Doc Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Be careful when giving advice to Gene. He might very well take that advice just to spite you. No, he only listens to liberals and follows everything they say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, spartacus said: it does for thousands of doctors and their patients using it treat the virus. could be why the US health system is not being overrun with all of these new cases for some reason, it just does not work in rigged in studies run by big pharma Thousands of people swear by homeopathy. Doesn't mean it works. 55 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. Like I said, follow the (big pharma) money. Bet a lot of them have tons of shares of Gilead. Sure, ok...does it work yet? Did adding zinc do the trick? I'm looking forward to this ending the pandemic that already ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Sure, ok...does it work yet? Did adding zinc do the trick? I'm looking forward to this ending the pandemic that already ended. Broken record. Broken record. Broken record. Tell your puppet masters to change it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Doc said: Broken record. Broken record. Broken record. Tell your puppet masters to change it. No *****, dude. I've been hearing about this cure for months. Some evidence would be nice. Is it too much to ask that the miracle cure to have some data behind it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 This thread is still open? LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 The believers keep bumping it with stories about how the man is trying to keep it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: The believers keep bumping it with stories about how the man is trying to keep it down. LOL! Who are the ones who keep posting links to stories about studies that quickly become discredited? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: No *****, dude. I've been hearing about this cure for months. Some evidence would be nice. Is it too much to ask that the miracle cure to have some data behind it? Can't recall anyone in Trump Admin or through media calling it a cure. The claims have been that it can somewhat reduce the severity and recovery time for some with the virus or have some preventative benefits.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Doc said: LOL! Who are the ones who keep posting links to stories about studies that quickly become discredited? Look at every recent bump in this thread. I know you're not concerned with facts, but really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/17/2020 at 2:45 PM, Koko78 said: Take some of the fish tank cleaner and let us know. https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1273363251049398274 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/17/2020 at 11:28 PM, Gene Frenkle said: Look at every recent bump in this thread. I know you're not concerned with facts, but really... Oh, the hypocrisy! 1 hour ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1273363251049398274 You know how I knew the original story was bogus? Because they're Dems and they never do anything Trump says. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 HCQ No Longer Approved Even a Little for COVID-19 — Study after study showed no benefit, and now the FDA has had enough A letter from the agency to the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) detailed the FDA's concerns, including that suggested dosing regimens are "unlikely to produce an antiviral effect," and said "decreased viral shedding" from treatment with these drugs, noted in some observational studies, "has not been consistently replicated." While current FDA guidelines did not recommend use of the drugs outside of a randomized clinical trial, the FDA also pointed to recent data from a large clinical trial showing no "evidence of benefit" for mortality, effect on hospital length of stay, or need for mechanical ventilation among COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine. The FDA originally granted an EUA to HCQ on March 28, 2020. This may be the end for the controversial drug as COVID-19 therapy; study after study found no benefit in the drug among hospitalized patients or as post-exposure prophylaxis. It will remain available for its previously approved conditions, which include rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus as well as malaria, and can still be prescribed off-label at physicians' discretion. Without the EUA, however, third-party reimbursement may become harder to secure for COVID-19 cases, and malpractice litigation easier to win if patients suffer adverse events. Also, access to HCQ and CQ in the National Strategic Stockpile for use in COVID-19 patients will now end. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87066 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: HCQ No Longer Approved Even a Little for COVID-19 — Study after study showed no benefit, and now the FDA has had enough A letter from the agency to the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) detailed the FDA's concerns, including that suggested dosing regimens are "unlikely to produce an antiviral effect," and said "decreased viral shedding" from treatment with these drugs, noted in some observational studies, "has not been consistently replicated." While current FDA guidelines did not recommend use of the drugs outside of a randomized clinical trial, the FDA also pointed to recent data from a large clinical trial showing no "evidence of benefit" for mortality, effect on hospital length of stay, or need for mechanical ventilation among COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine. The FDA originally granted an EUA to HCQ on March 28, 2020. This may be the end for the controversial drug as COVID-19 therapy; study after study found no benefit in the drug among hospitalized patients or as post-exposure prophylaxis. It will remain available for its previously approved conditions, which include rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus as well as malaria, and can still be prescribed off-label at physicians' discretion. Without the EUA, however, third-party reimbursement may become harder to secure for COVID-19 cases, and malpractice litigation easier to win if patients suffer adverse events. Also, access to HCQ and CQ in the National Strategic Stockpile for use in COVID-19 patients will now end. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87066 That is great news. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8470505/Gilead-prices-coronavirus-drug-2-340-rich-countries.html Remdesivir will work just fine https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8471281/Covid-19-treatment-hopes-dashed-trial-promising-HIV-drug-reveals-does-NOT-work.html Kaletra will also work for you. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: That is great news. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8470505/Gilead-prices-coronavirus-drug-2-340-rich-countries.html Remdesivir will work just fine https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8471281/Covid-19-treatment-hopes-dashed-trial-promising-HIV-drug-reveals-does-NOT-work.html Kaletra will also work for you. Good luck. This is the HCQ thread. You can start another for Remdesivir, which doesn't work very well either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: This is the HCQ thread. You can start another for Remdesivir, which doesn't work very well either. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Reality Check said: How do you know? Cause science? I mean Remdesivir seems to shorten hospital stays, maybe. Not exactly a silver bullet. HCQ seems to just make things worse, which is why it's being abandoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: Cause science? I mean Remdesivir seems to shorten hospital stays, maybe. Not exactly a silver bullet. HCQ seems to just make things worse, which is why it's being abandoned. Have you actually read any of the scientific studies from these researchers, or do you just take abbreviated stories at face value taking solace in the fact that "scientists" were involved? Why is the sky blue? science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Have you actually read any of the scientific studies from these researchers, or do you just take abbreviated stories at face value taking solace in the fact that "scientists" were involved? Why is the sky blue? science You can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it. Are you saying I'm wrong. Does HCQ finally work now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: You can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it. Are you saying I'm wrong. Does HCQ finally work now? Yes it does work. I don't have to stick my head up a bull's ass, when I know physicians in the military that gave me advice on it and have successfully treated it with HCQ and Zinc. Zero fatalities.. I take their advice over the FDA any day. You can blindly follow the FDA's recommendation all you want, that is absolutely your right to choose what you think is best for you. I and others will do the same. I wonder the Chinese are doing to treat it. Being such a trusted friend, I am sure that they will continue to help us with the "pandemic" they exported to the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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