Saban's response to Rosen's comments regarding the demands of college football

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, horned dogs said:

This is typical of D1 coaches more now than ever. As a former D1 hockey player at an IVY league school 30-35 years ago, and having my son take the same path in the last few years, let me shed a little perspective on it.

 

When I played, we had practice at 5:00 and it ended at 6:30-6:45. You headed over to the rink about 4:15- a short walk.  Shower and dinner after practice back home no later than 7:45. Total time per day 3.5 hours. Occasional community service commitments on weekend.

 

My son's experience was like a job and is viewed like that by the players and coach. Between meetings with coaches, lifting , special instruction ,watching film, practice, time with the trainer and doing many community type events, he had way more time invested. Hell after the games they were required to ride exercise bikes while family members waited for them. He easily averaged 6 hours a day on his sport. During this 6 hours, people who are not playing sports have a huge time advantage.

 

Summers are different too. My sons coach does NOT permit players to do summer internships! He wants them to be in town and working out. On more than couple occasions the coach screamed at the team ," I thought I was getting hockey players and instead I got students!" This is no kidding and at an IVY league institution. People have no idea how different it is.

 

People who think it is no different now, have  forgotten how big a business college sports have become. Careers, big contracts, egos, getting a better job, high stakes all play into it more than ever. And, Nick Saban is one of the worst I'm sure. Josh Rosen 1000% correct. Hell when i played we had some engineers on the team (I was one), Now-none..nadda..it doesn't work period end of it.

 

By the way, I applaud you and your son. Impressive to be really smart and also be a really good athlete,

[Robert James]

4 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Rosen from article : "Picking a difficult major and playing high-end college football is practically impossible, he said.

 

Saban has an undergraduate degree in business. Is that a difficult major?

 

3 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

No.  It is not.

 

Especially not at Kent State in the early 1970s.

Edited April 3, 2018 by Robert James

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

Rosen is right. Saban is wrong. Alabama is a cupcake academic school, while UCLA is not. And the amount of academic hours that a prestiguous UCLA major will require, won't even be close to the amount of hours that a run of the mill Alabama major will require.

 

Not all majors there are cupcakes. Some are some different, high ranking programs there.

[Robert James]

From the article:

"Saban cited statistics of players who players who got their degrees before finishing their playing careers."

 

Not terribly helpful for the vast majority of players who don't have a high-paying job and 5-6 months off every year after ending their college football careers without a degree. 

 

As for those who manage to play football and get a degree Saban seems to think that a small minority of players getting a degree before they leave college is good enough:

 

From the article:

"Again, Saban circled back to the graduation rates. It currently has 12 players who already earned undergraduate degrees."

[KGun12TD]

Satan is an a hole and a product of great recruiting! He’s a good coach and that’s all. He couldn’t coach men (see his NFL career) hence why he went back to boys.

 

who care what he thinks or say!

[Sweats]

5 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Excellent comments from the greatest college coach of all time.

 

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2017/08/nick_saban_football_isnt_any_m.html

 

 

Yeah, I’m just going to go ahead and say that Bear Bryant was the greatest of all time.

[Sky Diver]

8 minutes ago, Robert James said:

From the article:

"Saban cited statistics of players who players who got their degrees before finishing their playing careers."

 

Not terribly helpful for the vast majority of players who don't have a high-paying job and 5-6 months off every year after ending their college football careers without a degree. 

 

As for those who manage to play football and get a degree Saban seems to think that a small minority of players getting a degree before they leave college is good enough:

 

From the article:

"Again, Saban circled back to the graduation rates. It currently has 12 players who already earned undergraduate degrees."

 

I’m not sure what you are saying. These are players  that earned their degrees before they used up their football eligibility. Some earnee their undergraduate degree in less than 4 yrs.

[Robert James]

13 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I’m not sure what you are saying. These are players  that earned their degrees before they used up their football eligibility. Some earnee their undergraduate degree in less than 4 yrs.

I misunderstood, thanks for pointing it out.  I still think the generally-low graduation rates for college players support what Rosen said.

Edited April 3, 2018 by Robert James

[Sky Diver]

5 minutes ago, Robert James said:

I misunderstood, thanks for pointing it out.  I still think the generally-low graduation rates for college players supports what Rosen said.

 

Alabama’s graduation rate for football players is about 84%.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/108298402

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41 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Alabama’s graduation rate for football players is about 84%.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/108298402

The same article quotes their players academic standing as 'reasonable', not good. Basically, Alabama is a C+ academic school, acceptable but not good or excellent.

 

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Not all majors there are cupcakes. Some are some different, high ranking programs there.

That goes for every post secondary school, the point Rosen is making is that you will find few Alabama football players in demanding programs. And his point is accurate.

Edited April 3, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Bills757]

6 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

The same article quotes their players academic standing as 'reasonable', not good. Basically, Alabama is a C+ academic school, acceptable but not good or excellent.

 

That goes for every post secondary school, the point Rosen is making is that you will find few Alabama football players in demanding programs. And his point is accurate.

Rosen's point about Alabama players not majoring in difficult academic programs is nothing new.  Statistically speaking, for forever and a day, the better the player, the less likely he is to tackle engineering (or pre-med etc) as his major.  I'm just not sure why Rosen thinks he's breaking new ground with his comments.

[Robert James]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Alabama’s graduation rate for football players is about 84%.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/108298402

True, but I don't think Rosen's comments on the difficulty of college football combined with serious academics was focused specifically on Alabama.  He did mention their SAT requirements, but his comments were not generally focused directly on Alabama.  And, in fairness, most of top football schools find ways to get their players through by finding ways to soften their academic demands.  

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

My understanding is that all financial aid is need based. Do they bend the rules for athletes?

 

It’s category and semantics based just like the term “student athlete”.  Both provide financial assistance whether it’s a scholarship or financial aid.

 

No....they don’t bend rules for athletes.  It doesn’t matter how good you are if you don’t the grades.  Not the case for Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Florida, USC etc.....

6 minutes ago, Robert James said:

True, but I don't think Rosen's comments on the difficulty of college football combined with serious academics was focused specifically on Alabama.  He did mention their SAT requirements, but his comments were not generally focused directly on Alabama.  And, in fairness, most of top football schools find ways to get their players through by finding ways to soften their academic demands.  

 

I believe OSU created an AIDS awareness class for Andy Katzenmoyer or something like that just to get him eligible to play.

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, MURPHD6 said:

The same article quotes their players academic standing as 'reasonable', not good. Basically, Alabama is a C+ academic school, acceptable but not good or excellent.

 

That goes for every post secondary school, the point Rosen is making is that you will find few Alabama football players in demanding programs. And his point is accurate.

 

Rosen has no clue what he’s talking about regarding UA, and suggesting that UA isn’t a strong academic institution is ridiculous.

 

More than 40 percent of UA’s 7,407-member freshman class scored 30 or higher on the ACT, and 38 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school graduating class. The entering class in 2017 carries an average high school grade-point average of 3.72, with 34 percent having a high school GPA of 4.0 or higher.

 

Fifty-one UA students have been named Goldwater Scholars, including four in 2017. The University of Alabama has produced a total of 15 Rhodes Scholars, 16 Truman Scholars, 32 Hollings Scholars and 11 Boren Scholars.

 

UA is perennially ranked a top school for enrolling National Merit Scholars.

 

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20130206/ua-tops-list-of-freshman-national-merit-scholars

 

[Sky Diver]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It’s category and semantics based just like the term “student athlete”.  Both provide financial assistance whether it’s a scholarship or financial aid.

 

No....they don’t bend rules for athletes.  It doesn’t matter how good you are if you don’t the grades.  Not the case for Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Florida, USC etc.....

 

I believe OSU created an AIDS awareness class for Andy Katzenmoyer or something like that just to get him eligible to play.

 

“Ivy League schools provide financial aid to students, including athletes, only on the basis of financial need as determined by each institution’s Financial Aid Office. There are no academic or athletic scholarships in the Ivy League.”

 

https://ivyleague.com/sports/2017/7/28/information-psa-index.aspx

 

If you are a top athlete, I am sure that it increases your chances of enrollment.

 

 

[stony]

20 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Rosen has no clue what he’s talking about regarding UA, and suggesting that UA isn’t a strong academic institution is ridiculous.

 

More than 40 percent of UA’s 7,407-member freshman class scored 30 or higher on the ACT, and 38 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school graduating class. The entering class in 2017 carries an average high school grade-point average of 3.72, with 34 percent having a high school GPA of 4.0 or higher.

 

Fifty-one UA students have been named Goldwater Scholars, including four in 2017. The University of Alabama has produced a total of 15 Rhodes Scholars, 16 Truman Scholars, 32 Hollings Scholars and 11 Boren Scholars.

 

UA is perennially ranked a top school for enrolling National Merit Scholars.

 

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20130206/ua-tops-list-of-freshman-national-merit-scholars

 

Does Saban advise his players to skip classes like he skipped out on Miami? GD coward.

 

Boom...roasted.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

“Ivy League schools provide financial aid to students, including athletes, only on the basis of financial need as determined by each institution’s Financial Aid Office. There are no academic or athletic scholarships in the Ivy League.”

 

https://ivyleague.com/sports/2017/7/28/information-psa-index.aspx

 

If you are a top athlete, I am sure that it increases your chances of enrollment.

 

 

 

Just like if you’re a top Medical prodigy...it increases your chances.  So what’s your point?

 

Do you think a guy who writes at an 8th grade level gets into Harvard if he can ball?

 

I also said semantics.  If your tuition is paid for in full or partial, who cares what it’s termed?  People go to Ivy League schools for free all the time.

[Sky Diver]

13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Just like if you’re a top Medical prodigy...it increases your chances.  So what’s your point?

 

Do you think a guy who writes at an 8th grade level gets into Harvard if he can ball?

 

I also said semantics.  If your tuition is paid for in full or partial, who cares what it’s termed?  People go to Ivy League schools for free all the time.

 

My point? Since the competition is so stiff and grades/test scores are so evenly matched, you need a hook like being a top athlete (or a medical prodigy) to get into an Ivy League school.

 

Ivy League schools don’t offer academic or athletic scholarships, however, they tend to be very generous with need based aid.

 

I’m confused where we are in disagreement.

 

This kid made the news for turning down all 8 Ivy’s for Alabama. Alabama has a good track record for enrolling students in medical school. I suspect he’ll have no problem. I know a UA student who got his ChemE degree at UA, and his medical degree at UAB. He will be interning at Harvard. There are plenty of Ivy League caliber students at UA.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Royale with Cheese]

Time ranks Alabama as #557.

http://time.com/money/best-colleges/profile/the-university-of-alabama/

 

Forbes #264

https://www.forbes.com/colleges/the-university-of-alabama/

 

US News #110

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-alabama-1051

 

Alabama is a good school academically.   Not great, not poor, it’s a good.

 

Most powerhouse schools are very “flexible” getting their top athletes.  Most aren’t getting in if they aren’t a top athlete.  The minimum SAT when I was in school to play in the NCAA was 820 but scores are changed now.  So whatever is equivalent to 820 now, would get you into UA if you’re a good athlete....not a regular student.  The topic needs to be split between student athletes and academic students.

 

Rosen is correct when he says “demanding” degrees and full time football don’t mix.  A teammate of mine was at a crossroads as an Architecture major.  He was required to be in the lab a minimum amount of hours.  It was impossible while playing ball....he had to give up ball.  I’m sure he’s not the only one who has sacrificed.  I have a feeling Marcell Dareus was never put in a crossroads like that.  He’s there to play football first.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

You are putting words in my mouth.

 

My point? Since the competition is so stiff and grades/test scores are so evenly matched, you need a hook like being a top athlete (or a medical prodigy) to get into an Ivy League school.

 

Ivy League schools don’t offer academic or athletic scholarships, however, they tend to be very generous with need based aid.

 

I’m confused where we are in disagreement.

 

This kid made the news for turning down all 8 Ivy’s for Alabama. Alabama has a good track record for enrolling students in medical school. I suspect he’ll have no problem. I know a UA student who got his ChemE degree at UA, and his medical degree at UAB. He will be interning at Harvard. There are plenty of Ivy League caliber students at UA.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

 

 

 

 

Hes not the only student to turn down Ivy League Schools to go to another school.  

 

There are are plenty of Ivy League caliber students at UGA, Auburn, Clemson etc....I’m not sure what your point proves.

 

Myron Rolle was a Rhodes Scholar and now is a Neuroscientist I believe.  Does that mean FSU is a top academic school?  

 

Its not at the same level as a powerhouse college football program getting someone in.

Minimum NCAA requirements get you into any top program.  It’s not just football....it’s basketball too.  There are illiterate players in both sports playing on teams and somehow got into school.

[Sky Diver]

18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Time ranks Alabama as #557.

http://time.com/money/best-colleges/profile/the-university-of-alabama/

 

Forbes #264

https://www.forbes.com/colleges/the-university-of-alabama/

 

US News #110

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-alabama-1051

 

Alabama is a good school academically.   Not great, not poor, it’s a good.

 

Most powerhouse schools are very “flexible” getting their top athletes.  Most aren’t getting in if they aren’t a top athlete.  The minimum SAT when I was in school to play in the NCAA was 820 but scores are changed now.  So whatever is equivalent to 820 now, would get you into UA if you’re a good athlete....not a regular student.  The topic needs to be split between student athletes and academic students.

 

Rosen is correct when he says “demanding” degrees and full time football don’t mix.  A teammate of mine was at a crossroads as an Architecture major.  He was required to be in the lab a minimum amount of hours.  It was impossible while playing ball....he had to give up ball.  I’m sure he’s not the only one who has sacrificed.  I have a feeling Marcell Dareus was never put in a crossroads like that.  He’s there to play football first.

 

 

 

 

Frankly those rankings don’t mean much. Have you ever looked at the criteria?

 

Alabama’s 25th to 75th percentile ACT scores are 23 and 32. The average ACT is 27. 40% of students have an ACT of 30 or greater. However, as you can tell from the 25th percentile score, UA also enrolls  a lot of low stat students. Serving a broad range of students lowers it’s ranking. Does that diminish the quality of the education students get there? I don’t think so.

 

If you have a 33 ACT and a 3.5 GPA, UA gives you $25,000 yr. If you are in engineering, they give you another $2,500 yr. Assuming no financial aid, you can get a fine education at UA for about a quarter of the cost of an Ivy League school.

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Ol Dirty B]

No one cares about Saban, or Alabama on this board.

 

Go to a Bama board to talk tide. This has nothing to do with Rosen. Even if what he said is something you could somehow quantify as being wrong, it has nothing to do with what he's going to be as an NFL QB. 

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Frankly those rankings don’t mean much. Have you ever looked at the criteria?

 

Alabama’s 25th to 75th percentile ACT scores are 23 and 32. The average ACT is 27. 40% of students have an ACT of 30 or greater. However, as you can tell from the 25th percentile score, UA also enrolls  a lot of low stat students. Serving a broad range of students lowers it’s ranking. Does that diminish the quality of the students get there? I don’t think so.

 

If you have a 33 ACT and a 3.5 GPA, UA gives you $25,000 yr. If you are in engineering, they give you another $2,500 yr. Assuming no financial aid, you can get a fine education at UA for about a quarter of the cost of an Ivy League school.

 

Go to a Bama board... No one cares.

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1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Rosen has no clue what he’s talking about regarding UA, and suggesting that UA isn’t a strong academic institution is ridiculous.

 

More than 40 percent of UA’s 7,407-member freshman class scored 30 or higher on the ACT, and 38 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school graduating class. The entering class in 2017 carries an average high school grade-point average of 3.72, with 34 percent having a high school GPA of 4.0 or higher.

 

Fifty-one UA students have been named Goldwater Scholars, including four in 2017. The University of Alabama has produced a total of 15 Rhodes Scholars, 16 Truman Scholars, 32 Hollings Scholars and 11 Boren Scholars.

 

UA is perennially ranked a top school for enrolling National Merit Scholars.

 

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20130206/ua-tops-list-of-freshman-national-merit-scholars

 

Your cute, and clearly swallowing the promotional Kool aid. GPA's are weighted differently in different regions. Tougher schools will have lower average GPA's, and easier schools will inflate theirs. UCLA, where Rosen is attending, lists there average GPA at 4.31, so your average Alabama undergrad isn't even close. Rosen knows exactly what he is talking about. And for the record, Alabama has one of the poorest public education systems in the developed world. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Sky Diver]

Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone.

 

Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major.

 

I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about.

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Frankly those rankings don’t mean much. Have you ever looked at the criteria?

 

Alabama’s 25th to 75th percentile ACT scores are 23 and 32. The average ACT is 27. 40% of students have an ACT of 30 or greater. However, as you can tell from the 25th percentile score, UA also enrolls  a lot of low stat students. Serving a broad range of students lowers it’s ranking. Does that diminish the quality of the education students get there? I don’t think so.

 

If you have a 33 ACT and a 3.5 GPA, UA gives you $25,000 yr. If you are in engineering, they give you another $2,500 yr. Assuming no financial aid, you can get a fine education at UA for about a quarter of the cost of an Ivy League school.

 

 

Which is why I said it’s a good school but you can’t accept that.  You need to hear great or something.

 

You don’t think Time or Forbes researched the criteria?  You think they just guessed the rankings?

 

Alabama is at the level academically as other major state schools.  It’s the same as Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida, Texas etc....

[Elite Poster]

AJ McCarron is a backup NFL QB. 

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8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone.

 

Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major.

 

I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about.

Rosen goes to the most prestigious public post-secondary institution in the world. Alot of folk view the University of California's network _ UCLA, Berkely, San Diego, Santa Cruz, etc. as being better than the Ivy League, because the Ivy league lets in way too many connected rich kids whose parents buy there way in.

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone.

 

Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major.

 

I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about.

 Demanding degrees don’t need to come from Ivy League schools.  Demanding degreee are Engineering, Mathematics, Medical, Science etc....

 

Its not marketing, business or communications.  That’s what he meant.

 

If Rosen didn’t know what he was talking about, his comments wouldn’t have made so much noise.

 

Do you agree or disagree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen?  You like using AL.com

 

Whats Rosen’s major?

[Sky Diver]

6 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Your cute, and clearly swallowing the promotional Kool aid. GPA's are weighted differently in different regions. Tougher schools will have lower average GPA's, and easier schools will inflate theirs. UCLA, where Rosen is attending, lists there average GPA at 4.31, so your average Alabama undergrad isn't even close. Rosen knows exactly what he is talking about. And for the record, Alabama has one of the poorest public education systems in the developed world. 

 

There are just about as many elite students at UA as UCLA. 25th percentile ACT is 32 at UA vs 33 at UCLA. 

 

Even though UA enrolls a lot of low stat students the average ACT between the 2 schools isn’t that far off: 27 vs 29.

 

The majority of students at Alabama are from out of state.

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Which is why I said it’s a good school but you can’t accept that.  You need to hear great or something.

 

You don’t think Time or Forbes researched the criteria?  You think they just guessed the rankings?

 

Alabama is at the level academically as other major state schools.  It’s the same as Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida, Texas etc....

 

Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M are the best SEC schools. Alabama is probably 5th. 

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6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

There are just about as many elite students at UA as UCLA. 25th percentile ACT is 32 at UA vs 33 at UCLA. 

 

Even though UA enrolls a lot of low stat students the average ACT between the 2 schools isn’t that far off: 27 vs 29.

 

The majority of students at Alabama are from out of state.

That means nothing. There are elite students at EVERY INSTITUTION. What matters is the floor, the cut off, the programs that are charging 30,000 tuition for crap. And those programs are common at sports oriented schools.

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Sky Diver]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 Demanding degrees don’t need to come from Ivy League schools.  Demanding degreee are Engineering, Mathematics, Medical, Science etc....

 

Its not marketing, business or communications.  That’s what he meant.

 

If Rosen didn’t know what he was talking about, his comments wouldn’t have made so much noise.

 

Do you agree or disagree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen?  You like using AL.com

 

Whats Rosen’s major?

 

Demanding degrees are school independent. For example, any ABET accredited engineering school will have the same curriculum.

 

Rosen is majoring in economics. Not an easy major, but not as demanding as engineering, mathematics, computer science, natural science, etc.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

UCLA acceptance rate is 18%.

Alabama is 54%.

 

So more than half of the students who apply at Alabama get in.

 

It’s much harder to get into UCLA.

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

That means nothing. There are elite students at EVERY INSTITUTION. What matters is the floor, the cut off, the programs that are charging 30,000 tuition for crap. And those programs are common at sports oriented schools.

 

Having a 75th percentile ACT of 32 puts Alabama among the public Ivy’s.

 

The 25th percentile of 23 is largely demographic driven.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Demanding degrees are school independent. For example, any ABET accredited engineering school will have the same curriculum.

 

Rosen is majoring in economics. Not an easy major, but not as demanding as engineering, mathematics, computer science, natural science, etc.

 

 

The STEM degrees are not school dependent.  They are demanding everywhere.

 

If Rosen wants to pursue Economics at a higher level, it’s very demanding.

 

Dobuou agree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen?

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Having a 75th percentile ACT of 32 puts Alabama among the public Ivy’s.

 

The 25th percentile of 23 is largely demographic driven.

 

When more than half of students who apply get in, it’s not among the ivy’s.

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10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The STEM degrees are not school dependent.  They are demanding everywhere.

 

If Rosen wants to pursue Economics at a higher level, it’s very demanding.

 

Dobuou agree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen?

Absolutely. Engineering at any instituion is more demanding than most Alabama programs. Economics is not on that level, but its not easy and not offered at most schools (Marketing is way easier, btw) Most general ranking numbers are marketing BS aimed at stupid parents. The lowest performing student in Rosen's program is, more likely than not, a higher achiever than the majority of student athletes that make up Sabans squad. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Sky Diver]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The STEM degrees are not school dependent.  They are demanding everywhere.

 

If Rosen wants to pursue Economics at a higher level, it’s very demanding.

 

Dobuou agree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen?

 

When more than half of students who apply get in, it’s not among the ivy’s.

 

Look at the 75th percentile scores of the public Ivy’s. They are generally 32 - 33. 

 

If you are in a demanding major, the low stat students are weeded out and if you are in honors, you will be among other high stat students. Just because UA enrolls low stat students it doesn’t mean that you interact with them academically. Most large flagships are a university within a university.

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6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Look at the 75th percentile scores of the public Ivy’s. They are generally 32 - 33. 

 

If you are in a demanding major, the low stat students are weeded out and if you are in honors, you will be among other high stat students. Just because UA enrolls low stat students it doesn’t mean that you interact with them academically. Most large flagships are a university within a university.

It means that they can play football. Alabama football players are not enrolled in Flagship programs. That is Rosen' point, and its not Sabans point, so I hope that you agree with Rosen now.

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Sky Diver]

2 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Absolutely. Engineering at any instituion is more demanding than most Alabama programs. Economics is not on that level, but its not easy and not offered at most schools (Marketing is way easier, btw) Most general ranking numbers are marketing BS aimed at stupid parents. The lowest performing student in Rosen's program is, more likely than not, a higher achiever than the majority of student athletes that make up Sabans squad. 

 

Why would you think engineering at Alabama is easy, lol.

 

Why do you have such a high opinion of UCLA? They had one of the worst records of lowering the bar for athletes. Maybe they have cleaned up their act.

 

http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/

1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said:

It means that they can play football. Alabama football players are not enrolled in Flagship programs. That is Rosen' point, and its not Sabans point, so I hope that you agree with Rosen now.

 

I don’t think Rosen had a point nor did he have a clue about what he was taking about. That’s the problem. But he’s perceived by some as a genius.

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There are alot of nuances that you don't understand, and your Roll Tide enthusiasm is clouding your thinking. Alot of people in education have high opinions of UCLA, Alabama not so much. And no, engineering at Alabama is not easy. Its hard everywhere.Alabama has cupcake programs buit for athletes, and people look down on that. The football team wins, the athletes don't get paid, the school makes money, but if your a player who doesn't make the NFL your not necessarily getting rewarded with a solid education, irregardless of what Saban might say. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Sky Diver]

UCLA and UA are both fine schools that provide great educations. I am sure that if you knew more about Alabama you would agree. 84% of UA’s football players are earning degrees. That’s a good thing.

 

Why Rosen felt the need to demean Alabama and a couple of Clemson players who earned their degrees early is beyond me. I’m not sure what good he thought could come from it.

[Ol Dirty B]

9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

UCLA and UA are both fine schools that provide great educations. I am sure that if you knew more about Alabama you would agree. 84% of UA’s football players are earning degrees. That’s a good thing.

 

Why Rosen felt the need to demean Alabama and a couple of Clemson players who earned their degrees early is beyond me. I’m not sure what good he thought could come from it.

 

So... now we finally get to the real reason for the thread... Wow that is amazing. I hope we draft the kid even more. You're sensitive over the school you went to? Get over it... Who cares... People who go to a lot of these schools are like !@#$ing loons who join cults. I'm not just singling you out, trust me, I know people who are just as absurd and crazy who went to PSU, MSU, ND, and LSU. 

 

It's a really annoying trait to have though to be honest. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Ol Dirty B