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Buffalo Sabres and NHL: 2019/20: Sabres season officially over. Draft lottery June 26th


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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Sabres schedule is out. A disappointing lack of Bills/Sabres weekends for us out-of-towners. 10/27-28 (Sun-Mon actually) , 11/2-11/3 and 12/27-12/29.

 

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27 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

This is the 2nd separate report now that the hurricanes only offered Aho $6Mx8yrs.

 

I really wish buffalo had their own 3rd round pick in 2020. Aho would be a prime candidate for an offer sheet.

 

 

Man, why in the world would he take that? I mean if you ever needed a case for collusion, there it is. I could see $6Mx4...but not 8.

 

Prolly to hard to get that third rounder back for them just to poach their RFA.....but man i hope we see some offer sheets this year

 

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1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Nine back to backs with six in the first three months, none in Dec., none in Jan., two in Feb, and one in March. None of them with crazy travel involved (short hops) except for maybe our home and home vs. Tampa and they have the same disadvantage. For once, I’m not too irked about the back to backs.

 

So I got that goin’ for me.

nice littel chart here 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Yep, right down at the bottom again!!!! and no good doubleheader days with he Bills to compensate for it!

 

GAH!! One Buffalo, people!!!  You'd think someone would think of these things. Synergy!

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Ok, folks. Now that the schedule has been released, where are we at the end of October? Are we within that magical 4 

points of the final playoff birth, or on the outside looking in? I see us at 5-6. Ouch. 

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1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Ok, folks. Now that the schedule has been released, where are we at the end of October? Are we within that magical 4 

points of the final playoff birth, or on the outside looking in? I see us at 5-6. Ouch. 

 

That was proven false last season.

By the Sabres on the "high" side AND by the eventual Stanley Cup Champions on the "low" side.

 

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/index.fcgi?month=10&day=31&year=2018

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

That was proven false last season.

By the Sabres on the "high" side AND by the eventual Stanley Cup Champions on the "low" side.

 

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/index.fcgi?month=10&day=31&year=2018

 

 

 

Does it work in both directions? I honestly don’t know if being within that four point window or better assures the playoffs. I’m only familiar with the stat that says if you aren’t within four points then you have little chance. 

 

Anyway, the Blues are certainly the exception. Almost flukey. 

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6 hours ago, snafu said:

 

I wouldn't move Ristolainen no matter what he feelzzz.

He needs to be (and can be) part of the solution.  He's talented, a very young veteran, and fairly cheap for a few more years to come.  I mean holy crap, the GM needs to fix the team and shipping off a talented RHD isn't the way to start.  The return would have to pay immediate dividends.

 

I know I'm repeating what you posted, but my own feelzzz are getting the best of me.  The Sabres' bad moves trigger me more than anything else -- even if they are hypothetical bad moves that might never happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From the NJ end it has been discussed that Jesper Bratt and Sami Vatanen are the ones NJ will give up for Risto.

 

Buffalo seems dead set on wanting Jesper Boqvist and maybe Damon Severson. Buffalo isn't budging from Boqvist, so Risto to NJ is very unlikely.

 

But what do I know.

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1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

From the NJ end it has been discussed that Jesper Bratt and Sami Vatanen are the ones NJ will give up for Risto.

 

Buffalo seems dead set on wanting Jesper Boqvist and maybe Damon Severson. Buffalo isn't budging from Boqvist, so Risto to NJ is very unlikely.

 

But what do I know.

I don't see the Devils giving up Boqvist in a trade for Risto, especially after they acquired Subban. He is a big time prospect ready or near ready to move up to the NHL. He fits in with the transformation from  a Lou Lamerillo (sic) Jersey tight playing and boring defensive club to a new age fast and skilled team. They are putting together an exciting roster with Boqvist beautifully fitting in with how they want to design a roster. 

 

https://www.allaboutthejersey.com/2019/6/10/18660550/jesper-boqvist-signed-elc-new-jersey-devils-get-hyped-day-news-night-reactions

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1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I don't see the Devils giving up Boqvist in a trade for Risto, especially after they acquired Subban. He is a big time prospect ready or near ready to move up to the NHL. He fits in with the transformation from  a Lou Lamerillo (sic) Jersey tight playing and boring defensive club to a new age fast and skilled team. They are putting together an exciting roster with Boqvist beautifully fitting in with how they want to design a roster. 

 

https://www.allaboutthejersey.com/2019/6/10/18660550/jesper-boqvist-signed-elc-new-jersey-devils-get-hyped-day-news-night-reactions

 

That's why the Sabres want him. He could fit very in to what the Sabres do too.

 

I don't know if the Sabres want to up the ante or not as I have no idea who else the Sabres would include in a deal if they insist on Boqvist.

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2 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

That's why the Sabres want him. He could fit very in to what the Sabres do too.

 

I don't know if the Sabres want to up the ante or not as I have no idea who else the Sabres would include in a deal if they insist on Boqvist.

Boqvist not only fits with what the Sabres want to do but this talented player fits in with what every team wants to do. Ever since the departure of Lou L and the installation of Ray Shero he has systematically been reshaping the roster to make it more skilled and faster. It has taken three to four tough years to go through this metamorphosis but he is on the cusp of making his team the most compelling team in the NYC region. As I said in the prior post I'm sure the Devils would love to have Risto but with the acquisition of Subban it is less of a need. 

 

The positive takeaway for me is that our GM is not going to be pressured to sell off another primary player unless there is a primary player coming back in return. It's obvious that there was a lesson learned by the ROR deal. This team can't afford any more major mishaps. 

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1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Boqvist not only fits with what the Sabres want to do but this talented player fits in with what every team wants to do. Ever since the departure of Lou L and the installation of Ray Shero he has systematically been reshaping the roster to make it more skilled and faster. It has taken three to four tough years to go through this metamorphosis but he is on the cusp of making his team the most compelling team in the NYC region. As I said in the prior post I'm sure the Devils would love to have Risto but with the acquisition of Subban it is less of a need. 

 

The positive takeaway for me is that our GM is not going to be pressured to sell off another primary player unless there is a primary player coming back in return. It's obvious that there was a lesson learned by the ROR deal. This team can't afford any more major mishaps. 

 

The Devils like Vatanen, but they are shaky on his reliability to be the number 2 right handed defenseman behind Subban.

 

They want someone who is bigger than Vatanen to handle that role and Risto fits the bill.

 

Excellent analysis by you............. we will see what happens,

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The last 31 thoughts column of the 2018-19 season -

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-short-term-deals-break-rfa-stalemates/

 

Not much about the Sabres, except this -

 

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When it comes to offer sheets, I’m like the economist who predicts the housing bubble will burst. They’re wrong almost every time. But that moment it happens, out comes the back-patting. One of these days, offer sheets will happen. Now? God only knows. There are lots of rumours. 

 

One agent said there’s no point in looking at the idea without answering three things: Who has the cap space, who has the draft picks and who has the “will” to do it? The Islanders check those boxes, and a couple of opponents wondered about Buffalo — to rejuvenate the team and market. Most don’t expect them to happen. (One GM specifically said he hoped it didn’t happen to Toronto, because he didn’t want to see the Maple Leafs, angry, with extra cap room and picks.)

 

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4. Pavelski declined visits in a couple of places where he thought the teams weren’t close enough to winning. All eyes are on Dallas and Tampa Bay, although Chicago may try to convince him to visit. The Stars are determined to add scorers. 

 

It was reported recently that the Sabres would try and meet with Pavelski. He’s 36 though. I fully understand why he wouldn’t want to come here right now. 

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25 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

The last 31 thoughts column of the 2018-19 season -

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-short-term-deals-break-rfa-stalemates/

 

Not much about the Sabres, except this -

 

 

 

It was reported recently that the Sabres would try and meet with Pavelski. He’s 36 though. I fully understand why he wouldn’t want to come here right now. 

Regarding that scared GM who didn’t want to see the Leafs angry; that coward should be summarily fired and run out of his town on a rail. 

 

Fortune favors the bold as the old saying goes.

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27 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Regarding that scared GM who didn’t want to see the Leafs angry; that coward should be summarily fired and run out of his town on a rail. 

 

Fortune favors the bold as the old saying goes.

Thing i took from that is Avs not giving up #16 for Kreider..i kinda like him..thought maybe the Sabres could get him with #31 and a throw in at the draft..wonder what it takes now?

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8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Thing i took from that is Avs not giving up #16 for Kreider..i kinda like him..thought maybe the Sabres could get him with #31 and a throw in at the draft..wonder what it takes now?

Good question.

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15 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

The Devils like Vatanen, but they are shaky on his reliability to be the number 2 right handed defenseman behind Subban.

 

They want someone who is bigger than Vatanen to handle that role and Risto fits the bill.

 

Excellent analysis by you............. we will see what happens,

I'm making a trade proposal: Nylander and Risto for Boqvist and Vatenen. What say you? I won't ask Plezmd1 his opinion because he is against everything I am for and for everything I am against. He is a recalcitrant. :ph34r:

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14 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm making a trade proposal: Nylander and Risto for Boqvist and Vatenen. What say you? I won't ask Plezmd1 his opinion because he is against everything I am for and for everything I am against. He is a recalcitrant. :ph34r:

 

Um, no.

 

its a good thing I’m not Shero.

 

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9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm making a trade proposal: Nylander and Risto for Boqvist and Vatenen. What say you? I won't ask Plezmd1 his opinion because he is against everything I am for and for everything I am against. He is a recalcitrant. :ph34r:

only when you are wrong..so almost 100% of the time?

 

In this case, I agree. I have been off the Risto train for a long long time..going back to the 2nd year under Disco Dan when i really starting getting into advanced numbers. His possession rates and and his Corsi for and against were apparent back then..i distinctly remember the fellas wining like 3 of 4 games he was injured and did not play...was not a coincidence.

 

But in the "who says no" in that trade scenario...it is clearly NJ...throw in next years #1..maybe closer

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2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

only when you are wrong..so almost 100% of the time?

 

In this case, I agree. I have been off the Risto train for a long long time..going back to the 2nd year under Disco Dan when i really starting getting into advanced numbers. His possession rates and and his Corsi for and against were apparent back then..i distinctly remember the fellas wining like 3 of 4 games he was injured and did not play...was not a coincidence.

 

But in the "who says no" in that trade scenario...it is clearly NJ...throw in next years #1..maybe closer

I won't harass you because I am a person of empathy and compassion. I have the feeling that you are going to be in a constant state of despair this hockey season. If you are the type who believes that drinking will ameliorate your dark moods then prepare yourself for a constant state of drunkenness. :)

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8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Greg Wyshynski of ESPN was on WGR. This is a 15 minute segment. It focused on potential trades and acquisitions for the Sabres. 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/06-26-espns-greg-wyshynski-howard-and-jeremy

Hard pass from me. The minimum coming back has to be a proven top six winger with scoring ability. Risto is a commodity; a RD in his early prime at 25 years of age with proven offensive skills who plays a tough, physical style on the back end. Vatenen is not that and Boqvist doesn't qualify as proven. 

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1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Hard pass from me. The minimum coming back has to be a proven top six winger with scoring ability. Risto is a commodity; a RD in his early prime at 25 years of age with proven offensive skills who plays a tough, physical style on the back end. Vatenen is not that and Boqvist doesn't qualify as proven. 

On the Risto issue I am ambiguous. Risto has a lot of physical abilities but are they undercut by his mental grasp of the game. I'm both open-minded and confused. I hate to say it but I have become an equivocator. I am sad about that. 

17 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

only when you are wrong..so almost 100% of the time?

 

In this case, I agree. I have been off the Risto train for a long long time..going back to the 2nd year under Disco Dan when i really starting getting into advanced numbers. His possession rates and and his Corsi for and against were apparent back then..i distinctly remember the fellas wining like 3 of 4 games he was injured and did not play...was not a coincidence.

 

But in the "who says no" in that trade scenario...it is clearly NJ...throw in next years #1..maybe closer

Would throwing in a second round pick satisfy you? 

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2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

On the Risto issue I am ambiguous. Risto has a lot of physical abilities but are they undercut by his mental grasp of the game. I'm both open-minded and confused. I hate to say it but I have become an equivocator. I am sad about that. 

Would throwing in a second round pick satisfy you? 

i would prefer no picks obviously, but i would throw in a 1 if it took that. I like Vatanen i think more than @K-9 does ...Risto does have some offensive skills but the other team is still expected to score more.when he is on the ice 5v5

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3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

On the Risto issue I am ambiguous. Risto has a lot of physical abilities but are they undercut by his mental grasp of the game. I'm both open-minded and confused. I hate to say it but I have become an equivocator. I am sad about that. 

Would throwing in a second round pick satisfy you? 

No doubt. And I can understand why you might sit on the fence. I'll just say that losing Risto hurts us more than acquiring Vatenen and Boqvist helps us at this time. 

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1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

i would prefer no picks obviously, but i would throw in a 1 if it took that. I like Vatanen i think more than @K-9 does ...Risto does have some offensive skills but the other team is still expected to score more.when he is on the ice 5v5

We have a lot of players with poor 5v5 numbers that don't mitigate that with as many positives as Risto. Risto's ginormous gaffes are so conspicuous when they occur, as they are for most D men, that I think there's a tendency to magnify them. At any rate, while I understand the desire to see him off our favorite team, given JBott's screwing of the ROR pooch less than a year ago, he simply cannot give Risto away for anything less than a great deal. Vatenen and Boqvist simply aren't enough. 

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5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

i would prefer no picks obviously, but i would throw in a 1 if it took that. I like Vatanen i think more than @K-9 does ...Risto does have some offensive skills but the other team is still expected to score more.when he is on the ice 5v5

I am not willing to give up a first round pick in this proposed deal. Maybe a second but not a first. On this draft issue I am obstinate. 

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6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

I think he’s (most likely) a future NHL head coach and I could see him being a successful one. Glad Buffalo didn’t rush him. He’s doing a great job in Rochester (and running these camps). 

 

 

I'm glad that Chris Taylor was retained as the coach in Rochester. Players get better under his tutelage. 

 

Tage Thompson probably would have been better off being sent to Rochester sooner and getting more playing time. I like that he spent some time with the big club but he didn't get the amount of playing time he needed compared to if he would have been sent down sooner. The same argument can be made for Mitts. 

 

Nylander, Thompson, Pilut, Olaffson should all make the roster with Olaffson vying for a second line position. Internal improvement is not a quick process but it is the most important component of the process. 

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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

As Rome burns....

 

 

Ralph Krueger told the prospects at camp that they "need have a smile in your heart." So stop scowling! You are working yourself into a state of frenzy. There will be some deals. If Risto is involved in a deal then it will be big enough deal to even satisfy you. By most accounts the Sabres are making a lot of calls. I'm confident that there will be deals. The bigger issue is whether they will make a big enough difference. 

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14 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Ralph Krueger told the prospects at camp that they "need have a smile in your heart." So stop scowling! You are working yourself into a state of frenzy. There will be some deals. If Risto is involved in a deal then it will be big enough deal to even satisfy you. By most accounts the Sabres are making a lot of calls. I'm confident that there will be deals. The bigger issue is whether they will make a big enough difference. 

John, the Sabres are desperate for a #2C until/if Mitts develops into that role. Haula played #2 on a team that went to the Cup final, potted 29 that season, makes $2.75..and the return was at best a 4th line center prospect(according to what i read) and a conditional 5th...how in the world is that not a trade the Sabres should have made. Damn, Nylander  and a 3rd and i would be saying the Sabres absolutely stole this guy..

 

Why are you opposed to them getting better by trade? You keep saying you want a #2c, this guy was it, and he went for nothing..this is an absolute miss by JBotts

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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

John, the Sabres are desperate for a #2C until/if Mitts develops into that role. Haula played #2 on a team that went to the Cup final, potted 29 that season, makes $2.75..and the return was at best a 4th line center prospect(according to what i read) and a conditional 5th...how in the world is that not a trade the Sabres should have made. Damn, Nylander  and a 3rd and i would be saying the Sabres absolutely stole this guy..

 

Why are you opposed to them getting better by trade? You keep saying you want a #2c, this guy was it, and he went for nothing..this is an absolute miss by JBotts

Your impulsivity is again clouding your judgment. Did you consider the possibility that the GM has his sights on a better player to fill that 2C role? You don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Stop being so frantic and take a chill pill. There is still plenty of time to add players to this thin roster. Being measured and calculating is better than acting with desperation. Maybe Nazem Kadri or a player of that caliber can be pried loose? Just be patient. Acting crazy is not going to help the cause.

 

You bring up an interesting issue regarding Nylander? Are you giving up on him? I'm not. And I'm not giving up on Tage. You may be yin but I will continue to be yang. :) 

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