Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: NFL/ nfl fans: we’re cool with domestic violence, drunk driving, drug/ PED abuse, and out of control psychos. But there is no place in this league for kneeling!!! 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: by all accounts, it sounds like the Bills were giving a lot of help to RI and he mocked one of the guys helping him on twitter. Agree 100% on Mixon. It’s embarrassing to the league that he is in the nfl. but you honestly don’t see the problem with guys like Kaep/ Reid essentially being blackballed from the league that employs Mixon? What is the message you are sending to young fans? You can hit a women but don’t speak out on things you think are wrong! It seems to me as though you're creating a disjoint set which may or may not exist: People who support RI and are sympathetic People who support NFL Owners anthem policy and feel Kaep should be blackballed then arguing that it's awful. Can we establish that it exists, then why, before we establish that it's awful? And when you do, would it be possible to start another thread on that topic and not hijack this thread? 15 hours ago, Limeaid said: IMO this is what he should do: Go to Buffalo and talk to Bills staff - coaches and front office people including Pegulas. Admit issue was him and not them and that he was speaking when ill. Give them straight info from doctor on what doctor provided in terms of tests on kidneys and liver. Tell them he is being treated and will continue being treated. Tell them who on the team would be willing to support him during this period (i.e. Eric Wood) Ask for his job back but tell them due to circumstances he understands he will be waived week 1 so salary is not guaranteed. Play on week to week contract so that he has incentive to be his best each week. You're describing the very essence of a "high maintenance employee" situation. You might do that for a very very high performing game-changing player - a star pass rusher or QB, the guy who can make a difference in the game. It's also an unstable situation, since implied in what you write us that the Bills should be willing to part ways with RI on a week-to-week basis if he rolls off his meds I don't think that would be in either party's best interests, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha. It’s also funny that people buy drinks for “famous” people. I also don’t get buying a drink for a girl you just met. Bunch of thirsty suckers. I got it after he almost won the SB. i just find hypocrites pathetic. RI has done a bunch of terrible things through his life and some of you have a pity party for him. A dude kneels and has never been in trouble off the field is too far though! I personally hope Richie gets the help he clearly needs and I hope Kaep plays in the NFL again. I'm not sure why those two points of view can't go hand in hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Got u. I promise CB, there are exactly zero fans who watch Joe Mixon on Sundays and say, "Wow, that kid can run the football real good, maybe I should punch my girlfriend later." What silliness. When you phrase it like that it’s almost as silly as being so concrete as to not recognize that rewarding someone despite their abhorrent behavior sets a bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, transient said: When you phrase it like that it’s almost as silly as being so concrete as to not recognize that rewarding someone despite their abhorrent behavior sets a bad example. For who? Who could be so stupid to think that Mixon was rewarded for his bad behavior? Does anyone think he was drafted for his right hook? Show me this person. More likely is this is a boogeyman set up to make a point and doesn't actually exist. Also, if you say kids are that stupid (they aren't), the NFL's job is not to parent your kids. Tell your kids you shouldn't punch girls. Don't blame the NFL for not doing your job. Edited June 7, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: A mentally healthy and fully engaged Incognito certainly offers that. A mentally ill or "chemically altered" Incognito could be a distraction to the team, on and off the field. Add in, he's on the downhill side of his career, it's not like "take a risk, and you could be set at LG for the next 8 years" So it'll come down to the risk/reward perception...I doubt they'll overlook his issues, exactly, but if they talk to him and decide he's in the right place mentally, might be willing to take that risk. After they find out the straight dope on his failing liver and kidneys of course. They will find out that he made that up. I just don't see the market for an end of career 34 yo lineman with chronic massive swings in behavior (to put it very kindly). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: For who? Who could be so stupid to think that Mixon was rewarded for his bad behavior? Does anyone think he was drafted for his right hook? Show me this person. More likely is this is a boogeyman set up to make a point and doesn't actually exist. Also, if you say kids are that stupid (they aren't), the NFL's job is not to parent your kids. Tell your kids you shouldn't punch girls. Don't blame the NFL for not doing your job. You may want to look up the meaning of the word “despite,” it’s not a synonym of “for.” And how silly of me to think that in a world where youth is impacted by pop culture to the extent that it is that the lack of true consequences for an athelete’s indiscretions could send a bad message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, transient said: You may want to look up the meaning of the word “despite,” it’s not a synonym of “for.” And how silly of me to think that in a world where youth is impacted by pop culture to the extent that it is that the lack of true consequences for an athelete’s indiscretions could send a bad message. I know exactly what it means. But it can't send a bad example unless you thought he was getting rewarded for that bad behavior. Unless you thought that bad behavior helped him in some way, it makes ZERO sense. Mixon was a 1st-2nd round talent who fell because he punched that girl. You say that sets a bad example. It actually quite clearly demonstrates consequences of your actions. Only somebody incredibly stupid would think otherwise. The NFL isn't in the "sending messages to youths" business. They are in the "money and winning" business. And business is good. If a youth punches a girl, and personally blames Joe Mixon for doing so, nobody in the NFL should lose a second of sleep. The only people who should lose sleep is his bad parents who failed in their only job that truly matters. Parents parent. NFL people do NFL things. (Insert Charles Barkley I am not a role model) Edited June 7, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 17 hours ago, gr8billsfan said: Once Eric Wood retired, Richie lost his "light" and his anchor. Too bad he couldn't be that guy for the younger Bills OL and locker room. Would've been great if he stayed. Still, don't buy his kidney's and liver on the verge of failing though. This. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I know exactly what it means. But it can't send a bad example unless you thought he was getting rewarded for that bad behavior. Unless you thought that bad behavior helped him in some way, it makes ZERO sense. Mixon was a 1st-2nd round talent who fell because he punched that girl. You say that sets a bad example. It actually quite clearly demonstrates consequences of your actions. Only somebody incredibly stupid would think otherwise. The NFL isn't in the "sending messages to youths" business. They are in the "money and winning" business. And business is good. If a youth punches a girl, and personally blames Joe Mixon for doing so, nobody in the NFL should lose a second of sleep. The only people who should lose sleep is his bad parents who failed in their only job that truly matters. Parents parent. NFL people do NFL things. (Insert Charles Barkley I am not a role model) So you're saying he was a 1-2nd round talent who fell all the way to the 2nd round? Oh, the consequences... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 minute ago, transient said: So you're saying he was a 1-2nd round talent who fell all the way to the 2nd round? Oh, the consequences... Well he fell to #48. Hard to say exactly where he would have gone otherwise, but he did have a first round grade on him by many scouts. Probably cost him a couple mill. I know one thing. Nobody normal on this planet thinks it was good or okay that he punched that girl, even though he still got drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's also an unstable situation, since implied in what you write us that the Bills should be willing to part ways with RI on a week-to-week basis if he rolls off his meds I don't think that would be in either party's best interests, actually. When you are dealing with a person with such a problem (my daughter has a similar issue but non-violent) frequent feedback and checks are only way to proceed with success. It would help the Bills for there is no one available at his skill level at price they would get him at and would recover salary cap space they would lose otherwise with him being let go. For him he would be in situation where he was familiar with making it easier to get back on track. It is just MY opinion but based on dealing with this type of problem on a daily basis it is best way for both parties to get ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: When you are dealing with a person with such a problem (my daughter has a similar issue but non-violent) frequent feedback and checks are only way to proceed with success. It would help the Bills for there is no one available at his skill level at price they would get him at and would recover salary cap space they would lose otherwise with him being let go. For him he would be in situation where he was familiar with making it easier to get back on track. It is just MY opinion but based on dealing with this type of problem on a daily basis it is best way for both parties to get ahead. Limeaid, I wish all the best for you and your daughter. So obviously, your daughter is irreplaceable to you and thus worth all the maintenance in the world. Hopefully she is also not in a situation where an entire work team is depending upon her and its function will drop precipitously if she should need to take some time off and adjust her meds or what-have-you. For the Bills, one of two things is true: either Richie is indeed way ahead of anyone else they have on the roster or could sign - in which case, their line could take a precipitous drop if he should need to take some time off and adjust his meds - OR - he's ahead of others on the roster, but only slightly such that they could cope by scheming/playcalling and player development. In neither case does it seem good to me they should depend upon Richie - in the former case, they are applying an unstable patch and should instead look harder at possibilities available through FA or even a trade. In the latter case, they should focus on player development and make scheme adjustments from the start of the season, so that perhaps they'll develop a long-term answer and be further ahead at the end. From Richie's viewpoint, he won't be in the familiar situation if he relied heavily upon Wood, and Wood is gone. He'll also be in a pressure situation knowing that he's "under the microscope" (not good if his mental problems have a paranoid component, as is suggested by the gym incident) and knowing that if he needs time off, he's letting the team down. Just a counter-opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Oh, is this because of socks he wore? I agree they were dumb but it’s not like he’s been kicked off multiple colleges; voted dirtiest player in the nfl multiple times, quit on a team that gave him like his 5th chance; sexually harassed women at a golf tourney; and went after a guy who made the mistake of working out with him. RI just needs some “help.” NFL/ nfl fans: we’re cool with domestic violence, drunk driving, drug/ PED abuse, and out of control psychos. But there is no place in this league for kneeling!!! You're making a lot of assumptions. There are plenty of fans who think Kaep should have a shot at least as a backup (he's honestly not that good of a player), and who also think Incognito clearly has some mental health issues and needs meds. Most fans don't care if Kaep plays or not. Why should Bills fans care or think about him? But Richie Incognito has been a Bill for the past few years and gone to multiple pro bowls, and, by the way, has been a good teammate and kept out of trouble for the most part while here. That's why Bills fans are talking about him, because he was a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 18 hours ago, gr8billsfan said: Once Eric Wood retired, Richie lost his "light" and his anchor. Too bad he couldn't be that guy for the younger Bills OL and locker room. Would've been great if he stayed. Still, don't buy his kidney's and liver on the verge of failing though. In other words, his "Pilar"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: I know exactly what it means. But it can't send a bad example unless you thought he was getting rewarded for that bad behavior. Unless you thought that bad behavior helped him in some way, it makes ZERO sense. Mixon was a 1st-2nd round talent who fell because he punched that girl. You say that sets a bad example. It actually quite clearly demonstrates consequences of your actions. Only somebody incredibly stupid would think otherwise. The NFL isn't in the "sending messages to youths" business. They are in the "money and winning" business. And business is good. If a youth punches a girl, and personally blames Joe Mixon for doing so, nobody in the NFL should lose a second of sleep. The only people who should lose sleep is his bad parents who failed in their only job that truly matters. Parents parent. NFL people do NFL things. (Insert Charles Barkley I am not a role model) Yeah, the NFL is about winning and making money. It's actually a little surprising that nobody has signed Kaepernick for that very reason. He isn't that good of a QB, but he would be an upgrade for a couple teams and definitely be a better backup than some guys in the league. So it's pretty clear at this point everyone has agreed not to sign him. But if he was a franchise caliber guy he would be playing no matter what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Yeah, the NFL is about winning and making money. It's actually a little surprising that nobody has signed Kaepernick for that very reason. He isn't that good of a QB, but he would be an upgrade for a couple teams and definitely be a better backup than some guys in the league. So it's pretty clear at this point everyone has agreed not to sign him. But if he was a franchise caliber guy he would be playing no matter what he did. He will cost them money. Be a media headache, and that may cause losing. Bolded is 100% accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, MJS said: Yeah, the NFL is about winning and making money. It's actually a little surprising that nobody has signed Kaepernick for that very reason. He isn't that good of a QB, but he would be an upgrade for a couple teams and definitely be a better backup than some guys in the league. So it's pretty clear at this point everyone has agreed not to sign him. But if he was a franchise caliber guy he would be playing no matter what he did. He stopped winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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