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Top DT prospect Jeffrey Simmons not invited to combine; Tore ACL in pre-draft workouts

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Fact is more people would protest over a guy kneeling for the national anthem than a woman beater.  Great American values.

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6 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Some people try to make the world around them better place,  unfortunately I dont think youre one of them.  Youre to busy pointing at everyone else rather than looking in the mirror.  I actually help individuals better themselves.  Im past the point of reading books and listening to lectures.  Im actually using the knowledge I have and trying to pass it on.  Good day Sir or Madam

Right. I'm not trying to 'help' or 'make the world a better place' because I'm too busy pointing at everyone else. Never mind the fact that we actually hire directly from the inmate furlough program, which is a resocialization/condition of parole for both violent and nonviolent offenders..ie exactly the kinds of people and situations relevant to the topic at hand. In other words- not only do I have firsthand knowledge of recidivism rates, assault related charges, difficulties finding employment as a convicted felon...I actually AM the person giving second chances, either to meet requirements for the parole board, to qualify for the halfway house, etc etc.

 

Sooo...when I say that losing out on the chance to play in the NFL isn't going to ruin this guy's life, it's because I've hired people who just did 5 years for first time promotion charges because the judge was in a bad mood and his PD didn't show up to court and literally just lost 5 years of their life. I've hired guys convicted of assault and attempted murder who've been incarcerated since they were 16 and lost a hell of a lot more than a shot at playing pro football. So spare me your sanctimony...when I say I believe in second chances and rehabilitation it's because I AM people's second (and often last) chance and rehabilitation. I also know that there are consequences to people's actions, and being held accountable is how things work for 99% of us. Not being able to play in the NFL is so far down the list of consequences people suffer after assaulting someone it's downright laughable. 

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20 hours ago, noacls said:

Sad that some on this board will defend woman beaters

 

This is really missing the point. A couple people are defending what he did, I agree that that is terrible. But the majority of us are defending his ability to change. As a society we should reward such commitment to change because lifelong social punishment in the name of "justice" doesn't help anyone. Of course he won't get any more strikes, if he does something that terrible again his NFL career should be over.

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56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is really missing the point. A couple people are defending what he did, I agree that that is terrible. But the majority of us are defending his ability to change. As a society we should reward such commitment to change because lifelong social punishment in the name of "justice" doesn't help anyone. Of course he won't get any more strikes, if he does something that terrible again his NFL career should be over.

I understand where you are coming from and that was very well said. However I believe that a women beater is right there with a rapist and child molester. Its vile and disgusting. My work in LE may cloud my thoughts on this. If I offended you I apologize. 

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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is really missing the point. A couple people are defending what he did, I agree that that is terrible. But the majority of us are defending his ability to change. As a society we should reward such commitment to change because lifelong social punishment in the name of "justice" doesn't help anyone. Of course he won't get any more strikes, if he does something that terrible again his NFL career should be over.

Nobody is questioning anyone’s ability to change. If he HADN’T changed we definitely wouldn’t be having this discussion. The question is whether not being able to play professional sports is an appropriate punishment, and my answer is an unequivocal yes. That’s not a ‘lifelong social punishment’, it’s simply an opportunity he wasted. Happens all the time. 

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On 1/31/2019 at 4:08 PM, Rob's House said:

I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

 

Interesting point.  Simmons pled guilty to assault and paid a fine plus restitution to the victim.

The complainant in the case also pled guilty to "disturbing the peace fighting" and paid a fine, which would seem to acknowledge some wrongdoing on her part.

 

https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/07/26/mississippi-state-bulldogs-jeffrey-simmons-assault-case-no-contest

 

OTOH, I can't get into the value judgements some like on whether it was "full force" or "holding back"  or what-have-you

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On 2/9/2019 at 6:15 PM, HappyDays said:

 

This is really missing the point. A couple people are defending what he did, I agree that that is terrible. But the majority of us are defending his ability to change. As a society we should reward such commitment to change because lifelong social punishment in the name of "justice" doesn't help anyone. Of course he won't get any more strikes, if he does something that terrible again his NFL career should be over.

Honest question:  what do you think the % of guys who hit woman won’t repeat  it?  Because I think guys who are women beaters tend to repeat the behavior more than say someone who gets caught stealing a laptop (Cam Newton’s crime in college that people used to put him down before the draft).

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On 2/8/2019 at 9:28 PM, noacls said:

Sad that some on this board will defend woman beaters

If we can get him in the 4th round and he says I'm sorry?

...... Maybe, everyone deserves a second chance and if you're in the NFL, a fourth and fifth chance.

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The injury just pushes the talent level up the board.  I don’t think there’s a chance that we would’ve drafted him due to his fracas.

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5 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

If we can get him in the 4th round and he says I'm sorry?

...... Maybe, everyone deserves a second chance and if you're in the NFL, a fourth and fifth chance.

With a torn ACL?

 

This sounds like a 6th round pick flyer to me

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

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Honest question:  what do you think the % of guys who hit woman won’t repeat  it?  Because I think guys who are women beaters tend to repeat the behavior more than say someone who gets caught stealing a laptop (Cam Newton’s crime in college that people used to put him down before the draft).

 

I don’t mean to interject into a random conversation, but the problem with what you’re saying is that we don’t, as a society, judge people based on what others have done.

 

Simmons committed a horrible crime and needs to be punished appropriately, but it’s unfair to him (and it’s a break in our systerm of justice and society) to condemn him for what he might do later.

 

If his initial crime is enough to ban him from football, so be it. But it’s not unreasonable for teams to be interested in him if he’s shown that he’s grown past that.

 

 

 

 

All that to say, with the torn ACL I would definitely take him in the 3rd if he falls that far.

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

With a torn ACL?

 

This sounds like a 6th round pick flyer to me

We're the Bills!

 

We overpay for everyone....

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3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

With a torn ACL?

 

This sounds like a 6th round pick flyer to me

Seems like the last 2 times this has occupied the player became a second round pick.

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5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

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Honest question:  what do you think the % of guys who hit woman won’t repeat  it?  Because I think guys who are women beaters tend to repeat the behavior more than say someone who gets caught stealing a laptop (Cam Newton’s crime in college that people used to put him down before the draft).

 

I don't care what percentage of guys do it again. That logic has been used to defend all sorts of ridiculous laws. By all accounts Simmons has been a model citizen and it happened several years ago. Maybe he'll screw up again but I won't assume anything.

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5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

With a torn ACL?

 

This sounds like a 6th round pick flyer to me

Some team will take him earlier than that but if he did tear the ACL his 1st round dreams are gone.

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The judicial system failed society again and MSU is just another example of college athletics being a cesspool. 

 

MSU was convinced he was safe to put on campus with other college kids because they spoke with his family and friends?  They seem like a credible source for his mental and moral upswing over the last few seasons.

 

College football is the biggest problem. They are far more corrupt and disgusting than the NFL. 

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we have 10 picks.  Simmons is a top 5 talent in a position of need.  Trade down, draft Simmons in 2nd/3rd round

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If we can trade down in the 1st and pick up an extra 2nd I'd be all for taking a gamble on this guy in the 2nd round.  He's a top 10 talent and by all accounts has been a model citizen in college. 

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12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

This'll have a major effect.

 

I might consider him a couple of rounds down. Doubtless they'll do due diligence on him, including interviews of him, of the people involved in the incident and of people who've been witness to how his life has gone since. If they are convinced, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a guy who would be out for a year in the third or fourth..

 

More, at that price, you could cut him without much worry if he had another incident of some kind.

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12 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

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Honest question:  what do you think the % of guys who hit woman won’t repeat  it?  Because I think guys who are women beaters tend to repeat the behavior more than say someone who gets caught stealing a laptop (Cam Newton’s crime in college that people used to put him down before the draft).

 

 

The question should be more specific than that.

 

Something more like ... of guys who hit a woman, then spend three or four years without hitting a woman or having any (off-field) violence issues ... what's the percentage who will do it again. And I don't know the answer but I know it's not 0% and I know it's not 100%. I strongly guess it's between 20% and 80% and I don't know enough to make an educated guess. And in that area, you can't depend on statistics. You have to look at the guy himself to make your decision.

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