There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

LET’S GET BACK TO WORK: 

 

The W.H.O. Just Gave Us Another Great Reason to End the Coronavirus Lockdowns RIGHT NOW. 

 

“Asymptomatic people with the coronavirus are not driving the spread of the virus.”

 

 

This is probably misleadingly confusing aymptomatic with pre-symptomatic. Pre-symptomatic people have been shown to spread the virus and cause outbreaks. 

 

So I doubt this is the good news we hope it sounds like. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

"give up my liberties" shut the ***** up man

 

being on lockdown saved hundreds of thousands of lives. how come white people still don't understand this. 

 

people in this thread think going to play baseball is more important than fighting for human rights. wow the white privilege is insane. 

 

I kind of find that insulting all different kinds of people love baseball.  People still can fight for human rights as well.

[spartacus]

33 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

This is probably misleadingly confusing aymptomatic with pre-symptomatic. Pre-symptomatic people have been shown to spread the virus and cause outbreaks. 

 

So I doubt this is the good news we hope it sounds like. 

at this point, more cases is better as it gets us closer to herd immunity  faster 

sure is strange that there is minimal coverage regarding the need for hospital & ICU beds

[RiotAct]

7 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

"give up my liberties" shut the ***** up man

 

being on lockdown saved hundreds of thousands of lives. how come white people still don't understand this. 

 

people in this thread think going to play baseball is more important than fighting for human rights. wow the white privilege is insane. 

 

MuH rIgHtS!!!!!!

[GG]

On 5/29/2020 at 12:02 PM, Magox said:

 

I certainly hope that they don't have to.  But I don't think they are eliminating that possibility. But you are right though, there are political implications.    But I do think it's gonna get awfully hairy.

 

The latest scuttlebut on the fixed income market is whether the banks will remain healthy enough to support the heavily indebted companies through year-end.   Right now, companies have plenty of cash because most borrowed as much as they could at the start of the pandemic.  That cash will probably run out by the end of the year for weaker companies, depending on the resumption of economic activity.

 

Corporate defaults are fully correlated to availability of funding from their lenders in a classic circular formula.   Right now, banks are flush with cash and are still supporting their clients.  That support will start to separate across industries and companies that are not likely to survive post pandemic.

 

The good news on all that is that the corporate default expectations by the banks are probably going to be more optimistic.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[Penfield45]

14 hours ago, RiotAct said:

 

MuH rIgHtS!!!!!!

So you are mocking black Americans dying at the hands of police officers now? How childish 

[RiotAct]

11 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

So you are mocking black Americans dying at the hands of police officers now? How childish 

we’re in a pandemic, dude.  Pretty selfish of people to be cramming themselves in with others and exposing countless others to COVID-19 (which they could then take to their elderly relatives and kill them), wouldn’t you agree?

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

we’re in a pandemic, dude.  Pretty selfish of people to be cramming themselves in with others and exposing countless others to COVID-19 (which they could then take to their elderly relatives and kill them), wouldn’t you agree?

Cries of racism ‘trumps’ everything...you should know that by now!

[B-Man]

 

 

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[B-Man]

EVEN THEIR STRONGEST SUPPORTERS THINK THE PUBLIC-HEALTH COMMUNITY HAS SCREWED THE POOCH HERE:

 

By supporting, or at least tolerating, the protests, officials seem to have declared the pandemic less important than they previously made out. To some Trump supporters, the double standard validates their belief that the shutdown was a political ploy to hurt the president’s reelection prospects by harming the economy. To others, it shows that what really matters is who suffers: small businesses are fair game, left-wing protesters aren’t.

 

Yep. This is a historic failure. Plus:

“Flatten the curve” worked as a slogan, because most Americans wanted to avoid overrun hospitals. They didn’t want what happened in Lombardy to happen here. And, outside of New York City, flattening the curve has worked. Hospitals have been able to cope with the influx of COVID-19 patients.

 

But once you’ve solved that problem, then what? Officials never offered a coherent and realistic plan for going forward. Epidemiologists, people began to suspect, would demand that we stay home forever — or at least until a vaccine worked — never mind the economic, mental and physical toll. But the public was never going to tolerate a year-plus shutdown.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

RETAIL SUPPORT BRIGADE SITREP:

So Helen and I paid our first visit to the recently reopened West Town Mall in like three months plus. It was a little sad. A number of smaller stores were closed — though to my relief, Mori Luggage, run by a nice lady, had just moved to a better location — and quite a few of the open ones had sentinels at the door who would disinfect your hands and tell you not to touch things. (To be fair, it was places like Sephora whose combination of frequent shoplifters and reduced staffs may have led to the gatekeeper approach.)

 

Most people weren’t wearing masks, though all store employees were. All seating was covered with yellow tape. You really didn’t need a mask, because there weren’t many people around. All told, kind of depressing. More fun needed.

 Posted at 10:25 pm by Glenn Reynolds

[B-Man]

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: The Bitter Irony of Revolutions.

Social distancing and mandated lockdowns for months have been the source of endless fighting between the people and their governments. Red and blue states often adopted diametrically opposite policies.

 

But the massive demonstrations and rioting saw hundreds of thousands of protesters jammed together and often without masks. That mass disobedience to quarantining will teach us, better than any university modeling, whether the virus spikes or is indifferent to thousands who congregate in the streets.

 

The lockdowns were politically weaponized during this election year. Blue states thought the sinking economy would hurt President Trump’s reelection bid. Red states wanted to open up as quickly as possible to get the economy back and running before November.

 

Yet the mass progressive protests and violence forced an unplanned end to mass quarantining — and thereby inadvertently helped jumpstart the country back to business. Those who despise Trump may have done the most to help him.

 

 

It’s VDH, so read the whole thing.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

PANDEMIC SHUTDOWN FALLOUT: Starbucks to close 400 stores. 

 

Prediction — many, perhaps most, of these closed stores will be in urban areas where there has been unrest and looting. Big losers: Poor urbanites and minorities who need a safe place with free wi-fi to work and study.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Gathering Is Essential – Unless You’re Republican

by Liz Harrington

 

Original Article

 

Destroying a business is tolerated, reopening one forbidden. Democrats are bailing out rioters, and sending salon owners to prison. Going to church is worse than trying to burn it down. Protesting is a threat to public health, until experts declare your cause worthy enough. These are the new, ever-changing rules of Democrats’ America. We’ll forgive you if you have a hard time keeping up – but they won’t.

 

After months shaming Americans who had the audacity to want to reopen their businesses safely as COVID-19 cases waned, social distancing is suddenly less important than “social justice,” according to the media’s health “experts.” It was an “ugly and dangerous scene.”

 

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

I recall when that extra $600/week was first approved, and Lindsey wanted to go back and make sure it was not going to pay people in excess of their regular salary (if someone earned $800 a week, and state unemployment gave $400 with the extra $600 they got $1K and so more than when working).  It was said an extension of that $600 to pay people extra was "dead" in the next phase. We shall see.

 

Dems, GOP continue to spar over extension of extra $600 in unemployment benefits

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Lawmakers are at loggerheads over an extension of enhanced unemployment benefits being paid to millions of out-of-work Americans.
 

Congressional Democrats want to continue the extra $600 weekly jobless payments that began when the CARES Act was enacted in March, calling them a financial lifeline that has helped families pay rent and put food on the table.
 

Not extending them would disproportionately disadvantage minority workers, they said.
 

But Republicans, including U.S. Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia, have dug in their heels. They appear resolute in blocking such action, calling the enhanced benefits a disincentive to work that could mute the economic recovery.
 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I recall when that extra $600/week was first approved, and Lindsey wanted to go back and make sure it was not going to pay people in excess of their regular salary (if someone earned $800 a week, and state unemployment gave $400 with the extra $600 they got $1K and so more than when working).  It was said an extension of that $600 to pay people extra was "dead" in the next phase. We shall see.

 

Dems, GOP continue to spar over extension of extra $600 in unemployment benefits

</snip>
 

Lawmakers are at loggerheads over an extension of enhanced unemployment benefits being paid to millions of out-of-work Americans.
 

Congressional Democrats want to continue the extra $600 weekly jobless payments that began when the CARES Act was enacted in March, calling them a financial lifeline that has helped families pay rent and put food on the table.
 

Not extending them would disproportionately disadvantage minority workers, they said.
 

But Republicans, including U.S. Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia, have dug in their heels. They appear resolute in blocking such action, calling the enhanced benefits a disincentive to work that could mute the economic recovery.
 

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...my son has a a landscaping maintenance and hardscape design business.....needs two full-time workers age 18 or more.....applicants' first question is, "can you pay me under the table?".......stay home at a minimum of the $600 gravy train stipend is a deterrent for "back to work"...Treasury Secretary said, "if you refuse work, you're off the train"......enforcement?...NOT......easy to falisfy "efforts(COUGH)" looking for work....$600 stipend allegedly expires July 31 but stay tuned for extension.....

Edited June 13, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy