Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I mean...who's not a fan of the "muff"....albeit, if they're going to put *that* on the field, I suggest making sure they're not built like football dudes....just a suggestion and I'm sure there are those who would be in favor, I am not one.... I get it man....I'm optimistic as well. I think there are good reasons to be...but, to be fair the bedrock point is that we just don't know yet....I'm hoping he will be another true find for the Bills and a revelation of what hard work, dedication to professional development, and the right team culture can do for an up-and-coming Coordinator, but we just don't know for certain yet...for me, I''l give him a mulligan this year regardless and all the way into mid-year next year when I presume no matter what Josh Allen will be the starting QB (if not sooner of course) to see whether he's done the aforementioned improvement or whether McD and Beane need to look yet again.... Agreed. They were under the gun last year to find an offensive coordinator and their first choice didn't pan out. i think Daboll was was a well reasoned hire. No one knows how it will work out, but why not hope for the best? He's respected enough that a lot of good head coaches have hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, SoTier said: The thing is, McDaniels hasn't actually demonstrated that he HAS learned from his mistakes. He was a brilliant OC when he left for the Broncos and failed as a HC. He's still the OC for the Pats until Belichick hangs 'em up. True, but there aren't very many ways that someone can prove he has learned from his mistakes until someone trusts him enough to give him another shot. I'm sure that the Bills interviewed Daboll in depth about his past experience as an OC, in part to learn if he's corrected his shortcomings. Presumably, he gave enough good answers to convince McDermott he ought to have that chance, but nobody can be certain. We'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Sky Diver said: 2016 Team Stats Passing Rushing Total Offense First Downs Penalties Turnovers Split G Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Att Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg Pass Rush Pen Tot No. Yds Fum Int Tot Offense 15 17.7 27.8 63.5 210.3 1.7 42.6 245.0 5.8 2.2 70.4 455.3 6.5 8.1 12.1 0.8 21.0 5.7 44.0 0.7 0.6 1.3 Defense 15 18.2 33.8 53.8 197.9 1.0 31.7 63.9 2.0 0.3 65.5 261.8 4.0 8.3 4.7 1.4 14.5 3.9 31.4 0.9 1.1 1.9 Difference -0.5 -6.0 +9.7 +12.4 +0.7 +10.9 +181.1 +3.8 +1.9 +4.9 +193.5 +2.5 -0.2 +7.4 -0.6 +6.5 +1.8 +12.6 -0.2 -0.5 -0.6 2017 Team Stats Passing Rushing Total Offense First Downs Penalties Turnovers Split G Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Att Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg Pass Rush Pen Tot No. Yds Fum Int Tot Offense 14 14.6 23.8 61.3 193.4 2.0 43.7 250.6 5.7 2.6 67.5 444.1 6.6 8.6 12.4 1.4 22.2 4.9 40.6 0.5 0.2 0.7 Defense 14 16.4 30.4 53.8 165.7 0.6 34.7 95.7 2.8 0.6 65.1 261.4 4.0 8.1 5.4 1.8 15.4 4.4 32.5 0.4 1.4 1.7 Difference -1.8 -6.6 +7.5 +27.7 +1.4 +9.0 +154.9 +2.9 +2.0 +2.4 +182.7 +2.6 +0.5 +7.0 -0.4 +6.8 +0.5 +8.1 +0.1 -1.2 -1.0 Alabama team stats for 2016 vs 2017. Most values are per game averages. Rosters in college football turnover so much year to year, who knows what to make of this. At first glance, from the stats alone, the differences don't look statistically significant to me. Arguably the passing game wasn't as good. Thanks for info, Diver. For two things where I think the coaching can have a strong impact, there appear to be improvements in offensive penalties and turn-overs. Unsure how significant since these weren't problem areas for 'bama in 2016, but improvement is always good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Yes, I noticed that penalties went down. Hopefully that was the result of Daboll's coaching and not a change in players. I honestly don't recall what changed there were to the offensive line for 2016 vs 2017. I suspect he may have been more of a disciplinarian that Kiffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Curious why Chan Gailey was out of football for 2 years after the Bills fired him. Was out of football for 2 years before the Bills hired him too, as I recall. I think the Chan Gailey hire was one of my lowest points as a Bills fan: "Chan WHO?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Was out of football for 2 years before the Bills hired him too, as I recall. I think the Chan Gailey hire was one of my lowest points as a Bills fan: "Chan WHO?" The Jets offense was pretty good the two years he was there. I hope he is enjoying retirement. He seems like a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Was out of football for 2 years before the Bills hired him too, as I recall. I think the Chan Gailey hire was one of my lowest points as a Bills fan: "Chan WHO?" Didn't Bill Cowher recommend Chan Gailey after he (Cowher) turned the Bills down for the HC position? At that point, Cowher was out of coaching for a good 4-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) I checked the OL for Alabama between 2016 and 2017. I am assuming that's where most of the penalties came from. Cam Robinson went to the NFL, but otherwise there was mostly reshuffling. Maybe we can credit Daboll for the reduction in penalties. You can always hope. Edited July 23, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: The Jets offense was pretty good the two years he was there. I hope he is enjoying retirement. He seems like a great guy. Agree Gailey just seems like a good guy. The Jets offense was like "Buffalo Bills East" with Gailey there. They showed surprising competence and improvement one year, and fell apart the next year - whether from loss of personnel they needed to succeed and Gailey's inability to adjust, or via predictability and being "solved" - can't tell you. 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Didn't Bill Cowher recommend Chan Gailey after he (Cowher) turned the Bills down for the HC position? At that point, Cowher was out of coaching for a good 4-5 years. Yeah, I think he did - but to me that was kind of like saying "sorry, I won't sell you this BMW X5 that you want, but I recommend you purchase this used Ford Explorer, it might be able to do what you need if you give it a chance (never mind the rust)". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Good article about Daboll. He was right on Tua. https://buffalonews.com/2018/01/18/report-why-new-bills-offensive-coordinator-brian-daboll-left-alabama/ 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Agree Gailey just seems like a good guy. The Jets offense was like "Buffalo Bills East" with Gailey there. They showed surprising competence and improvement one year, and fell apart the next year - whether from loss of personnel they needed to succeed and Gailey's inability to adjust, or via predictability and being "solved" - can't tell you. That's true. I don't know what happened his second year. As you say,maybe it was personnel or he got figured out, or a combination. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Good article about Daboll. He was right on Tua. https://buffalonews.com/2018/01/18/report-why-new-bills-offensive-coordinator-brian-daboll-left-alabama/ Just after the hire, someone posted a clip of Daboll working with two QB in practice, and it was quite clear just in that short clip one guy was far more talented than the other. When I looked up the numbers, QB "Oh yeah, he can throw" was Tua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just after the hire, someone posted a clip of Daboll working with two QB in practice, and it was quite clear just in that short clip one guy was far more talented than the other. When I looked up the numbers, QB "Oh yeah, he can throw" was Tua Tua is amazing. His brother committed to Alabama as a QB and he looks like a stud too. Hurts is a great kid as is Tua. I suspect that Saban stuck with Hurts because he didn't want to disrupt the locker room. Tua is clearly a more talented passer. This play was amazing. Edited July 23, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 9 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Tua is amazing. His brother committed to Alabama as a QB and he looks like a stud too. Hurts is a great kid as is Tua. I suspect that Saban stuck with Hurts because he didn't want to disrupt the locker room. Tua is clearly a more talented passer. This play was amazing. "Looked like Steve Young there for a second." That's actually reasonable color commentary on that play. Lefty with moxy and mobility and a quick delivery. Throws an absolute dart with no set base and heat bearing down on him from at least three rushers (two of which he'd eluded once to buy time). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 18 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Tua is amazing. His brother committed to Alabama as a QB and he looks like a stud too. Hurts is a great kid as is Tua. I suspect that Saban stuck with Hurts because he didn't want to disrupt the locker room. Tua is clearly a more talented passer. This play was amazing. Wow. You can't teach that. You can instruct and advise QBs to do that, but you can't teach that kind of poise. That is rare in experienced NFL QBs and to see it in a college freshman is remarkable. Who's got the inside track on the starting job down there? Lot to like about Hurts, but he might be a hard sell to the rest of the team at this point. Especially in light of Tua's second half performance in the championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 19 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Tua is amazing. His brother committed to Alabama as a QB and he looks like a stud too. Hurts is a great kid as is Tua. I suspect that Saban stuck with Hurts because he didn't want to disrupt the locker room. Tua is clearly a more talented passer. This play was amazing. I think he's good, but this play is not "amazing" outside of the scramble (which was admittedly good but happens all of the time). The throw was to a *wide* open receiver in an elite program who is probably ten times better than the chump from a perennial SEC doormat (6-26 in the last four seasons in conference play) who is covering him in a 45-0 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think he's good, but this play is not "amazing" outside of the scramble (which was admittedly good but happens all of the time). The throw was to a *wide* open receiver in an elite program who is probably ten times better than the chump from a perennial SEC doormat (6-26 in the last four seasons in conference play) who is covering him in a 45-0 game. Good enough to draw a comparison to Steve Young. He was a pretty fair QB. I watched the guy play all year, including the A Day game. He can sling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Good enough to draw a comparison to Steve Young. He was a pretty fair QB. I watched the guy play all year, including the A Day game. He can sling it. That comparison means nothing to me. I like the player a lot, but it was a 45-0 game against a doormat with substandard defensive talent. Do it against a competent team in a competitive situation and I'll give him his praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That comparison means nothing to me. I like the player a lot, but it was a 45-0 game against a doormat with substandard defensive talent. Do it against a competent team in a competitive situation and I'll give him his praise. I would posit that the University of Georgia was a competent team and the National Championship was a competitive situation. The kid is only a freshman too. Edited July 24, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Daboll should tailor his offense each week to exploit our opponents deficiencies on defense, unfortunately I don't think the Bills have the personnel to do so. I hope fans have patience with Daboll to see him through the 2019 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Wow. You can't teach that. You can instruct and advise QBs to do that, but you can't teach that kind of poise. That is rare in experienced NFL QBs and to see it in a college freshman is remarkable. Who's got the inside track on the starting job down there? Lot to like about Hurts, but he might be a hard sell to the rest of the team at this point. Especially in light of Tua's second half performance in the championship game. Hurts is a great kid and a tremendous athlete. I think he would be best served by changing positions if he wants to make it to the NFL. Saban is being coy, but I can't see how he starts over Tua. 21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thanks for info, Diver. For two things where I think the coaching can have a strong impact, there appear to be improvements in offensive penalties and turn-overs. Unsure how significant since these weren't problem areas for 'bama in 2016, but improvement is always good. Daboll followed Lane Kiffin, who was a really good offensive coordinator in his own right and there was no drop off. Edited July 24, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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