Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 My big 3 factors that alter the game´s outcome: 1. The weather: It played big time against the Bills yesterday. The eagles were struggling all year long in their secondary, specially outside, but with strong wind they were able to play the run better as they were not afraid to get beat by long passes. It was like having an extra defender out there. We all saw what happened with the long ball, the wind stopped that pass just before anyone (defenders included) could make a play for the ball. I actually thought it was a well thrown ball, you could see in Fosters eyes that he was sprinting to get there, and then somehow it was short. 2. Size does matter: I think opposite OC are noticing that we are a little small up the middle, so they are running thru expecting to move our DTs and LBs out of their gaps. And the last two games we were not able to stop them. In out DTs we have speed and I think they are very good creating pressure so QB´s have a hard time stepping up the pocket, but they are not very good in the running game. I think that is teams are patient enough, they will eventually run over our D. 3. Game plan: I put this L in the coaches. I did not like the game plan at all. They thought, and I did too, that with all those backups in the middle of the eagles’ defense we were going to be able to stablish a strong running game. But we were far too predictable. And then we totally abandoned the game plan. I feel like our game plan should´ve been exactly what the eagles did. Lots of screens, misdirection, jet sweeps and then take advantage of the match ups outside. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 With Star, Jordan Phillips, and Oliver in the middle I don't think we are small. Maybe a bit small at LB but we have issues if Star and Jordan are getting pushed out of the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1. Bills fans whining about the "poor Bills" in mean weather cuts no mustard. 2. They have always grown them bigger on the NFC D and their O-lines for my 50 years of watching. The AFC has been more of a finesse conference. 3. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Antonio said: My big 3 factors that alter the game´s outcome: 1. The weather: It played big time against the Bills yesterday. The eagles were struggling all year long in their secondary, specially outside, but with strong wind they were able to play the run better as they were not afraid to get beat by long passes. It was like having an extra defender out there. We all saw what happened with the long ball, the wind stopped that pass just before anyone (defenders included) could make a play for the ball. I actually thought it was a well thrown ball, you could see in Fosters eyes that he was sprinting to get there, and then somehow it was short. 2. Size does matter: I think opposite OC are noticing that we are a little small up the middle, so they are running thru expecting to move our DTs and LBs out of their gaps. And the last two games we were not able to stop them. In out DTs we have speed and I think they are very good creating pressure so QB´s have a hard time stepping up the pocket, but they are not very good in the running game. I think that is teams are patient enough, they will eventually run over our D. 3. Game plan: I put this L in the coaches. I did not like the game plan at all. They thought, and I did too, that with all those backups in the middle of the eagles’ defense we were going to be able to stablish a strong running game. But we were far too predictable. And then we totally abandoned the game plan. I feel like our game plan should´ve been exactly what the eagles did. Lots of screens, misdirection, jet sweeps and then take advantage of the match ups outside. But we have the 10M DT Star Space Eater Lotulelei 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Jauronimo said: With Star, Jordan Phillips, and Oliver in the middle I don't think we are small. Maybe a bit small at LB but we have issues if Star and Jordan are getting pushed out of the way. Well they are playing small, or light... I don´t know. I feel like they are more of a penetrating type of DTs, not space eaters. And McD wants to play gap control defense. Yesterday we lost because we were not able to control the gaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Antonio said: Well they are playing small, or light... I don´t know. I feel like they are more of a penetrating type of DTs, not space eaters. And McD wants to play gap control defense. Yesterday we lost because we were not able to control the gaps. Like the 10M DT being put on skates? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: But we have the 10M DT Star Space Eater Lotulelei And he should be OUT ASAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Antonio said: And he should be OUT ASAP! Not according to many here he is Very Vital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Like the 10M DT being put on skates? Exactly! He was being push one on one while Oliver was trying his best to break the doble teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Antonio said: Exactly! He was being push one on one while Oliver was trying his best to break the doble teams. Just on example of Star being put on skates in a 1V1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: 1. Bills fans whining about the "poor Bills" in mean weather cuts no mustard. 2. They have always grown them bigger on the NFC D and their O-lines for my 50 years of watching. The AFC has been more of a finesse conference. 3. Fair enough. Not whining, just ponting out what I think played a big factor in our lost. We were not able to exploit the eagles must obvious weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Just on example of Star being put on skates in a 1V1 Woah- Howard took Hyde and Milano out of that play? tre got sucked out of the play. Every Bill lost to their blocker. This play represents the whole game pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Woah- Howard took Hyde and Milano out of that play? tre got sucked out of the play. Every Bill lost to their blocker. This play represents the whole game pretty well. Yeah I say Milano get blown up live and thought wow that OG just took out Milano, but then realized it was howard that got Milano Sitting flat footed and not attacking the Blockr instead decided to catch the blocker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 To point #2... Miami exposed us, the eagles disposed us. Scared to think what the Ravens are going to do to us. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I have one big factor, Brian Daboll. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/17/brian-daboll-to-coordinate-dolphins-offense/ Quote Daboll was well regarded from his time in New England and then under Eric Mangini with the Jets and Browns. Still, his Cleveland teams were among the league’s worst in yards and points in both of his seasons there. Do we not see the pattern here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Antonio said: Not whining, just ponting out what I think played a big factor in our lost. We were not able to exploit the eagles must obvious weakness. the Eagles had sunshine and favorable wind the whole game? that's so unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: To point #2... Miami exposed us, the eagles disposed us. Scared to think what the Ravens are going to do to us. ? Exactly what I was thinking. We need to play better Offense and take the lead in games so teams strart playing to our advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 the Jets and Bengals exposed as well, but couldn't man up to finishing off a won game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: the Eagles had sunshine and favorable wind the whole game? that's so unfair. They didn´t, they ran the ball and must of their passing yards were screens. My point was that with the weather conditions we were not able to exploit the eagles defense weaknesses (DBs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah I say Milano get blown up live and thought wow that OG just took out Milano, but then realized it was howard that got Milano Sitting flat footed and not attacking the Blockr instead decided to catch the blocker. I assumed the same the way Milano got jacked up. Always considered Howard to be a stud in Chi. Not surprised, but not good that not one Bills defender needed to be DTd. I guess they also knew which gap Michah would take basically removing himself from the play. Might have been worst worst defensive play of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Woah- Howard took Hyde and Milano out of that play? tre got sucked out of the play. Every Bill lost to their blocker. This play represents the whole game pretty well. Yeah the block on Milano unfortunately ended up screening Poyer a little bit or he makes that tackle easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I assumed the same the way Milano got jacked up. Always considered Howard to be a stud in Chi. Not surprised, but not good that not one Bills defender needed to be DTd. I guess they also knew which gap Michah would take basically removing himself from the play. Might have been worst worst defensive play of the season And all made possible by your 10M Point setting DT put on skates in a 1V1 scenario. Allowing the Center to go clear to Edmunds and Milano to take on a lead block 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasaluki Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Antonio said: They didn´t, they ran the ball and must of their passing yards were screens. My point was that with the weather conditions we were not able to exploit the eagles defense weaknesses (DBs). The Bills needed to run the ball with more authority. They also gave up on the run way too soon. The Bills as a point of pride need to toughen themselves up especially at home. No team should come up here and run on them like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: With Star, Jordan Phillips, and Oliver in the middle I don't think we are small. Maybe a bit small at LB but we have issues if Star and Jordan are getting pushed out of the way. Yeah Star is at least 310 and Jordan is 6'6 325lbs. For a 4-3 that's not little at all. Even though Ed is on the light side, he does very well at the point of attack. We aren't small, we just had poor gap control and got beaten by an Oline that is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And all made possible by your 10M Point setting DT put on skates in a 1V1 scenario. Allowing the Center to go clear to Edmunds and Milano to take on a lead block No reason the bills offense couldn’t run that same play with Gore and Singletary a lot of interesting things one could do from that formation with the TE in the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: No reason the bills offense couldn’t run that same play with Gore and Singletary a lot of interesting things one could do from that formation with the TE in the slot. We really do not have the TEs to do what Philly can do with their TEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: We really do not have the TEs to do what Philly can do with their TEs. Sure Ertz is outstanding but Kroft or Knox can do some of what he brings. On that play he didn’t do much unless there was a Pass option to him that wasn’t obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: To point #2... Miami exposed us, the eagles disposed us. Scared to think what the Ravens are going to do to us. ? Lose like they did to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Sure Ertz is outstanding but Kroft or Knox can do some of what he brings. On that play he didn’t do much unless there was a Pass option to him that wasn’t obvious. I hear you, but the Bills do not want to run out of spread concepts. They would rather have Lee Smith in the game to run, and that is why Gore is facing 40% of 8 man plus boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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