reddogblitz Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: Fitzy had 7 with the Bills, 2 in 2010, 3 in 2011 and 2 in 2012. Orton had 3 in 2014. these are the kind of guys we need. screw protecting the football. 3 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: And Taylor wasn't scoring points or getting first downs at the worst possible times. What's the difference? PLAYOFFS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: Further on your point about any stat out of context doesnt tell the whole story. 300 pass yards per game is the perfect example of that statement!!!!! This stat tells you almost nothing about who won the game. That this line gets thrown around so much is annoying. Yes Kelly could win you a game through the air and TT could not. Shouldn't you be able to see that in another stat like TD% as was alluded to? This 300 pass yards per game needs to die as a metric thats considered to successful QBs. To the fan of the team it shouldn't mean almost nothing; to fantasy football player it means a lot more. That's a fair point. However, I would also like to point out that the Bills lost 20 games over the past three years with Tyrod Taylor as the starting QB. So, by this logic-- he had ample opportunities to rack up some "garbage time" yards. Yet, he still only broke through to the promised land one time... and it took him 5 quarters to do it. I think the disconnect here is that the "anti-300" crowd is using that metric in the context of "wins & losses" and the "300 yard games matter" crowd is using it in the limited context of "basic competence at the position". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: these are the kind of guys we need. screw protecting the football. PLAYOFFS !! "You're welcome." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: "You're welcome." I don't know. I figured you'd blame Flacco's 28 yard performance against the Jags for why we got in over the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I don't know. I figured you'd blame Flacco's 28 yard performance against the Jags for why we got in over the Ravens. Nah, I think the fact that the Bills ultimately had their playoff ticket punched on a heroic 4th down throw that their own QB would never have even seen -- let alone attempt -- really says all that needs to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said: Nah, I think the fact that the Bills ultimately had their playoff ticket punched on a heroic 4th down throw that their own QB would never have even seen -- let alone attempt -- really says all that needs to be said. That L doesn't matter if Flacco shows up in London. The ticket being punched was a culmination of the entire season, not a single play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: That L doesn't matter if Flacco shows up in London. The ticket being punched was a culmination of the entire season, not a single play. I agree -- it takes a full season to get to the playoffs. I give TT 88% of the credit for putting the Bills in position to benefit from that Ravens loss to Cincy. 12% goes to Peterman/Webb for the Colts game. But without Dalton's heroics, Tyrod's Bills would have chalked up just another mediocre 9-7 season that would have gone right in the pile with all of the others. That is an inarguable fact. Would you have put your money on Tyrod to make a huge TD throw between two defenders on 4th & 12 with the playoffs on the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just now, twoandfourteen said: I agree -- it takes a full season to get to the playoffs. I give TT 88% of the credit for putting the Bills in position to benefit from that Ravens loss to Cincy. 12% goes to Peterman/Webb for the Colts game. But without Dalton's heroics, Tyrod's Bills would have chalked up just another mediocre 9-7 season that would have gone right in the pile with all of the others. That is an inarguable fact. Would you have put your money on Tyrod to make a huge TD throw between two defenders on 4th & 12 with the playoffs on the line? No, that is definitely arguable. You are just choosing which portion of history you think is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: No, that is definitely arguable. You are just choosing which portion of history you think is questionable. Simple yes or no answer: If everything else in the 2017 NFL season remained exactly the same -- would the Bills have made the playoffs if Andy Dalton threw an incomplete pass on 4th & 12 against Baltimore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Simple yes or no answer: If everything else in the 2017 NFL season remained exactly the same -- would the Bills have made the playoffs if Andy Dalton threw an incomplete pass on 4th & 12 against Baltimore? Yes. As I said, you're choosing which part of history you will accept as variable. Simple yes or no answer: If the Ravens won any of the games they lost before week 17 (overtime to CHI, 3 points to TEN, 1 point to PIT) -- would Andy Dalton's through have meant anything to the Bills' playoff chances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Simple yes or no answer: If everything else in the 2017 NFL season remained exactly the same -- would the Bills have made the playoffs if Andy Dalton threw an incomplete pass on 4th & 12 against Baltimore? You can ask the same question about every single play that every other team made all of last season. Such a dumb thing to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Yes. As I said, you're choosing which part of history you will accept as variable. Simple yes or no answer: If the Ravens won any of the games they lost before week 17 (overtime to CHI, 3 points to TEN, 1 point to PIT) -- would Andy Dalton's through have meant anything to the Bills' playoff chances? 13 minutes ago, MJS said: You can ask the same question about every single play that every other team made all of last season. Such a dumb thing to ask. Boys, go back and read what I wrote. Of course I am being selective. I selected the most crucial play of the 2017 Buffalo Bills season. I already explained why that particular play is significant -- more so than any other random play throughout the season. I am referring TO that specific variable. When that Dalton throw occurred, the Bills had exhausted all of their own opportunities to be in control of their playoff chances. They needed someone else to do something for them. THAT is the inarguable fact. Dalton misses, the Bills stay home. MJS -- it would actually be dumb to ask that question about 99.9% of the things that occurred prior to that. Except maybe the Zay Jones miss in Carolina. If TT connects there, the Bills have an extra win and that would have rendered Dalton's TD irrelevant. You two are free to discuss the Bills playoff chances with any other play this season. I'm only interested in this one. Edited June 8, 2018 by twoandfourteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Boys, go back and read what I wrote. Of course I am being selective. I selected the most crucial play of the 2017 Buffalo Bills season. I already explained why that particular play is significant -- more so than any other random play throughout the season. I am referring TO that specific variable. When that Dalton throw occurred, the Bills had exhausted all of their own opportunities to be in control of their playoff chances. They needed someone else to do something for them. THAT is the inarguable fact. Dalton misses, the Bills stay home. MJS -- it would actually be dumb to ask that question about 99.9% of the things that occurred prior to that. Except maybe the Zay Jones miss in Carolina. If TT connects there, the Bills have an extra win and that would have rendered Dalton's TD irrelevant. You two are free to discuss the Bills playoff chances with any other play this season. I'm only interested in this one. We all understand. It's a dumb outlook to have and a dumb question. The entire season played out in a way for the Bills to make the playoffs. Period. Dealing in What-ifs is stupid. What if you take away that play? What if Jones makes that catch? What if White doesn't return that ball for a TD in Atlanta? What if Brady broke his leg in week 5? What if, what if, what if? It happened the way it happened. The Bills made the playoffs. They earned it. Other teams (like the Chargers) did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Pete said: I like Tyrod and wish him well, but 65 yard passing games does not cut it in the NFL. I keep being told it is a passing league. Sure 300 yard games are not a measure of success. But they often are a byproduct of winning. And 8 300 yard passing games(1 JP, 4 Fitz, 3 Kyle, 1 Tyrod) since 2004 is pathetic. 65 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: 65 yards I appreciate grammar nazi's. You are a dying breed. I need you to start proofreading my emails and reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 19 hours ago, Pete said: 12/24/16 Tyrod went for 329 against Miami. Is it correct that before that the last 300 yard passer was JP Losman throwing for 340 against Texans 11/19/06? I realized we have been horrible passing for a long time, but I didn't realize it was that big a draught. Hopefully whenever Josh gets his shot, he can string together some 300 yard games and bring a new dimension to our offense There is no way in hell Tyrod ever threw for 300 yards. The Bills have had quite a few 300 yard passing erformances in the drought, but not from Tyrod. For there not to have been any 300 yard passing performances in the drought would be the equivalent to saying there were no 100 yard rushing games from a running back. 300 yard passing games are very common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Pete said: 12/24/16 Tyrod went for 329 against Miami. Is it correct that before that the last 300 yard passer was JP Losman throwing for 340 against Texans 11/19/06? I realized we have been horrible passing for a long time, but I didn't realize it was that big a draught. Hopefully whenever Josh gets his shot, he can string together some 300 yard games and bring a new dimension to our offense wasn't that an OT game? subtract X to get to T=L 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: 65 yards and a benching? or was this one of the games he got hurt, He was hurt in 3 or 4 but in this game they yanked him. Edited June 8, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 wasn't Tyrod's game including OT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Give Fitzy, Shady & not Chan Gailey has the HC the draught would have been over. Tyrod with Fred Jackson and Gailey has the HC, he's out of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 20 hours ago, Pete said: 12/24/16 Tyrod went for 329 against Miami. Is it correct that before that the last 300 yard passer was JP Losman throwing for 340 against Texans 11/19/06? I realized we have been horrible passing for a long time, but I didn't realize it was that big a draught. Hopefully whenever Josh gets his shot, he can string together some 300 yard games and bring a new dimension to our offense No, not correct 9/15/2016 v Jets [Edit - Bills had a 307 yd passing game but TT passed for 297, EJM for 10] none in 2015 3 - 300+ yd games for Orton in 2014 none in 2013 2 - 300+ yd games for Fitzy in 2012 3 - 300+ yd games for Fitzy in 2011 2 - 300+ yd games for Fitzy in 2010 (and another for 299) Not that we've had strong passing games, but better than none between 2016 and 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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