There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Orlando Buffalo]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Does he have a condition that makes the mask difficult for him wear? Otherwise he should just wear the mask- him using this as his moment to shine makes him stupid.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Does he have a condition that makes the mask difficult for him wear? Otherwise he should just wear the mask- him using this as his moment to shine makes him stupid.

Maybe he does, maybe he does not. In any event, it certainly is not a "law."

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

This is such an annoying comment, it pretends that DeSantis is pushing people to go to bars and other crowded places. I will make it simple for liberals: if you do not want to go out please stay home. The Governor has given people the ability to make there own choice which is not something the needing homes in NYC were given by Cuomo.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

This is such an annoying comment, it pretends that DeSantis is pushing people to go to bars and other crowded places. I will make it simple for liberals: if you do not want to go out please stay home. The Governor has given people the ability to make there own choice which is not something the needing homes in NYC were given by Cuomo.

 

...don't you find it interesting that after the MSM approved "protests and riots" getting an obvious Covid-19 exemption, that we're back to SOLELY the number of cases?.....but...no mention of increased testing, symptomatic vs asymptotic, age categories, nursing homes, et al?.....how come with the potential of Ebola or SARS did we not see this type of daily scrutiny?....cannot be politically reporting driven (COUGH).............

[B-Man]

 

Americans Should Never Again Comply With Pandemic Lockdown Orders. 

 

The obvious politicization and incompetence of our public health authorities means that people won’t listen next time the way they listened this time.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Americans Should Never Again Comply With Pandemic Lockdown Orders. 

 

The obvious politicization and incompetence of our public health authorities means that people won’t listen next time the way they listened this time.

This is tough. Never say never, but the trust that was put in the "experts" this time... how can we trust those selfsame "experts" that were so terribly wrong this time,  next time?

 

[B-Man]

 

DID THE MASSIVE RALLIES OF THE PAST FEW WEEKS REALLY HAPPEN:

 

The Washington Post has this story, about foreign bigwigs being astounded by what the article describes as the Trump administration’s inept handling of the coronavirus, and what they see as the U.S. giving up on containing it.

 

I don’t think any of our elites come off especially well in how they have handled the virus, but I do seem to recall this series of events, which is entirely absent from the Post article:

 

(1) Hundreds of thousands of people coming out in the streets with little social distancing in defiance of all previous public health guidance;

 

(2) various mayors and governors who had been among the strictest in fining, denouncing, and generally bullying anyone who defied social distancing guidelines not only not trying to break up these gatherings, not only leaving them alone, but actually

 

(3) attending them, encouraging their attendees, and praising them;

 

(4) various respected public health experts, who had previously been adamant about banning large public gatherings, at best not saying anything (with very few exceptions) and in many cases actually praising the gatherings as a net benefit to public health;

 

(5) leading to even more people coming out on the streets in defiance of all prior public health guidance on social distancing, tens of thousands at a time all over the country;

 

(6) leading to the utter breakdown of obedience by the rest of the population to any distancing guidelines, as many people who had been banned from attending church, funerals, opening their businesses, and so on figured that the people who had been insisting on strict social distancing were frauds and liars.

 

 

But since the Washington Post couldn’t find a single foreign observer to comment on such a remarkable chain of events, and since in any event they can’t be blamed on Trump, they must never have happened, must be my imagination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

HOW TO RECOVER FROM THE SHUTDOWNS

 

The shutdowns that almost every governor imposed in response to the COVID-19 epidemic devastated the nation’s economy, unemploying tens of millions and bringing many industries to a standstill. With the country now gradually beginning to re-open, the financial markets appear to be anticipating a rapid return to prosperity. But that will depend, in considerable part, on the wisdom of policies that are adopted at both the federal and state levels.

 

What, exactly, can our governments do to put the effects of the calamitous shutdowns behind us? That question will be addressed on Tuesday, June 23, in a webinar co-hosted by Chris Phelan, Chairman of the Department of Economics at the University of Minnesota, and John Phelan (no relation), an economist at Center of the American Experiment. The webinar will begin at noon, and you can register here. Phelan and Phelan will address such questions as, what is the current state of our economy? Did media sensationalism and shutdown policies do more damage than the disease itself? And what can be done to nurse the economy back to health?

 

MORE AT THE LINK:

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

LET IT DIE: 

 

MLBPA Votes Against MLB Season Restart Proposal. 

 

 

Major league sports are all woke now, so let them go broke.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Malls, gyms, movie theaters won't open in New York's phase four
 

Malls, movie theaters and gyms are not cleared to reopen during phase four in New York, even as coronavirus cases have dwindled and the rate of infection in the state is among the lowest in the nation.
 

Robert F. Mujica Jr., the state's budget director, informed local leaders — meeting as a reopening "control room" — of the governor's decision on a conference call Tuesday afternoon.
 

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[Cinga]

On 6/18/2020 at 3:59 PM, Buffalo Timmy said:

Does he have a condition that makes the mask difficult for him wear? Otherwise he should just wear the mask- him using this as his moment to shine makes him stupid.

Due to HIPPA laws, that's actually none of your business.

[Orlando Buffalo]

52 minutes ago, Cinga said:

Due to HIPPA laws, that's actually none of your business.

My point is that wearing the mask is good even if it is not a law. Being smart and a good neighbor should not require a government to make us. 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Cinga said:

Due to *HIPAA laws, that's actually none of your business.

 

[RocCityRoller]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

My point is that wearing the mask is good even if it is not a law. Being smart and a good neighbor should not require a government to make us. 

 

Buffalo Timmy, I agree the government shouldn't make a law abiding citizen do anything, and common sense should prevail. So allow me to put this in perspective for you:

 

Though I agree, that 'smart and good behavior' you note, and that the 'Karens' all over the USA try to call people out for, isn't backed by the FDA:

 

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/face-masks-and-surgical-masks-covid-19-manufacturing-purchasing-importing-and-donating-masks-during

Q: Is there a difference between a mask and a respirator?

A: Masks and respirators both cover a wearer’s nose and mouth, but they differ in several aspects.

Masks are loose fitting and may not provide full protection from breathing in airborne pathogens, such as viruses.

• Face masks (non-surgical masks) may not provide protection from fluids or may not filter particles, needed to protect against pathogens, such as viruses. They are not for surgical use and are not considered personal protective equipment.
• Surgical masks are fluid-resistant, disposable, and loose-fitting devices that create a physical barrier between the mouth and nose of the wearer and the immediate environment. They are for use in surgical settings and do not provide full protection from inhalation of airborne pathogens, such as viruses.

Respirators are personal protective equipment that tightly fit the face and filter airborne particles to protect health care workers. They provide a higher level of protection against viruses and bacteria when properly fit-tested. This document does not address respirators.

This CDC infographic explains the differences between surgical masks and N95 respirators.

 

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Buffalo Timmy, I also think laws and common sense should apply to everyone, despite their color or gender.

 

From Lincoln County, Oregon:

Face Covering Directive
Order 6/17/2020—Face Covering Directive (signed directive in Supporting Documents—below)

General directive: All individuals (I fixed their spelling) in Lincoln County are required to wear face coverings during any indoor public setting or outdoor public location where a person will be in within six feet of another individual, who does not share the same household.

Exceptions:

• Persons with health/medical conditions that preclude or are exacerbated by wearing a face covering.
• Children under the age of 12. Children over the age of 2 but under the age of 12 are encouraged to wear face coverings but not required to do so.
• Persons with disabilities that prevents them from using the face covering as described in this Directive. These persons must be reasonably accommodated to allow them access to goods and services.
• People of color who have heightened concerns about racial profiling and harassment due to wearing face coverings in public.

So the good people of Lincoln County Oregon, Democrat held btw, feel wearing a mask may be considered racist, so the laws apply to some people, but not others based on their color. I think there is a word or term for that. Help me out, what is the word when laws/directives apply to one race but not another?.....

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Lastly, who is this Brandon Straka guy you asked? Why would he be singled out?

 

On 6/18/2020 at 3:59 PM, Buffalo Timmy said:

Does he have a condition that makes the mask difficult for him wear? Otherwise he should just wear the mask- him using this as his moment to shine makes him stupid.

 

Buffalo Timmy, Brandon Straka is a white gay man who spoke out against the Democrat party a few years ago. He led to a movement called 'Walk Away'. You may have heard of it. His video eloquently led to many people having the strength to speak up. He has over 700k views and have led to thousands of Walk Away videos. It is where former Democrats and leftists have 'walked away' from the Democrat Party in recent years given many, many reasons. Why would he be targeted? I'll let Brandon speak for himself:

 

 

Listening to it now is stronger than it even was back then.

 

Thanks for bringing it up.

 

Why would Brandon Straka be picked out?

 

Thank you Buffalo Timmy for helping expose the BS guidelines to wear masks in public, the racial differences brought up in a society uncertain as to how to deal with COVID, but puts minority Americans more a risk if masks actually do anything, and for helping me bring up 'Walk Away' again. Solid days work Buffalo TImmy.

 

[RocCityRoller]

On 6/15/2020 at 6:39 PM, Koko78 said:

 

Payroll taxes are paid by the employer.

The employer is responsible for collecting the employee and employer portion, and paying it to the Fed government, and accounting for it on the 940/941

 

The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total

 

Only the social security tax has a wage base limit. The wage base limit is the maximum wage that's subject to the tax for that year. For earnings in 2020, this base is $137,700.

 

Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% total.

 

Employers are responsible for withholding the 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax on an individual's wages paid in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year, without regard to filing status. An employer is required to begin withholding Additional Medicare Tax in the pay period in which it pays wages in excess of $200,000 to an employee and continue to withhold it each pay period until the end of the calendar year. There's no employer match for Additional Medicare Tax.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

On 6/19/2020 at 12:40 PM, B-Man said:

 

Americans Should Never Again Comply With Pandemic Lockdown Orders. 

 

The obvious politicization and incompetence of our public health authorities means that people won’t listen next time the way they listened this time.

Americans should do what they believe is in their best interest. Ideally they would educate themselves on the matter enough to make a decision. 

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Americans should do what they believe is in their best interest. Ideally they would educate themselves on the matter enough to make a decision. 

  I still think that Cuomo is planning for a late fall shutdown although there are now more obstacles in that road.  Does he make use of the state police to enforce it because he knows a shutdown will be met with great resistance?

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I still think that Cuomo is planning for a late fall shutdown although there are now more obstacles in that road.  Does he make use of the state police to enforce it because he knows a shutdown will be met with great resistance?

If the statistics point to that being necessary in a localized area it shouldn't be a problem, but don't force those requirements onto western New York if the city is the issue. And they never really wanted to shut down anyway. You want to shut down NYC? Shut off the subway (and sterilize it while you're at it).

 

If statistics do not warrant a shutdown his attempt will absolutely be met with resistance. 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If the statistics point to that being necessary in a localized area it shouldn't be a problem, but don't force those requirements onto western New York if the city is the issue. And they never really wanted to shut down anyway. You want to shut down NYC? Shut off the subway (and sterilize it while you're at it).

 

If statistics do not warrant a shutdown his attempt will absolutely be met with resistance. 

  What if his "data" points to a shutdown of Buffalo and Rochester?  I still believe that it would not be necessary to shutdown the rest of the region but he may decide otherwise due to hospital bed issues or some other reason.  No reason to shutdown Jamestown, Olean, Hornell, Batavia, Geneva, etc. but he may do so and he might instruct the state police that they are not allowed to be passive in the matter.

[spartacus]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If the statistics point to that being necessary in a localized area it shouldn't be a problem, but don't force those requirements onto western New York if the city is the issue. And they never really wanted to shut down anyway. You want to shut down NYC? Shut off the subway (and sterilize it while you're at it).

 

If statistics do not warrant a shutdown his attempt will absolutely be met with resistance. 

manipulated numbers are not statistics to base policy on

where are the "statistics" for recoveries and treatment success?

you know the things that impact overwhelming the hopitals