slothrop Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Travis will be one of the best backs in the league if he should learn better pass blocking skills. 307679[/snapback] Therein lies the problem. HEnry can't learn! He is one IQ point above retarded. If he gets traded to the Eagles they will have to seriously dumb down their West-Coast offense for him or else he will be on the bench. Henry is a stupid one dimensional RB who will look comical in a complicated offensive scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Therein lies the problem. HEnry can't learn! He is one IQ point above retarded. If he gets traded to the Eagles they will have to seriously dumb down their West-Coast offense for him or else he will be on the bench. Henry is a stupid one dimensional RB who will look comical in a complicated offensive scheme. 307739[/snapback] His two best years were in extremely complicated offensive scheme. His worst year was in the scaled down version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 His two best years were in extremely complicated offensive scheme. His worst year was in the scaled down version. 307742[/snapback] lets be clear on those two years in an "extremely complicated offensive scheme." In those years we ran a "mini-Gilbride" system because our WR and QB could not get on the same page - a necessity in the hybrid-run-n-shoot Gilbride system. In those years, Henry routinely missed blocks, ran the wrong patterns, and accounted for a good portion of sacks. That system, from an RB perspective, was not nearly as compicated as Andy Reid's West Coast system. If you like losing battles you can continue to defend Henry's intelligence. Look, Henry is good if you tell him "get ball, and run here" and that is ALL you ask him (even then he will go the wrong way on occasion). He hits a hole harder than most backs in the league - but once you ask him toe exercise any kind of judgment, interpretation, or discretion you are in for a world of hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 lets be clear on those two years in an "extremely complicated offensive scheme." In those years we ran a "mini-Gilbride" system because our WR and QB could not get on the same page - a necessity in the hybrid-run-n-shoot Gilbride system. In those years, Henry routinely missed blocks, ran the wrong patterns, and accounted for a good portion of sacks. That system, from an RB percpective, was not nearly as compicated as Andy Reid's West Coast system. If you like losing battles you can continue to defend Henry's intelligence. Look, HEnry is good if you tell him "get ball, and run here" and that is ALL you ask him (even then he will go the wrong way on occasion). He hits a hole harder than most backs in the league - but once you ask him toe exercise any kind of judgment, interpretation, or discretion you are in for a world of hurt. 307751[/snapback] I never defended his intelligence, and said he was not a smart guy. I was only refering to your post. Henry learned four different offenses in five years counting college. He played in a west coast offense his rookie year and beat out three runners, all of whom are still playing in the NFL in training camp. And I'm sorry but his lack of blocking skills have very little to do with his intelligence or lack thereof. He would normally be in position and then just whiff or get bulldozed. And i really don't think he routinely ran the wrong patterns, I would say he did it once in a while. He managed to catch 43 passes without playing third downs, he couldnt have missed too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I love Henry's effort, but he has limited skills. In the right system he's still a 1400 yard rusher. From what I've seen of the Eagles, they like stretching the coverage, and throwing underneath to their backs. Coach Reid's WCO roots. In all fairness to Henry, elusiveness and pass-receiving are not his strengths. I think you may have a 'Henry' type back already signed. Eric McCoo. I remember him from his Red Bank Regional (NJ shore) days. I don't know why he went undrafted after finishing his Penn State career as the team's 9th all-time rusher. I know that he tore up his knee trying to make the Bears a couple years back. If he's fully recovered, and has overcome whatever scared NFL scouts away in '02, he will make the Eagles '05 roster and contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I think Travis will have a chip on his shoulder the size of Manhattan and play lights out this year for whoever he signs with. 307665[/snapback] Remember he was supposed to do the same thing last year and fight off a competing tailbak in McGahee.....and the guy couldn't get it done in the 1st six games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Just curious about Travis Henry. Beings that the Eagles are now reported as being interested in Henry I just want to know what you all think are his flaws and his best attributes are. Also, does he seem to be a "locker room" guy? Thanks for the input. I'm just wanting to know what we get if we do actually trade for him. 307653[/snapback] i'm going to attempt to interject with what i believe is a fair assessment of travis henry, uncolored by my rooting interests: pros: -- hits the hole hard, is a tremendously tough-nosed runner. -- has a nose for the end zone. -- receiving skills are underrated; has decent hands. -- has high threshold for pain. -- rarely goes down with the first hit. cons: -- blitz pickups a real weak point. -- questionable attitude; did not respond well when mcgahee was drafted. -- for being such a powerful runner, is not as "automatic" in short yardage situations as one would expect. -- lacks breakaway speed. -- has a noted learning disability, which may prevent him from functioning optimally in a complex system (may account for difficulty w/ things such as blitz pickups, etc.). -- previously had difficulty with fumbling; may have corrected this though. all in all, TH is an above-average RB who, as a team's feature back, should rank in the top 15 in terms of yards rushing and TDs. his deficiencies may be masked if he is not asked to do too much. he's not a "change of pace" back -- he's a workhorse, and needs to tote the rock 20-25 times a game in order to wear opponents down. that's all i got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I think you may have a 'Henry' type back already signed. Eric McCoo.I remember him from his Red Bank Regional (NJ shore) days. I don't know why he went undrafted after finishing his Penn State career as the team's 9th all-time rusher. I know that he tore up his knee trying to make the Bears a couple years back. If he's fully recovered, and has overcome whatever scared NFL scouts away in '02, he will make the Eagles '05 roster and contribute. 307761[/snapback] Penn St. backs historically have not done well in the NFL. Especially ones with bad knee injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Remember he was supposed to do the same thing last year and fight offa competing tailbak in McGahee.....and the guy couldn't get it done in the 1st six games... 307765[/snapback] Travis was terrible last year but for the first six games everyone on offense was terrible. Virtually everyone. The offense was not learned yet. The line was banged up and played awful. Drew was extremely erratic. Moulds was dropping balls. Reed and Shaw were stumbling bad and dropping passes. Every play someone else would miss an assignment. Evans had yet to make it on the field much. The TEs were non-existent. Shelton hadn't hit his stride. The play-calling was erratic and suspect. Even Willis when he played was sluggish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Penn St. backs historically have not done well in the NFL. Especially ones with bad knee injuries. 307772[/snapback] I don't want to make this about McCoo, but was he previously injured at State? That would explain his going undrafted. I only heard about the injury he suffered in Bears camp. Just curious as to what happenned to him. Agree about State backs. "The Bills, with their first pick of the 1981 draft, choose Booker Moore of Penn State". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Penn St. backs historically have not done well in the NFL. Especially ones with bad knee injuries. 307772[/snapback] what about lydell mitchell and franco harris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJsackedagain Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Travis will be one of the best backs in the league if he should learn better pass blocking skills. His fumbles are a thing of the past. 307679[/snapback] He didn't fumble much last year --- BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PLAY!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 He didn't fumble much last year --- BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PLAY!!!! 307864[/snapback] Over 100 touches. Plenty of time to fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 A couple points I haven't heard anyone mention: Travis is extremely strong. I think he bench presses 435 lbs. (Anyone else remember this?) Travis seemed to like contact and would often play stronger after he got hit a couple times. His endurance was good and he would often do well late in games when the opponents looked tired of throwing themselves at him. I'd say he hit as hard as most LBs, so if the hit wasn't square, he'd keep rolling, and definitely gave as many hits as he took. Negatives: as others have alluded to, Travis does not have good balance, or vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 what about lydell mitchell and franco harris? 307859[/snapback] Couple of great ones, no doubt. Here's the list of PSU ball-carriers drafted into the NFL. Many hopefuls, but only a few had careers of any note. 2004 Sean McHugh FB - Titans 2003 Larry Johnson RB - Chiefs 2002 Omar Easy RB - Chiefs 2001 NONE 2000 NONE 1999 NONE 1998 Curtis Enis RB - Bears 1997 NONE 1996 Jon Witman RB - Steelers Brian Milne RB - Colts Stephen Pitts RB - 49ers Mike Archie RB - Oilers 1995 Ki-Jana Carter RB - Bengals 1994 NONE 1993 Richie Anderson RB - Jets 1992 Sam Gash FB - Patriots 1991 Leroy Thompson RB - Steelers Gary Brown RB - Oilers 1990 Blair Thomas RB - Jets 1989 NONE 1988 NONE 1987 D.J. Dozier RB - Vikings Tim Manoa RB - Browns Steve Smith RB - Raiders 1986 Tony Mumford RB - Patriots 1985 NONE 1984 Jonathan Williams RB - Patriots 1983 Curt Warner RB - Seahawks 1982 Mike Meade RB - Packers 1981 Booker Moore RB - Bills 1980 Matt Suhey RB - Bears Mike Guman RB - Rams 1979 Bob Torrey RB - Giants 1978 Steve Geise RB - Bengals 1977 NONE 1976 NONE 1975 Tom Donchez RB - Bills 1974 John Cappelletti RB - Rams 1973 NONE 1972 Franco Harris RB - Steelers Lydell Mitchell RB - Colts 1971 NONE 1970 Charlie Pittman RB - Cardinals 1969 Bob Campbell RB - Steelers 1968 NONE 1967 Mike Irwin RB - Bills 1966 Don Kunit RB - Cowboys 1965 NONE 1964 Tom Urbanik FB - Redskins 1963 Dave Hayes FB - Colts 1962 Roger Kochman RB - Cardinals Al Gursky RB - Giants 1961 James Kerr RB - Redskins Don Jonas RB - Eagles 1960 NONE 1959 NONE 1958 NONE 1957 NONE 1956 Lenny Moore RB - Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Henry is the perfect complement to Westbrook. He will get all the tough yards that Westbrook doesn't and they could play in the backfield at the same time. Henry is a workhorse and if used properly is a quality starting RB. Unfortunately, McGahee is also a workhorse type back with better escapibility and at 100% has better break-away speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Henry is the perfect complement to Westbrook. He will get all the tough yards that Westbrook doesn't and they could play in the backfield at the same time. Henry is a workhorse and if used properly is a quality starting RB. Unfortunately, McGahee is also a workhorse type back with better escapibility and at 100% has better break-away speed. 307901[/snapback] I didn't think they have re-signed Westbrook yet. If they don't, they need a back that is a big part of the pass offense - which is likely not TH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Pluses: He has good stats that make him very marketable He can bench press a lot of weight Minuses: He sucks He's stupid .the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Pluses: He has good stats that make him very marketable He can bench press a lot of weight Minuses: He sucks He's stupid .the end. 307928[/snapback] Perfectly put! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownments22 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 A couple points I haven't heard anyone mention: Travis is extremely strong. I think he bench presses 435 lbs. (Anyone else remember this?) Perfectly put! 307932[/snapback] i heard during a game cast on cbs that it was 495 pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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