The environment out there is not one that's safe for challenging prevailing views. Even in my current situation I'm not going out into the world unfiltered, even though nothing I have to say could be considered racist by any rational definition. My job situation could change at some point and I'm already marginalized in my professional community for making the outlandish statement that destroying the property and livelihoods of innocent people isn't a reasonable form of protest. Rocking the boat could be detrimental to my ability to provide for my kids, regardless of the level of courage I have in my convictions. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 15 hours ago, GregPersons said: I've noticed a lot of our fellow Bills fans are sure that racism isn't real. In an attempt to heal this country, I thought these words could go a long way and help people outside of our community. That's why I'm scheduling a time for all of the folks who've been so strident in their posts here, reminding us all that racism is not real, to go ahead and use their faces and tell us on camera. No need to tell us your name / location. We just want to see your face. Go ahead and wear some Bills gear too, to make us all proud. I will be arranging times for people who've been really loud about this — even people I've put on ignore like @Reality Check, you get another chance here bud — to make time with me. I can be pretty flexible to your schedule. If you have time and interest, and you want to make sure that the world beyond our Bills community has the chance to hear your words of wisdom, please make sure to schedule a time. I will be recording throughout this next week. Let's show people what Buffalo is made of!! @Chef Jim you had a lot of thoughts. What's your schedule? @billsfan1959 you had a lot of great thoughts on racism and police. I know you're not working anymore. What's your schedule this week? @Deranged Rhino you're in Los Angeles so we're in the time zone. You have also made it clear that white genocide is an issue. Can I get you saying that with your mouth instead of your fingers? Who else? I know we've got a lot of smart people here and I don't want to leave anyone out. Seems mildly threatening and inappropriate, given that you haven’t demonstrated anything that would/should lead anyone to believe that you plan to act in good faith, or that you’re prepared to be intellectually honest. I’ve engaged with you in good faith on several fronts now, and I’ve yet to see you bring any data to support your assertions. I’ve come to you with my own data, and you in turn came to agree with my assessment on one front; and I’ve engaged you asking you for data on another, and you’ve yet to supply it. I am happy to engage with anyone, on any topic, who approaches the arena with intellectual honesty, prepares to back their position with data, and leaves room for the possibility that they may, in fact, be wrong. The purpose of discussion/debate is to vet the merits of what you believe to be true against those who would challenge and scrutinize your ideas. And, if I’m being honest, you come across more as a ####-sure firebrand, here to make personal attacks against anyone who challenges your ideas, more than someone making inquiry, and searching for truth. I am more than happy to continue to engage with you, and am hoping that you prove me wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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