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"Slow down, it's only preseason"

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1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm not italian nor a liberal. Again, I try not to talk politics with uneducated people.

 

You ***** know I'd be banned for that post I quoted lol.

 

No, I don't know that. If you want it removed that's fine, I assent. It's just funny IMO since it sounds like what you're saying - don't let the truth get in the way of the facts. I didn't assume anything on your part.

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I think it's worth getting excited about the depth on this team. It's been a long time. Feels like we're on the right side of things finally at a number of positions.

 

If this team was 0-2 right now this message board would be pure hilarious panic.

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Just now, Taro T said:

Yep.  Can't say for sure they'll be good this year and in both games they faced QB2; but they dominated on both sides of the ball in the 1st 1/2 both games.  Which is extremely encouraging.

Yep. The team is 33% different. The OL was bottom of the league bad and the replacements look a lot different. The WR were bottom of the league bad and the replacements look a lot different. The RB were bottom third of the league and the replacements look a lot different. Josh and Edmunds were young, raw, hugely talented guys, they look a lot different. The OL, WR, ST coaches all seemed lousy and their replacements look a lot different. 

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12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Some penalties are undisciplined, some are over-aggressive, some are because you suck and you have to hold because you cannot do it right, some are because you are a scumbag like Vontaze Burfict. The Bills had a ridiculous amount of unforced error penalties because they were undisciplined, from a coach who screams for it.

 

I'm pretty sure they were penalized heavily under Marrone when the defense was the best it has been in the 2000's. His 9-7* year was a better defense than the great defenses McDermott has put out. I think they may have been penalized more in Marrones last year than Rex's first, but I'd have to double check that.

 

The whole discipline and penalty stuff is for people trying to create a narrative and that's me trying to put it nicely.

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2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yep. The team is 33% different. The OL was bottom of the league bad and the replacements look a lot different. The WR were bottom of the league bad and the replacements look a lot different. The RB were bottom third of the league and the replacements look a lot different. Josh and Edmunds were young, raw, hugely talented guys, they look a lot different. The OL, WR, ST coaches all seemed lousy and their replacements look a lot different. 

I mean how much different is it with a center that isn't in the QB's lap every play? I don't know if Feliciano is better suited at guard or not but looking at just his play compared to Bodine, holy hell.

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Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm pretty sure they were penalized heavily under Marrone when the defense was the best it has been in the 2000's. His 9-7* year was a better defense than the great defenses McDermott has put out. I think they may have been penalized more in Marrones last year than Rex's first, but I'd have to double check that.

 

The whole discipline and penalty stuff is for people trying to creat a narrative and that's me trying to put it nicely.

I agree with that. For sure. But there is no denying that the Bills were insanely undisciplined last year. There were some season when Rex coached the Jets when they were in the top ten of least penalized teams, and he is likely the least disciplined HC in the last 30-40 years.

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3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

No, I don't know that. If you want it removed that's fine, I assent. It's just funny IMO since it sounds like what you're saying - don't let the truth get in the way of the facts. I didn't assume anything on your part.

 

You called me Fredo, I doubt you would have done that a month ago.

 

I don't care lol. I just think it's funny. Keep going

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5 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm pretty sure they were penalized heavily under Marrone when the defense was the best it has been in the 2000's. His 9-7* year was a better defense than the great defenses McDermott has put out. I think they may have been penalized more in Marrones last year than Rex's first, but I'd have to double check that.

 

The whole discipline and penalty stuff is for people trying to creat a narrative and that's me trying to put it nicely.

 

What is it exactly you are trying to say here? Put it in words the rest of us can understand.

 

You don't want the Bills to play smart? You want them to take lots of personal fouls? Just say it.

 

I'm glad that there's focus being put on not doing that.

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Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

I agree with that. For sure. But there is no denying that the Bills were insanely undisciplined last year. There were some season when Rex coached the Jets when they were in the top ten of least penalized teams, and he is likely the least disciplined HC in the last 30-40 years.

 

Fredo is tired of arguing. I disagreed on the importance of preseason, and I'm tired of it. I hope they keep it up, I've just seen it before.

 

Can't wait until I get banned for being insulted again.

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Just now, Ralonzo said:

I mean how much different is it with a center that isn't in the QB's lap every play? I don't know if Feliciano is better suited at guard or not but looking at just his play compared to Bodine, holy hell.

The OL was unbelievably bad the last couple years. Stats be damned. Josh was under severe pressure all game every game. There were VERY few holes in the run game all year. They were criminally awful and Josh didnt get nearly enough credit for just ignoring, brushing off, shoving away, or juking pass rushers that were sacks against most other Qbs. These guys are different.

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Just now, Ralonzo said:

 

What is it exactly you are trying to say here? Put it in words the rest of us can understand.

 

You don't want the Bills to play smart? You want them to take lots of personal fouls? Just say it.

 

Jesus dude. You are simple.

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Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Jesus dude. You are simple.

 

Quality argument. 

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Just now, Ralonzo said:

 

Quality argument. 

 

I said it through two posts. Look at the teams that are the most penalized. They are usually winning teams. The discipline stuff is overdone.

 

I can't spell it out for you anymore. Maybe I can get it done in braille 

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2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Fredo is tired of arguing. I disagreed on the importance of preseason, and I'm tired of it. I hope they keep it up, I've just seen it before.

 

Can't wait until I get banned for being insulted again.

 

Now something about the importance of pre-season, that's fine. That's an argument. But you dismissed OP's argument pretty much out of hand, without a real reason other than "harrr I'm old guy i seen it all." The original point was the team's execution and I augmented. And neither of us agree with John McKay, but it sounds like you do... do you? Why?

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1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Now something about the importance of pre-season, that's fine. That's an argument. But you dismissed OP's argument pretty much out of hand, without a real reason other than "harrr I'm old guy i seen it all." The original point was the team's execution and I augmented. And neither of us agree with John McKay, but it sounds like you do... do you? Why?

 

I'm sorry but what are you on? John McKay? Old guy? I'm 29. 

 

You ***** up bra?

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So, we played a fun pre-season football game and looked good doing it!

 

Doesn't stop folks here from degenerating into some random argument about God knows what!

 

This place is toxic.

 

:(

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3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I said it through two posts. Look at the teams that are the most penalized. They are usually winning teams. The discipline stuff is overdone.

 

I can't spell it out for you anymore. Maybe I can get it done in braille 

 

That's an argument you may wish to make. I happen to believe 15-yard penalties for no good reason don't normally help the team toward victory. You can cite your stats and I can cite my reason and we can agree to disagree about it.

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I guess they have more depth at most positions which is a good thing but we knew that going into the preseason.  Even if the Colts and Panthers played all their best players it's still a vanilla scheme vs. a vanilla scheme.  The real test doesn't start until opening day so I'll say it....slow down. It's only preseason.  Just be happy nobody noteworthy was injured.

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3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

That's an argument you may wish to make. I happen to believe 15-yard penalties for no good reason don't normally help the team toward victory. You can cite your stats and I can cite my reason and we can agree to disagree about it.

 

Or... i can just say this is the last post I'll ever have in regards to you.

 

You with your Fredo *****. You're a clown. John Mckay. Wtf?

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13 minutes ago, Logic said:


That's weird. I don't seem to remember the Bills playing Lorenzo Alexander or Micah Hyde on defense last week, yet they shut down the Colts offense pretty convincingly. 

I don't seem to remember Mitch Morse, Ty Nsekhe, or John Brown suiting up for Buffalo tonight. The Bills offense still took it to the Panthers defense.

Look: You can only play the people on the field. If the opposition is without key players, it means you'd better DOMINATE them. And the Bills did -- even though they, too, were missing key players. Like I said, the alternative -- and this is happening across the league to teams who are playing against opposition that are resting star players -- is to come out and look bad and fail to execute EVEN THOUGH the opposition is not at full strength. What would you say then?

If you want to be a pessimist about it and refuse to take even a modicum of cautious optimism from the fact that the Bills have looked better than their opponents two weeks in a row, then so be it. Fandom must be a real drag for you with that type of outlook. Me? I'll roll with cautious optimism, because life is short and sports are supposed to be fun.

 

Take a top 5 QB from the starting roster and the skill positions look a whole lot different.  Are you honestly comparing a LB, S, C, OT, and WR with someone like Andrew Luck or Cam Newton?  That somehow those positions have the value one of those QBs has to their team?  

 

I know you're looking for any excuse to show that 2019 is surely different, but we don't know yet.  It's okay to wait and see before declaring the team on the glide path to the playoffs.  

 

For the record, here's Buffalo's results from the last 5 pre-seasons:

 

2018 2-2 83 PF 88 PA (final season record 6-10)

2017 1-3 62 PF 67 PA (final record 9-7)

2016 1-3 55 PF 71 PA (final record 7-9)

2015 2-2 88 PF 71 PA (final record 8-8)

2014 1-4 63 PF 104 PA (final record 9-7)

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Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Or... i can just say this is the last post I'll ever have in regards to you.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

So, we played a fun pre-season football game and looked good doing it!

 

Doesn't stop folks here from degenerating into some random argument about God knows what!

 

This place is toxic.

 

:(

 

Good word!

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6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Take a top 5 QB from the starting roster and the skill positions look a whole lot different.  Are you honestly comparing a LB, S, C, OT, and WR with someone like Andrew Luck or Cam Newton?  That somehow those positions have the value one of those QBs has to their team?  

 

I know you're looking for any excuse to show that 2019 is surely different, but we don't know yet.  It's okay to wait and see before declaring the team on the glide path to the playoffs.  

 

For the record, here's Buffalo's results from the last 5 pre-seasons:

 

2018 2-2 83 PF 88 PA (final season record 6-10)

2017 1-3 62 PF 67 PA (final record 9-7)

2016 1-3 55 PF 71 PA (final record 7-9)

2015 2-2 88 PF 71 PA (final record 8-8)

2014 1-4 63 PF 104 PA (final record 9-7)

 

I'm didn't step in with the intention to take up OP's part here but didn't OP specifically say something about looking at execution only? Not just numbers? That is to say, watching the game, looking at the execution in the individual matchups?

 

53 minutes ago, Logic said:

Score and schemes may not matter in preseason, but EXECUTION MATTERS. 

 

Something like that. So he says "scores and schemes may not matter," and the response is... scores? Why are we trying to bring the last 5 year stats into this?

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If we play bad it’s just preseason..  If we play good, It’s super bowl time.  You should know this by now. 

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