1B4IDye Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, Magox said: Elon going to war with the left 5 1
Boatdrinks Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Magox said: Elon going to war with the left This Reich is a typical leftist dill hole...Now going to work is being “ subjected “ to Coronavirus to these mental midgets. Guess what ? Covid 19 is now part of the world. We subject ourselves to the world and all of its dangers and pitfalls when we step out the front door everyday. No one can force anyone to report for work. We do that by choice. Someone can choose to stay inside and try to go on permanent disability if they really can’t cope. 2
Boatdrinks Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: How can the airline industry open? I know the right wingers want to blame the government for this pandemic Depression, but the air lines won’t open until people feel safe People will fly, slowly at first but surely. ( stop calling me Shirley lol..) Just like they did after 9/11, although I’m not comparing the two. Just that the effect is the same. People need to get places; some of which you can’t drive to and others where it is logistically impractical. Most level headed people feel safe enough now. Anytime anything opens up there are/ will be people there, because they’re tired of this and know that hiding under a rock is no way to live. Just a look at the twitter shaming when folks flock to a beach will tell you this fear thing is overblown. It’s mostly a media driven narrative to the majority of the population. If the planes are being cleaned that will be enough. Heck, people were still taking that filthy subway in NYC before they even considered cleaning it once a night.
daz28 Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: People will fly, slowly at first but surely. ( stop calling me Shirley lol..) Just like they did after 9/11, although I’m not comparing the two. Just that the effect is the same. People need to get places; some of which you can’t drive to and others where it is logistically impractical. Most level headed people feel safe enough now. Anytime anything opens up there are/ will be people there, because they’re tired of this and know that hiding under a rock is no way to live. Just a look at the twitter shaming when folks flock to a beach will tell you this fear thing is overblown. It’s mostly a media driven narrative to the majority of the population. If the planes are being cleaned that will be enough. Heck, people were still taking that filthy subway in NYC before they even considered cleaning it once a night. You could have Mr. Clean disinfect the plane as good as nature intended, but it's still a narrow tube of aircraft aluminum. I think when we get to talking about heads being literally 10" apart, that changes the discussion. To me they'd be a ship of fools. I know I'd feel like a real dummy if the ICU doctor started talking about intubating me, because I wanted to see the country a few weeks too early. Now for the second part of the discussion. CAN the industry withstand having only half full flights? As notoriously bad at planning as airlines are, they do have fuel prices in their favor. Thank God, but is that enough to keep them going for maybe a year or two of 1/2 full flights?? I wouldn't bet on it.
Reality Check Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Azalin said: That's a gross oversimplification. You may not mean to be, but it seems that you're fine telling everyone who suffer diabetes (of any kind), respiratory issues, or cardiovascular disease, "oh well, you asked for it". BS. I used injuries as an excuse and over a couple years I became pre-diabetic and hypertensive. When I got sick for 3 weeks last December and had all the COVID 19 symptoms including numbness in the limbs, I had to change my ways. I lost 35 lbs since then and the total elimination of simple sugars and industrial cooking oils was the foundation of the changes I made, along with intermittent fasting. I still can't exercise properly until I get my surgeries, but that day approaches slowly but surely. My blood pressure is now normal, and I am no longer pre-diabetic. I know I know, I am supposed to take pharmaceuticals and continue to have no self control over what I put in my body because it's "so difficult". Yeah, it is difficult. Survival and not being a burden on others is difficult. 1
shoshin Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: BS. I used injuries as an excuse and over a couple years I became pre-diabetic and hypertensive. When I got sick for 3 weeks last December and had all the COVID 19 symptoms including numbness in the limbs, I had to change my ways. I lost 35 lbs since then and the total elimination of simple sugars and industrial cooking oils was the foundation of the changes I made, along with intermittent fasting. I still can't exercise properly until I get my surgeries, but that day approaches slowly but surely. My blood pressure is now normal, and I am no longer pre-diabetic. I know I know, I am supposed to take pharmaceuticals and continue to have no self control over what I put in my body because it's "so difficult". Yeah, it is difficult. Survival and not being a burden on others is difficult. Your lecturing from on high notwithstanding, I am not going to ***** on older people and those with health risks because of who they are or lifestyle decisions. We need to reopen. Some people are at risk through natural causes or lifestyle, and we need to take precautions to keep them as safe as we reasonably can. New Yorkers, liberals, conservatives, young, old, fit, obese—let’s try to do right by Americans eh? 1
Reality Check Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Your lecturing from on high notwithstanding, I am not going to ***** on older people and those with health risks because of who they are or lifestyle decisions. We need to reopen. Some people are at risk through natural causes or lifestyle, and we need to take precautions to keep them as safe as we reasonably can. New Yorkers, liberals, conservatives, young, old, fit, obese—let’s try to do right by Americans eh? Lecturing? Forget what I said. Eat whatever you want, do what ever you want, pop whatever pills your doctor pushes, and when you guys feel safe again, let the rest of us know when we can get to live our lives again. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings since that is clearly priority one these days. Make sure you eat lots of sugar and processed food today, and think of me. I apologize for giving hope to anyone who even imagines being able to help themselves. Damn I am a horrible person.
shoshin Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Lecturing? Forget what I said. Eat whatever you want, do what ever you want, pop whatever pills your doctor pushes, and when you guys feel safe again, let the rest of us know when we can get to live our lives again. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings since that is clearly priority one these days. Make sure you eat lots of sugar and processed food today, and think of me. I apologize for giving hope to anyone who even imagines being able to help themselves. Damn I am a horrible person. ^^^Yes, lecturing.^^^ *** Yesterday’s low and probably today’s are very low on deaths. Tuesday through Thursday will be interesting. PA drove a lot of count last week as it dumped a lot of deaths into the week from recounted data. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us top out in the 1800s or less this week. Edited May 11, 2020 by shoshin
Reality Check Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, shoshin said: ^^^Yes, lecturing.^^^ *** Yesterday’s low and probably today’s are very low on deaths. Tuesday through Thursday will be interesting. PA drove a lot of count last week as it dumped a lot of deaths into the week from recounted data. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us top out in the 1800s or less this week. You are correct, I will leave the daily lecturing to you. Let me know when I can live my life again.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: People will fly, slowly at first but surely. ( stop calling me Shirley lol..) Just like they did after 9/11, although I’m not comparing the two. Just that the effect is the same. People need to get places; some of which you can’t drive to and others where it is logistically impractical. Most level headed people feel safe enough now. Anytime anything opens up there are/ will be people there, because they’re tired of this and know that hiding under a rock is no way to live. Just a look at the twitter shaming when folks flock to a beach will tell you this fear thing is overblown. It’s mostly a media driven narrative to the majority of the population. If the planes are being cleaned that will be enough. Heck, people were still taking that filthy subway in NYC before they even considered cleaning it once a night. No way people feel safe now. And no way people will feel safe being crammed into a flying tube. Not unless there is instant testing. And this is interesting, 1968 pandemic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu
shoshin Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No way people feel safe now. And no way people will feel safe being crammed into a flying tube. Not unless there is instant testing. And this is interesting, 1968 pandemic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu I'll take a trip once my state is open for business and one of the places I'd normally fly to for business like Sweden is happy to accept travelers...and businesses are happy to have visitors. Fear of being in the tube won't keep me from doing it--only practical considerations like being able to do business and being somewhat confident I'm not a spreader will keep me home. 1
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, shoshin said: I'll take a trip once my state is open for business and one of the places I'd normally fly to for business like Sweden is happy to accept travelers...and businesses are happy to have visitors. Fear of being in the tube won't keep me from doing it--only practical considerations like being able to do business and being somewhat confident I'm not a spreader will keep me home. Shoeshin....fear of being in the tube? Are you in London? 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, shoshin said: I'll take a trip once my state is open for business and one of the places I'd normally fly to for business like Sweden is happy to accept travelers...and businesses are happy to have visitors. Fear of being in the tube won't keep me from doing it--only practical considerations like being able to do business and being somewhat confident I'm not a spreader will keep me home. You might, but the point is that many, many won’t. Do you think the airlines, which run on thin margins, can survive unless most people feel safe?
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: You might, but the point is that many, many won’t. Do you think the airlines, which run on thin margins, can survive unless most people feel safe? Tibs: what’s something worth? Answer: What people are willing to pay for it. 1
Reality Check Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Tibs: what’s something worth? Answer: What people are willing to pay for it. That used to be true, now it is how much the bank is willing to "lend" to you. That is where price discovery is at these days. Banks stop lending, everything contracts. They stop lending long enough, and prices collapse to almost nothing. The credit system has prime control over pricing trends in the aggregate.
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: That used to be true, now it is how much the bank is willing to "lend" to you. That is where price discovery is at these days. Banks stop lending, everything contracts. They stop lending long enough, and prices collapse to almost nothing. The credit system has prime control over pricing trends in the aggregate. OK? But he asked if people would be willing to fly. A lot of the answer will be in found in how much an airline ticket costs.
Reality Check Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: OK? But he asked if people would be willing to fly. A lot of the answer will be in found in how much an airline ticket costs. True, but remember, everyone is getting a debt infusion of liquidity to maintain the very options that you describe. Again, without the extension of that liquidity from our credit system, those options disappear entirely. We keep glancing over the fact that even last Fall, the banking system required trillions of dollars remain viable.
Chef Jim Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: OK? But he asked if people would be willing to fly. A lot of the answer will be in found in how much an airline ticket costs. I got an email last week from my wife with the subject line HOLY CRAP. She found round trip tickets to St Thomas (we rent a house in St John on a regular basis) for $337 with only one stop in Miami. She was very ready to pull the trigger. Does anyone know if the USVI beaches are open? ?
Azalin Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Reality Check said: BS. I used injuries as an excuse and over a couple years I became pre-diabetic and hypertensive. When I got sick for 3 weeks last December and had all the COVID 19 symptoms including numbness in the limbs, I had to change my ways. I lost 35 lbs since then and the total elimination of simple sugars and industrial cooking oils was the foundation of the changes I made, along with intermittent fasting. I still can't exercise properly until I get my surgeries, but that day approaches slowly but surely. My blood pressure is now normal, and I am no longer pre-diabetic. I know I know, I am supposed to take pharmaceuticals and continue to have no self control over what I put in my body because it's "so difficult". Yeah, it is difficult. Survival and not being a burden on others is difficult. It's not BS and you know it. Using yourself as a template with which to gauge the rest of society is a bit arrogant, don't you think? I'd love to have the opportunity to introduce you to the woman I work with who was born with a hole in her heart, who is perfectly capable of living a normal life but is very susceptible to cardiovascular issues. Or one of my closest friends, who has had diabetes all his life, and is a competitive martial artist and in excellent physical condition. Both of them are at increased risk of becoming seriously ill if exposed to COVID-19. It's great that you did what you had to and began improving your health and quality of life; that's something most of us could stand to do. The fact remains though that we're not all put together the same, and some of us are born at a disadvantage. That disadvantage may be socio-economic in nature, or it could be genetic. Don't be too quick to cast blame on them for something they may have had no control over whatsoever.
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I got an email last week from my wife with the subject line HOLY CRAP. She found round trip tickets to St Thomas (we rent a house in St John on a regular basis) for $337 with only one stop in Miami. She was very ready to pull the trigger. Does anyone know if the USVI beaches are open? ? The real question should be why is your wife emailing you? Can’t she just yell out to you from the other side of the house? You guys have taken this social distancing to the extreme!
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