Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Trump never suggested that, it's just more slantedshit by the media & the Left. Fine. A guy who said the World Trade centers came down on 7/11 at a rally right here in Buffalo. 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: How many of those people are in states that Trump likely won’t win anyway? I don't know but a Buffalo suburb isn't that different than suburbs in the crucial Midwest states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's anecdotal on my part but I know people who can't even look at the guy when he's on tv who didn't vote last election assuming Hillary would win. Most of whom are middle aged women. As a middle aged woman, that was not my experience at all. My female friends, relatives, and women on a shitton of blogs I read (for the last 10+ years) would have crawled over broken glass to vote for Hillary. As as of now, even the most vocal Trump-haters from after the election have toned it down, and many are at the "you gotta be kidding me" stage with the Democratic candidate offerings. Heck, I have a friend whose kid was afraid of being locked up after Trump was elected (I told the story here, Jewish, screaming liberal family, he was 11 at the time) who is now no longer opposed to voting for Trump! The complete turn around with her is amazing. Don't assume the Ds have the middle aged woman, or the suburban mom, vote locked up this time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: As a middle aged woman, that was not my experience at all. My female friends, relatives, and women on a shitton of blogs I read (for the last 10+ years) would have crawled over broken glass to vote for Hillary. As as of now, even the most vocal Trump-haters from after the election have toned it down, and many are at the "you gotta be kidding me" stage with the Democratic candidate offerings. Heck, I have a friend whose kid was afraid of being locked up after Trump was elected (I told the story here, Jewish, screaming liberal family, he was 11 at the time) who is now no longer opposed to voting for Trump! The complete turn around with her is amazing. Don't assume the Ds have the middle aged woman, or the suburban mom, vote locked up this time. That's why I qualified that it was anecdotal on my part. We'll see what the polls show as we get closer to the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Trump won by a combined 70,000 votes in PA, MI, and WI. All by under 1%. I can't see any democratic candidate suppressing the vote more than Hillary. I think Biden could easily get at 2 to 5% bump in those states as Biden doesn't need to win the Obama/Trump voters back. You underestimate his chances. The fundamental flaw in your logic is assuming that everything is the same as it was in 2016. People do, in fact, look at their 401(k)s and job opportunities when voting. 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Fine. A guy who said the World Trade centers came down on 7/11 at a rally right here in Buffalo. Well, if you want to pretend that misspeaking on the fly means much, which one of the 57 states was the WTC in? Edited September 14, 2019 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, if you want to pretend that misspeaking on the fly means much, which one of the 57 states was the WTC in? I was just pointing out that presidential gaffes don't mean much as if they'd actually hurt Biden. Bush won twice despite his dream that human beings and fish can coexist equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Just now, Doc Brown said: I was just pointing out that presidential gaffes don't mean much as if they'd actually hurt Biden. Bush won twice despite his dream that human beings and fish can coexist equally. Biden's problem isn't so much the gaffes themselves (he's been a gaffe machine for nearly 50 years). It's that he's going off into fantasy-land far too often with his stories, which feeds into the attack narrative that he's going senile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I don't know but a Buffalo suburb isn't that different than suburbs in the crucial Midwest states. Suburbs in crucial Midwestern states don't have their votes rendered irrelevant by New York City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Suburbs in crucial Midwestern states don't have their votes rendered irrelevant by New York City Electoral college sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 19 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: In other words... you can't. Without the progressive turnout, no one on the left can win the general. (which is the point) Joe doesn't drive that excitement. He's incapable of it. Not letting Donald Trump win a 2nd term drives the excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Biden's problem isn't so much the gaffes themselves (he's been a gaffe machine for nearly 50 years). It's that he's going off into fantasy-land far too often with his stories, which feeds into the attack narrative that he's going senile. I agree with that. He just seems 15 years older than Trump, Warren, and Sanders. He'll obviously pick a younger VP if he wins the nomination with some experience. I always thought there should be an age limit to run for president like their is a minimum age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Not letting Donald Trump win a 2nd term drives the excitement. Teachers unite! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Not letting Donald Trump win a 2nd term drives the excitement. Not enough to win. Which is the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I agree with that. He just seems 15 years older than Trump, Warren, and Sanders. He'll obviously pick a younger VP if he wins the nomination with some experience. I always thought there should be an age limit to run for president like their is a minimum age. People age differently and you are proposing that the American people cannot make a coherent decision regarding the soundness of mind of a particular candidate. As long as the mind is still sharp then the public has the great opportunity to have a more experienced person in office. Trump's mind and energy for example far exceeds his recent predecessors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Electoral college sucks Something we disagree on What are your thoughts on breaking larger states like NY, CA, and TX into smaller states? Or parts of one state breaking off to join with another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: People age differently and you are proposing that the American people cannot make a coherent decision regarding the soundness of mind of a particular candidate. As long as the mind is still sharp then the public has the great opportunity to have a more experienced person in office. Trump's mind and energy for example far exceeds his recent predecessors. I agree as setting an age limit would be a subjective number. So is setting an age minimum though. 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: Something we disagree on What are your thoughts on breaking larger states like NY, CA, and TX into smaller states? Or parts of one state breaking off to join with another? I'm for the electoral college as I don't want president's only pretending to care about the needs of the largest states. You just seemed to make an argument for it. I wouldn't mind breaking up states like NY and CA but to keep it at 50 you'd need to combine states with sparse populations like North Dakota/South Dakota or Vermont/Maine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 42 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I wouldn't mind breaking up states like NY and CA but to keep it at 50 you'd need to combine states with sparse populations like North Dakota/South Dakota or Vermont/Maine. Why keep the number of states at 50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I agree with that. He just seems 15 years older than Trump, Warren, and Sanders. He'll obviously pick a younger VP if he wins the nomination with some experience. I always thought there should be an age limit to run for president like their is a minimum age. I guess I'm confused on hold Sanders appears to be on your tv? He presents as about 87 on my screen, even with the man-of-the-people-absent-minded professor shtick he's perfected on his way to becoming a filthy rich politician. I think Biden looks pretty good all things considered. He clearly didn't go to Maury's Wig Emporium for the weave, whatever nips and tucks he's had probably weren't done in Scranton, and he keep himself in good shape. It's when he starts talking that it all falls apart, and the bloodied eyeball isn't a great look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I agree as setting an age limit would be a subjective number. So is setting an age minimum though. I'm for the electoral college as I don't want president's only pretending to care about the needs of the largest states. You just seemed to make an argument for it. I wouldn't mind breaking up states like NY and CA but to keep it at 50 you'd need to combine states with sparse populations like North Dakota/South Dakota or Vermont/Maine. Vermont/Maine? Why not Arkansas and Wyoming? W.Va and NM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 58 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Why keep the number of states at 50? I don't want to buy another flag. 49 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I guess I'm confused on hold Sanders appears to be on your tv? He presents as about 87 on my screen, even with the man-of-the-people-absent-minded professor shtick he's perfected on his way to becoming a filthy rich politician. I think Biden looks pretty good all things considered. He clearly didn't go to Maury's Wig Emporium for the weave, whatever nips and tucks he's had probably weren't done in Scranton, and he keep himself in good shape. It's when he starts talking that it all falls apart, and the bloodied eyeball isn't a great look. I laughed when Bernie had to tell Biden by whispering in his ear what the idiot at the end of the stage said about his health care plan. Bernie's been 45 his whole life. The trouble with Biden is he's never been a coherent speaker so it's tough to differentiate whether he's going senile or it's just being himself. 30 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Vermont/Maine? Why not Arkansas and Wyoming? W.Va and NM? Sure. Use your imagination. At minimum North and South Dakota though. Maybe attach Delaware to Maryland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Not enough to win. Which is the point Piss poor point, considering you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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