Are We a Playoff Team with A.J. ?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

McDermott and Beane signed AJ Mccarron.  I'm good with their choice 

[Stank_Nasty]

56 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Peterman is still with the team and TT isn't. 

2015 season[edit]

McCarron was named the backup quarterback to begin the season after beating out Keith Wenning and Terrelle Pryor during training camp. He played in his first preseason game on August 14, 2015, completing 11 of 15 passes for 97 yards against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.^[57] He started in the final preseason game at Indianapolis and completed 15 of 28 passes for 219 yards.^[58]

In Week 9, he appeared in his first career game against the Cleveland Browns.^[59] On November 29, 2015, he completed his first career pass attempt for a three-yard completion against the St. Louis Rams.^[60] The following week, McCarron completed 2 out of 3 passes for 19 yards against the Cleveland Browns.^[61]

On December 13, 2015, starting quarterback Andy Dalton fractured the thumb on his throwing hand while trying to make a tackle in the first quarter against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Steelers won 33–20, McCarron came in and completed 22 of 32 passes for 280 yards, with two touchdowns and two interceptions.^[62] The following week, McCarron became the first Alabama quarterback to win an NFL game since Jeff Rutledge of the New York Giantsin 1987, when the Bengals beat the San Francisco 49ers 24–14. In his first career start he completed 15 of 29 passes and one touchdown.^[63] On December 28, 2015, McCarron completed 22 of 35 passes for 200 yards and a touchdown in a 17-20 loss to the Denver Broncos.^[64] On January 9, in the AFC Wild Card round, McCarron completed 23 of 41 passes for 212 yards, with one touchdown and one interception, but the Bengals lost to the Steelers, 18–16, ending their season.^[65]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJ_McCarron}

is this supposed to prove you point? so in 2 of the 5 games he saw significant time in he tossed for over 200 yds(280, 212)..... along with 2 int to go with that 280.

 

he hopefully has improved over the last couple of years and I sincerely hope we found a gem with him but the dude has done nothing to prove he's gonna push the ball down the field or be an upgrade. its funny to me you bring up yardage in the argument as to why McCarron will be an upgrade when the guy merely managed games and most definitely wasn't slinging the ball around the yard.

30 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

McDermott and Beane signed AJ Mccarron.  I'm good with their choice 

i'm fine with it too. but lets not pretend his numbers indicate in the least that he's gonna significantly open up the pass game. 

 

he very well could open it up. and I hope he does. but prior performance isn't what people should use in their argument.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

i'm fine with it too. but lets not pretend his numbers indicate in the least that he's gonna significantly open up the pass game. 

 

he very well could open it up. and I hope he does. but prior performance isn't what people should use in their argument.

His numbers - matter as much as Tyrods numbers.   

2-1 as a starter in the regular season, 0-1 in the playoffs.  He led the Bengals to a lead late in the 4th QTR only to have 2 morons on defense get consecutive 15 yard penalties that put the Steelers in FG range and the Bungles lost by 2 points.  

 

6 TD's and 2 INTs.    AJ came into a game where he played after Dalton left the game with an injury and he scored 2 TD's and 2 INT's .  

 

closing out the 2015 regular season he scored 4 more TD's and 0 INT's   - indicating he "protected the ball" 

In the playoffs (again) against the Steelers he had 1 TD and 1 INT.  He had the lead with under 2 minutes 

 

1st and 10 at PIT 26

(1:36 - 4th) J.Hill right guard to PIT 20 for 6 yards (R.Shazier; J.Jones). FUMBLES (R.Shazier), RECOVERED by PIT-R.Cockrell at PIT 12. R.Cockrell to PIT 9 for -3 yards (C.Boling; A.Green). The Replay Official reviewed the fumble ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands.

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1st and 10 at CIN 47

(0:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to A.Brown. PIT-A.Brown was injured during the play. PENALTY on CIN-V.Burfict, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 47 - No Play. PENALTY on CIN-A.Jones, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

1st and 10 at CIN 32

(0:18 - 4th) PENALTY on CIN-A.Jones, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 32 - No Play.

1st and 10 at CIN 17

(0:14 - 4th) Chris Boswell 35 Yd Field Goal

[Stank_Nasty]

7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

His numbers - matter as much as Tyrods numbers.   

2-1 as a starter in the regular season, 0-1 in the playoffs.  He led the Bengals to a lead late in the 4th QTR only to have 2 morons on defense get consecutive 15 yard penalties that put the Steelers in FG range and the Bungles lost by 2 points.  

 

6 TD's and 2 INTs.    AJ came into a game where he played after Dalton left the game with an injury and he scored 2 TD's and 2 INT's .  

 

closing out the 2015 regular season he scored 4 more TD's and 0 INT's   - indicating he "protected the ball" 

In the playoffs (again) against the Steelers he had 1 TD and 1 INT.  He had the lead with under 2 minutes 

 

1st and 10 at PIT 26

(1:36 - 4th) J.Hill right guard to PIT 20 for 6 yards (R.Shazier; J.Jones). FUMBLES (R.Shazier), RECOVERED by PIT-R.Cockrell at PIT 12. R.Cockrell to PIT 9 for -3 yards (C.Boling; A.Green). The Replay Official reviewed the fumble ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands.

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1st and 10 at CIN 47

(0:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to A.Brown. PIT-A.Brown was injured during the play. PENALTY on CIN-V.Burfict, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 47 - No Play. PENALTY on CIN-A.Jones, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

1st and 10 at CIN 32

(0:18 - 4th) PENALTY on CIN-A.Jones, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 32 - No Play.

1st and 10 at CIN 17

(0:14 - 4th) Chris Boswell 35 Yd Field Goal

you are exactly right. they matter as much as taylors.....so you're telling me that games of 160, 180, 200, and 212 indicate he's gonna open up the pass game? people rushed to run the qb out of town that posted subpar numbers like that but this guy has similar numbers and is gonna be a sure upgrade that's gonna open things up? commmeeeee onnnnnnn man. 

 

that's just silly talk. 

 

and you don't have to give the play by play. I watched the game. he has a nice fourth quarter comeback on his resume. its most definitely a positive....  but they scored 16 pts..... yup. that seems like he really holds the pass game wide open when he plays. again, he might be an upgrade. he might win some games. I really hope he does. but lets not pretend that anything he's done in the past was anything other than manage games on a team that freaking LOADED.

Edited April 3, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

you are exactly right. they matter as much as taylors.....so you're telling me that games of 160, 180, 200, and 212 indicate he's gonna open up the pass game? people rushed to run the qb out of town that posted subpar numbers like that but this guy has similar numbers and is gonna be a sure upgrade that's gonna open things up? commmeeeee onnnnnnn man. 

 

that's just silly talk. 

 

and you don't have to give the play by play. I watched the game. he has a nice fourth quarter comeback on his resume. its most definitely a positive....  but they scored 16 pts..... yup. that seems like he really holds the pass game wide open when he plays. again, he might be an upgrade. he might win some games. I really hope he does. but lets not pretend that anything he's done in the past was anything other than manage games on a team that freaking LOADED.

to begin

•  Lets look at the situation and ponder .....  

Sophomore AJ - came in late in the season when teams are playing their best defensive schemes (or should be) 

He was playing his first NFL games.   

It could be that coaches wanted to play it "safe" and limit the game plan.  Short outs and such.  

 

• 2) The Steelers scored 18 to the Bengals 16.   15 prior to the two 15 yard gifts

 

In conclusion...  

• 3) IF the same pedestrian passing yards was good for Buffalo in 2017 then the same pedestrian passing yards should be good for Buffalo in 2018. 

 

• I never want to hear Make him a QB as a key to winning a game.   

 

Sub Note - The key to beating Blake Bortles......  Make him a QB

 

Edited April 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Stank_Nasty]

16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

In conclusion...  

• 3) IF the same pedestrian passing yards was good for Buffalo in 2017 then the same pedestrian passing yards should be good for Buffalo in 2018. 

  

 

 

 

uh. it wasn't good for them. that's why the old qb is now gone. that's why I was ready to move on from him after 16. you just mistake my rational view of the prior qb, and me not having ridiculous takes on him or bashing him constantly, as apparently saying he was good enough. that's not the case. he wasn't good enough. he's gone.

 

and again.... I don't care what the circumstances were. when people say McCarron is gonna open up the pass game they literally have no evidence to back that up. its wishful thinking. the guy managed games on a loaded roster. 

 

if people wanna argue they think he's improved since 15 and that's why he'll be an upgrade and open the offense, that's fine...... but the bottom line is he's done nothing to prove it as of yet. can that even be argued? do you look back at 160, 180, 200, and 212 in his four starts and think "oh man, that's an upgrade. that's an upgrade on the passing attack"??? I get it. you're the whole "anyone but taylor" type of guy. but McCarron has shown nothing, outside of one 4th quarter comeback, to show he'll open anything up. if taylors numbers weren't enough for you then how on earths do mccarrons make you think he'll be an upgrade.

 

this isn't me writing off McCarron. I think he may have improved in the last couple of years and I think he might surprise people. but I wont pretend he's an automatic upgrade when the only sample size we have from him is very similar to what we just had. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

uh. it wasn't good for them. that's why the qb is now gone. that's why I was ready to move on from him after 16. you just mistake my rational view of the prior qb, and me not having ridiculous takes on him or bashing him constantly, as apparently saying he was good enough. that's not the case. he wasn't good enough. he's gone.

 

and again.... I don't care what the circumstances were. when people say he's McCarron is gonna open up the pass game they literally have no evidence to back that up. its wishful thinking. the guy managed games on a loaded roster. 

 

if people wanna argue they think he's improved and that's why he'll be an upgrade and open the offense, that's fine...... but the bottom line is he's done nothing to prove it as of yet. can that even be argued? do you look back at 160, 180, 200, and 212 in his four starts and think "oh man, that's an upgrade. that's an upgrade on the passing attack"??? I get it. you're the whole "anyone but taylor" type of poster. but McCarron has shown nothing, outside of one 4th quarter comeback, to show he'll open anything up.

EFFECTIVENESS of the passing game versus the EFFICIENCY. 

Its a whole 4 games compared to 45 ish if you choose to reference TT.  

• If AJ McCarron puts up # like 164, 85, 92, 212, you know dam well I'll be in front of the line saying enough is enough. 
• If AJ McCarron doesn't throw his receivers open, you know dam well I'll be in front of the line saying enough is enough
• If AJ McCarron abandons the pocket too early and scrambles around for 5 seconds, you know dam well I'll be in front of the line saying enough is enough

We needed a change and one came.  Maybe this guy will satisfy Bills fans for a period.  If not Next Man Up.  

Edited April 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[BuffaloHokie13]

I know I'm hard on Nate because of his previous performance, but I'm not convinced that he won't beat AJ for a starting spot if a talented rookie isn't added in the draft.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I know I'm hard on Nate because of his previous performance, but I'm not convinced that he won't beat AJ for a starting spot if a talented rookie isn't added in the draft.

 

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

It's more of a reflection of the unknown of McC than an endorsement of Nate. I generally agree with your sentiment, which is why I think our draft intentions are so incredibly apparent.

[John from Riverside]

We honestly dont know how good AJM is.....we really dont

[CountDorkula]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I know I'm hard on Nate because of his previous performance, but I'm not convinced that he won't beat AJ for a starting spot if a talented rookie isn't added in the draft.

Its because neither of them are very good.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's more of a reflection of the unknown of McC than an endorsement of Nate. I generally agree with your sentiment, which is why I think our draft intentions are so incredibly apparent.

 

I don't believe he's that much of an unknown. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's more of a reflection of the unknown of McC than an endorsement of Nate. I generally agree with your sentiment, which is why I think our draft intentions are so incredibly apparent.

Careful now.  26 might start to call you Mrs Peterman.  

Just now, John from Riverside said:

We honestly dont know how good AJM is.....we really dont

this is true.   We don't know if he will suck, or if he will be = to or if he will be much better.   

 

Trust The Process  

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

I don't believe he's that much of an unknown. 

4 games of mediocrity from 2 years ago isn't enough for me to make a decision one way or the other.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I don't believe he's that much of an unknown. 

4 games for AJ, your new love interest Jimmy G  7 games... 1 game - Nate sucks

 

How can you claim so much with so much certainty on so little?  

 

9 out of 10 times It takes more than a full season to evaluate the worth of a player.   

 

Edited April 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

4 games of mediocrity from 2 years ago isn't enough for me to make a decision one way or the other.

 

I went back via gamepass to watch him perform with CIN in 2015.  I've seen enough to think he's a game decent manager.  No different than looking at Garoppolo in limited action to see that his talent shine through in so many areas. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

there you go.   nice job explaining your reasoning.   

Edited April 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

4 games of mediocrity from 2 years ago isn't enough for me to make a decision one way or the other.

 

 

so then it's wait and see for you. no one knows based off the little nfl experience but I would bet 10 to 1 he does better then the last stop gap QB. those that brought him in never would of signed him had they not felt he was going to be the better option? 

 

we shall see.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

so then it's wait and see for you. no one knows based off the little nfl experience but I would bet 10 to 1 he does better then the last stop gap QB. those that brought him in never would of signed him had they not felt he was going to be the better option? 

 

we shall see.

Toss out some parameters. I might be interested in wagering $100 to make $1000