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17 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

No greater danger by publicizing it more?  Are you sure?  OK, then why are you doing it?   What is gained by publicizing him/her?

 

Would you want your name and address exposed even on this board ?  There are enough borderline posters here that I think you would be in some greater danger. 

 

 

You may or may not know, that I shy away from the back and forth conversations here on the board.

 

I am not here to "win" but to offer information that you (and others) probably will not seek out yourself.

 

 

 

You asked politely, so I answered.

 

I do not believe that Eric Ciamella is any more dangerous position, by having his name out there.

 

You do.  Though I am not interested in your "what if" proposals.

 

Carry on with the others if you so desire.

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Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

You may or may not know, that I shy away from the back and forth conversations here on the board.

 

I am not here to "win" but to offer information that you (and others) probably will not seek out yourself.

 

 

 

You asked politely, so I answered.

 

I do not believe that Eric Ciamella is any more dangerous position, by having his name out there.

 

You do.  Though I am not interested in your "what if" proposals.

 

Carry on with the others if you so desire.

 

:beer: His name has been known for three months by every right wing group in the country. He's not in danger. If he were, it would have manifested by now. 

 

But Bob "thinks for himself" so he came to this conclusion that it's dangerous for him all on his own. Never mind that it's been a media talking point for the past two months, it's what Bob came to all on his own! 

 

Deep thinker, that Bob.

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20 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Stop with the talking points BS.  It is tiring.  I give my own opinions on this board as much as anyone and I do think for myself.  You don't like my thoughts, fine but they are my opinions. 

 

How come if you say something generally agreed to by your side it is OK  but if the other side does similar, they read it from the talking points?  I recall getting accused of using Elijah Cummings words in a post that I put up about 5 hours before Cummings spoke.  Sometime people can see the same situation and come to the same conclusion independently.

 

So your whistle blower point is no one should be put in more danger but this guy probably would be (as much as modern day watergate)  and he deserves it.   Yeah, and my reasoning skills are faulty.  sure thing Foxx

Bob, you give what you think are your opinions. and they may be, however in reality, they were implanted there by the propaganda press of the Left. how do i know? you do not, in any way shape or form, display any signs of cognitive ability that you are thinking for yourself.

 

i understand that it is tough to realize that you are a tool for the Left, NLP is a very real and strong tool in their box that they employ.

 

you apparently are not tired of having been wrong for three, going on four years now. it's okay though, i do know that banging one's head up against the wall will eventually bleed through and even the thickest skull will realize that it hurts. i am just trying to help you along, Bob. 

 

by all means, carry on with your delusion.

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12 minutes ago, Foxx said:

your brian truly is broken. you are attempting to equate B-Man with a public figure.

 

just stop would you. you are so far out in the weeds that any semblance with logic is completely void,.you're hardly recognizable at this point.

 

I have limited exposure to your posting style but I have noticed a pattern.  You do these broad hand waving dismissals of posts claiming, posters are disingenuous, or dishonest, or an idiot, etc.  Ironically, that is disingenuous of you.  What, specifically is so illogical?  Where?

 

And, what is with the constant need to insult?  We covered this I thought.   If at a bar a few chairs away, would you keep insulting the conversation partner?  Likely not I suspect.   Why here?  It is not necessary and uncalled for.  I can insult too and surely have but you keep firing opening shots for no good reason that I see.

 

And the point is NOT public figure or not.  The point is trying to get greater publicity on his identity endangers the guy and family and is unnecessary to do any investigation.  What you have so far are accusations of bad behavior.

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1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said:

And the point is NOT public figure or not.  The point is trying to get greater publicity on his identity endangers the guy and family and is unnecessary to do any investigation. 

What you have so far are accusations of bad behavior.

 

His name has been known for months -- he's fine. He's central to the investigation as he's the accuser. His role is important to understand, if you care about truth of course. Which you do not. You care about having your beliefs confirmed. 

 

Bob, why were you silent when Nunes was under death threats? Why didn't you speak out about protecting an actual whistle blower? 

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6 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

I have limited exposure to your posting style but I have noticed a pattern.  You do these broad hand waving dismissals of posts claiming, posters are disingenuous, or dishonest, or an idiot, etc.  Ironically, that is disingenuous of you.  What, specifically is so illogical?  Where?

 

And, what is with the constant need to insult?  We covered this I thought.   If at a bar a few chairs away, would you keep insulting the conversation partner?  Likely not I suspect.   Why here?  It is not necessary and uncalled for.  I can insult too and surely have but you keep firing opening shots for no good reason that I see.

 

And the point is NOT public figure or not.  The point is trying to get greater publicity on his identity endangers the guy and family and is unnecessary to do any investigation.  What you have so far are accusations of bad behavior.

Bob, you can not see that trying to equivocate B-Man with a public figure is apples and oranges, Bob?  you made the equivocation, Bob. perhaps you need to go back and reread your post.

 

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59 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

T.L., mornin.  Slept well I expect.

 

Upon reflection and time....and, no, actually given what now passes for no prob, the fact that Bill lied, seems like, eh, so who doesn't?  Times have changed on lying for sure.  In 1999 my buddy was a big deal in Human Resources.  It stuck when he opined that the Pres would be fired from any large public company if that behavior with an intern and subsequent lying became public.  He thought any board would replace the guy pronto.  I kept thinking that BillC should be held to higher standards.  Apparently you too thought the perjury too much.  Again though, times have changed that we were aghast at lying..  Seems today if the Pres did it, we likely would not agree as to how 'bad' that was.

 

 

Sure, I can see the McCarthy angle from the hyper prosecution angle.  I just don't agree that holding Trump accountable for the Ukraine scheme is hyper.  I realize too that you see it differently.

 

The lying thing, c'mon Len, Trump can not be trusted to tell the truth every day of every week.  He lies so much more so than (on my honor) than any politician I have ever heard speak.  His only rivals are his staff.  Holy crap that Kelly Ann Conway can spit out 3 lies before any normal person could interrupt or interject.  But I digress.....To say there is any level of equivalence cuz you can find a lie for them is not being sincere, imo. 

 

Question: Can you tell his lies from his truths when they happen?  If so, what is the tell or the clue?

 

If Trump were impeached of course Mr Pence is in the wings.  He is possibly worse than Trump on several issues from my perspective.  His 'faith' may guide him and that, if it wasn't fake, would be an improvement but the separation of church and state issues concern me.  This 'overturn the election' seems less outrageous though when you consider it was Trump/Pence and it would become Pence

Standards have eroded. Check.

Clinton earned his perjury charge. Check. 
I was never “aghast” at lying, I can’t recall a time when I didn’t think it was a normal for a politician to lie, so while I get what you’re trying to say on the higher standard issue, I think it’s a crock just as I think witnesses in thus impeachment will or could lead to some baseline of understanding amongst our political parties. 
 

I have no special truth-o-meter, but I do have the ability to reason. If you apply Bob’s Deluxe Less-Lie-Spectrometer to politicians, that’s great, but simply know that I think that argument is absurd. Your comments on Trump and Kelly Ann Conway are hyperbolic, but these issues tend to cause emotional declarations to be made, but as I said before...how cute it is you think your guys are less liarly than the people I support. 

 

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7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You may or may not know, that I shy away from the back and forth conversations here on the board.

 

I am not here to "win" but to offer information that you (and others) probably will not seek out yourself.

 

 

 

You asked politely, so I answered.

 

I do not believe that Eric Ciamella is any more dangerous position, by having his name out there.

 

You do.  Though I am not interested in your "what if" proposals.

 

Carry on with the others if you so desire.

 

I am just trying to understand, if not to bring greater danger to the guy, why try to make sure his identity is exposed?  One can push for all mentioned investigations but in this climate I find it hard to understand that you think he would not be a bigger target.  Recall that guy that mailed those bombs to dozens? 

 

BTW, I never knew you didn't want replies.  Going forward I can do that.

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The best part of any Tweet about Eric Ciaramella (the leaker/coconspirator popularly referred to as "the whistleblower") is the histrionic hacks that inevitably accuse the poster of putting his life in danger.

 

Hypocrisy aside, no one with an IQ above room temperature could actually think that. Anyone who cares enough to pay attention has known his name for months.

 

The theory must be that one of these crazed, rabid Trump supporters, that we hear so much about but rarely, if ever, see, feels so strongly about this that he'd take the guy out, but hasn't followed the story at all.

 

It's a pretty stupid theory.

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13 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Bob, you can not see that trying to equivocate B-Man with a public figure is apples and oranges, Bob?  you made the equivocation, Bob. perhaps you need to go back and reread your post.

 

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Can you comprehend that my comparison was not about public figure vs  private individual? 

 

The point is exposing an individual's identity on the web exposes that individual to possible retaliation from anyone on the web that may have beef.  Period.

 

Before your stroke, let me state that I realize that public figures have less expectations of privacy

 

What is your purpose of ensuring the guy's identity is pushed further into the light, allowing that is not necessary in order to push for any investigation?

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http://www.floppingaces.net/2019/11/03/schiff-has-made-a-fatal-error/

 

Adam Schiff has pursued Donald Trump with a religious fervor.  He desperately want Trump out of office and will resort to just about anything to that end. Of late he is conducting secret impeachment proceedings, having failed to produce his mysterious Russian collusion evidence. In his zeal he has made a gigantic error- his “whistleblowers.”

#1- Eric Ciaramella

  • registered democrat
  • Contacted Schiff’s office first
  • Had whistleblower forms changed just for him
  • worked for John Brennan
  • worked with Alexandra Chalupa, who sought and obtained 2016 Ukranian election in interference
  • worked for Joe Biden
  • left post at NSC under cloud of leaking
  • authored the “Putin told Trump to fire Comey” story
  • disapproved of Trump foreign policy

 

#2- Alexander Vindman

  • He lied about Trumps’s phone call: “I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’ s support of Ukraine.” Trump made no such demand.
  • Actively worked with Ukraine against Giuliani and Trump
  • He thinks he controls foreign policy
 
 
 
 

 

Vindman clearly does not understand government. Foreign policy is what the President wants it to be, not what he or Ciaramella want it to be.

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1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

LSHEAB is trying to take something totally out of context to prove a point with the posting of that video with "Hot Ainsley" front and center.

 

What am I taking out of context?

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15 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

The best part of any Tweet about Eric Ciaramella (the leaker/coconspirator popularly referred to as "the whistleblower") is the histrionic hacks that inevitably accuse the poster of putting his life in danger.

 

Hypocrisy aside, no one with an IQ above room temperature could actually think that. Anyone who cares enough to pay attention has known his name for months.

 

The theory must be that one of these crazed, rabid Trump supporters, that we hear so much about but rarely, if ever, see, feels so strongly about this that he'd take the guy out, but hasn't followed the story at all.

 

It's a pretty stupid theory.

I get your point and to an extent, I agree that most zealots know by now. 

 

Why keep repeating it then and trying to get it more publicity ?

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2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

What am I taking out of context?

He said "if" and it appears that you are trying to make the case that he was calling it as fact. That's what happens when you simply just post a video or some kind of another person's work without comment of your own. 

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7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

He said "if" and it appears that you are trying to make the case that he was calling it as fact. That's what happens when you simply just post a video or some kind of another person's work without comment of your own. 

Nah. I think you're missing the point. He indeed said if and that particular "if" is now all but conceded; except, of course, among the fringiest of the fringe. Maybe Lamar Alexander is a RINO around these parts, but I think he hit the nail on the head with his press release. 

 

This does not meet the standards for an impeachable offense, so let the voter's decide.

 

But it very much fits the pattern; "If he did this, it would be awful" culminating with "so what"?

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28 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Can you comprehend that my comparison was not about public figure vs  private individual? 

 

The point is exposing an individual's identity on the web exposes that individual to possible retaliation from anyone on the web that may have beef.  Period.

 

Before your stroke, let me state that I realize that public figures have less expectations of privacy

 

What is your purpose of ensuring the guy's identity is pushed further into the light, allowing that is not necessary in order to push for any investigation?

 

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

No greater danger by publicizing it more?  Are you sure?  OK, then why are you doing it?   What is gained by publicizing him/her?

 

Would you want your name and address exposed even on this board ?  There are enough borderline posters here that I think you would be in some greater danger. 

Bob, you can try and change what you were saying by moving the goalposts. what isn't changed is that i was referring to your comparison of B-Man and a public figure.  you tried to evade that by claiming i was off in your making an apples and oranges comparison. further, you subsequently tried moving the goalposts even further apart.

 

your brian is riddled, Bob. at this point there is no conversing with you because you refuse to follow any logical order of progression in civil discourse. rather, you would prefer to talk one in circles. i am not interested in that kind of discourse, Bob. 

 

there is a reason why no one can get through to you. you argue 1 + 1 = 3 . when someone points out to you that 1 + 1 = 2, you change the subject to, 1 x 1 = 3. it is fallacious in it's very theory but you refuse to see that and obfuscate through the smoke filled cobwebs of your attic trying to drag everyone else down to your idiotic level. when you began posting here, i ignored the urges to engage you because this pattern was readily apparent. however, i thought i saw an opportunity to perhaps clear away some of that smoke for you, i was wrong, Bob. you are hopeless, enjoy your delusion, Bob.

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31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Standards have eroded. Check.

Clinton earned his perjury charge. Check. 
I was never “aghast” at lying, I can’t recall a time when I didn’t think it was a normal for a politician to lie, so while I get what you’re trying to say on the higher standard issue, I think it’s a crock just as I think witnesses in thus impeachment will or could lead to some baseline of understanding amongst our political parties. 
 

I have no special truth-o-meter, but I do have the ability to reason. If you apply Bob’s Deluxe Less-Lie-Spectrometer to politicians, that’s great, but simply know that I think that argument is absurd. Your comments on Trump and Kelly Ann Conway are hyperbolic, but these issues tend to cause emotional declarations to be made, but as I said before...how cute it is you think your guys are less liarly than the people I support. 

 

What is this spectrometer of which you speak?  Don't recall that.  You aren't the only one that views news from multiple sources and decides on the likely truth.  Others do that too. 

 

The primary reason we come to different conclusions is because in spite of every reason not to, you are willing to believe the words of a notorious liar, while I am much more skeptical of Trump's tales.  You are willing to believe that when under pressure to protect himself, he tells the truth.  That is not logical

 

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7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Nah. I think you're missing the point. He indeed said if and that particular "if" is now all but conceded; except, of course, among the fringiest of the fringe. Maybe Lamar Alexander is a RINO around these parts, but I think he hit the nail on the head with his press release. 

 

This does not meet the standards for an impeachable offense, so let the voter's decide.

 

But it very much fits the pattern; "If he did this, it would be awful" culminating with "so what"?

Except that you have bought into other people's interpretation of the transcript of that phone call. There are 500 words between "do us a favor" and any mention of the Bidens. On top of that Zelensky was the one who first brought up the Bidens. 

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22 minutes ago, Foxx said:

 

Bob, you can try and change what you were saying by moving the goalposts. what isn't changed is that i was referring to your comparison of B-Man and a public figure.  you tried to evade that by claiming i was off in your making an apples and oranges comparison. further, you subsequently tried moving the goalposts even further apart.

 

your brian is riddled, Bob. at this point there is no conversing with you because you refuse to follow any logical order of progression in civil discourse. rather, you would prefer to talk one in circles. i am not interested in that kind of discourse, Bob. 

 

there is a reason why no one can get through to you. you argue 1 + 1 = 3 . when someone points out to you that 1 + 1 = 2, you change the subject to, 1 x 1 = 3. it is fallacious in it's very theory but you refuse to see that and obfuscate through the smoke filled cobwebs of your attic trying to drag everyone else down to your idiotic level. when you began posting here, i ignored the urges to engage you because this pattern was readily apparent. however, i thought i saw an opportunity to perhaps clear away some of that smoke for you, i was wrong, Bob. you are hopeless, enjoy your delusion, Bob.

Yeah, Ok.  Good idea to avoid your posts then.  Can do.

 

Even though I just told that you make these broad hand waving dismissals and don't point out specific problems, you do the exact same thing in the next post.  In addition, someday, look into your need to insult.  Apparently the need is there.  Insecure much?   

 

Moved goalposts, 1+1   very specific    lol    Ok, Foxx      Out

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