TBBills Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: I have a friend who's been waiting in a holding room at a hospital for going on 19 hours because they can't get him a recovery room at any of 3 local hospitals. Has a broken wrist and the docs figure he's "ok" waiting a couple days. This is the part of the pandemic where the system can't keep up. But the republicans here in this board kept telling me Hospitals are not overwhelmed...
oldmanfan Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Interesting, but we can’t become children....at least not physically. Our immune system ages with us. But it could lead us towards somehow improving weakened immune systems.
shoshin Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 Federal officials have said they expect to be able to vaccinate the bulk of the U.S. population by the middle of next year, but recent setbacks have challenged those estimates. Pfizer has told the federal government that it may not be able to provide an additional 100 million doses to the United States before the middle of next year because of agreements it has with other countries.
PetermansRedemption Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, shoshin said: Federal officials have said they expect to be able to vaccinate the bulk of the U.S. population by the middle of next year, but recent setbacks have challenged those estimates. Pfizer has told the federal government that it may not be able to provide an additional 100 million doses to the United States before the middle of next year because of agreements it has with other countries. I’d say the bigger hold up is that the bulk of the population doesn’t seem to want it, more so than vaccine availability. Latest poll numbers I’ve seen show a 50/50 split and that number has done nothing but drop over the months of this pandemic. I’m not sure how much a public education campaign can help, but that’s where the feds and local DOH are certainly going to need to start. Edited December 12, 2020 by PetermansRedemption 1
SoTier Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 5 hours ago, shoshin said: I have a friend who's been waiting in a holding room at a hospital for going on 19 hours because they can't get him a recovery room at any of 3 local hospitals. Has a broken wrist and the docs figure he's "ok" waiting a couple days. This is the part of the pandemic where the system can't keep up. 5 hours ago, TBBills said: But the republicans here in this board kept telling me Hospitals are not overwhelmed... Hospital utilization is very uneven depending upon the area. In areas with relatively low community spread like where I live in Chautauqua County the hospitals can function normally, but in areas with higher community spread like in and around Buffalo, the hospitals are stressed as evidenced by not doing elective surgery. In some parts of the country, the conditions are much worse; emergency care has to be rationed so that patients like shoshin's friend who aren't in life threatening situations get shuffled to the end of the line. The biggest issue that's emerging now is the lack of medical personnel. Hospitals can expand their capacities by adding auxiliary facilities in tents or annex buildings but they can't add more doctors and nurses because there aren't any to be had. Governors -- including Cuomo -- are asking retired medical personnel to return to help with the pandemic.
SoTier Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’d say the bigger hold up is that the bulk of the population doesn’t seem to want it, more so than vaccine availability. Latest poll numbers I’ve seen show a 50/50 split and that number has done nothing but drop over the months of this pandemic. I’m not sure how much a public education campaign can help, but that’s where the feds and local DOH are certainly going to need to start. The latest poll which came out yesterday has number of people willing to be vaccinated has grown to about 63% up from around 55-58% in October. I think that people are feeling more confident that the vaccine wasn't rushed to get it out before the election. That the Brits have already started vaccinations without significant issues also makes people more amenable to vaccination. The surging pandemic has probably also made people more willing to be vaccinated.
PetermansRedemption Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, SoTier said: The latest poll which came out yesterday has number of people willing to be vaccinated has grown to about 63% up from around 55-58% in October. I think that people are feeling more confident that the vaccine wasn't rushed to get it out before the election. That the Brits have already started vaccinations without significant issues also makes people more amenable to vaccination. The surging pandemic has probably also made people more willing to be vaccinated. Heading in the right direction then at least. I also wonder how many people will actually make a doctors appointment and go in for these two shots. It’s one thing to say you will, but people are also inherently lazy and, as we have seen, quite selfish.
Big Blitz Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 TBT: “But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.” However, Fauci also cautioned states against reducing social distancing measures too quickly, adding they must take “very significant precautions.” “In general, I think most of the country is doing it in a prudent way,” he said. “There are obviously some situations where people might be jumping over that. I just say please proceed with caution if you’re going to do that.” https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html Saint Fauci, May 22, 2020 Of course I think this was all orchestrated from the get go so. A lot of privileged people that didn’t care what 18 months of "distancing" and closed schools would do to society are about to become extremely wealthy.
Doc Brown Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’d say the bigger hold up is that the bulk of the population doesn’t seem to want it, more so than vaccine availability. Latest poll numbers I’ve seen show a 50/50 split and that number has done nothing but drop over the months of this pandemic. I’m not sure how much a public education campaign can help, but that’s where the feds and local DOH are certainly going to need to start. I liked the idea one of the Senator's had of tying the stimulus money to getting vaccinated. You'd see the 20 through 40 crowd run to their local pharmacy/doctor's office to get there $1600 tax free check. That would accelerate the herd immunity. It would have to wait until the vulnerable get it first of course. 2
SoTier Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I liked the idea one of the Senator's had of tying the stimulus money to getting vaccinated. You'd see the 20 through 40 crowd run to their local pharmacy/doctor's office to get there $1600 tax free check. That would accelerate the herd immunity. It would have to wait until the vulnerable get it first of course. It would certainly force the anti-vaxxers to put their money where their mouths are. 1
PetermansRedemption Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I liked the idea one of the Senator's had of tying the stimulus money to getting vaccinated. You'd see the 20 through 40 crowd run to their local pharmacy/doctor's office to get there $1600 tax free check. That would accelerate the herd immunity. It would have to wait until the vulnerable get it first of course. I also liked that proposal very much. They could tie it into the stimulus bill they already plan on working on. I thought it was a very clever idea when I saw it. You’d get 90+% compliance nearly overnight.
SoCal Deek Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I liked the idea one of the Senator's had of tying the stimulus money to getting vaccinated. You'd see the 20 through 40 crowd run to their local pharmacy/doctor's office to get there $1600 tax free check. That would accelerate the herd immunity. It would have to wait until the vulnerable get it first of course. I like the idea of the Senators getting it first! Now THAT would be a show of leadership and confidence.
TBBills Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I like the idea of the Senators getting it first! Now THAT would be a show of leadership and confidence. They will get it first... If they haven't gotten it already. Don't worry, the wealthy gets it even before people with health problems.
Doc Brown Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I like the idea of the Senators getting it first! Now THAT would be a show of leadership and confidence. Plus, most are in the at risk category anyways. Have the ex presidents get it and all the at risk Senators. Maybe get a prominent athlete like Lebron or Mahomes to take it too. Maybe some celebs like Clint Eastwood or Oprah. 1
TBBills Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 Pro Trump rally today in Washington DC... Most not wearing masks... You know b.c the virus doesn't exist, and masks don't work.
Big Blitz Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 IFR per CDC estimates of 10x actual # of cases is now 0.19 CFR is 1.88 And these numbers would continue to plummet but someone is about to make billions off a vaccine so critical I don't really need it until June. Joke.
SoTier Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: IFR per CDC estimates of 10x actual # of cases is now 0.19 CFR is 1.88 And these numbers would continue to plummet but someone is about to make billions off a vaccine so critical I don't really need it until June. Joke. More Americans are dying of covid-19 and complications from it every day than died on 9/11 or in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Big joke. More Americans have died of covid-19 and complications from in the 10 months since February, 2020 than died in battle during the 45 months of World War II. Big joke.
Big Blitz Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoTier said: More Americans are dying of covid-19 and complications from it every day than died on 9/11 or in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Big joke. More Americans have died of covid-19 and complications from in the 10 months since February, 2020 than died in battle during the 45 months of World War II. Big joke. And? Edit: Those people aren't dying "every day." Edited December 13, 2020 by Big Blitz
Big Blitz Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) We "counted" 100K deaths from March to May 22. 2 months. In the 6 plus months since, it's 200K.....allegedly. In a nation of 330 million people. Doesn't seem to be in the Spanish Flus universe. No one asking if perhaps virus is doing what viruses do and that's become less lethal but more contagious or should I just accept closing schools and 6 feet mandates as businesses close and kids (who are at 10x greater risk from flu) lives are forever destroyed bc of our inability to think? The issue isn't masks (they aren't working bc the CDC even gives you the clue why right there on their home page but no one cares to ask) it's about a proper response. Kids should be playing sports and in school. Period. You want to put a 12 to 5am curfew in (the virus only works nights apparently) then find do that in your big city and kill it. We warned you in March when 15 days turned to 30. Edited December 13, 2020 by Big Blitz
Scraps Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: We "counted" 100K deaths from March to May 22. 2 months. In the 6 plus months since, it's 200K.....allegedly. In a nation of 330 million people. Doesn't seem to be in the Spanish Flus universe. No one asking if perhaps virus is doing what viruses do and that's become less lethal but more contagious or should I just accept closing schools and 6 feet mandates as businesses close and kids (who are at 10x greater risk from flu) lives are forever destroyed bc of our inability to think? The issue isn't masks (they aren't working bc the CDC even gives you the clue why right there on their home page but no one cares to ask) it's about a proper response. Kids should be playing sports and in school. Period. You want to put a 12 to 5am curfew in (the virus only works nights apparently) then find do that in your big city and kill it. We warned you in March when 15 days turned to 30. Do you only think in terms of death? What about overloading the hospital system? What about longer term consequences of getting the disease. Many people have complications that last months. We don't know if some of the heart issues will be really long term.
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