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jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I don't buy it. The NFL is a win now league and very fewer coaches have the time to draft a guy to sit on the bench for a year or two when the alternative is a player who can make an immediate impact right now (Barkley, Chubb, Nelson). I think each of the Giants and Broncos pass on QBs for impact players and ultimately I think the QBs go a little later than expected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: I don't buy it. The NFL is a win now league and very fewer coaches have the time to draft a guy to sit on the bench for a year or two when the alternative is a player who can make an immediate impact right now (Barkley, Chubb, Nelson). I think each of the Giants and Broncos pass on QBs for impact players and ultimately I think the QBs go a little later than expected. You might not buy it, but you'd better believe NFL personnel offices are well aware of the potential QB prospects or lack thereof in the next draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Let it play our on Draft Day... sit tight Beane, let the loose cannons lose their heads!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You might not buy it, but you'd better believe NFL personnel offices are well aware of the potential QB prospects or lack thereof in the next draft. They might be aware, but I don't think it'll impact this year's thinking for anyone except maybe the 3-4 teams who really need a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: They might be aware, but I don't think it'll impact this year's thinking for anyone except maybe the 3-4 teams who really need a QB. There's immediate need for some and then there are long term needs that several teams have. Edited March 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You might not buy it, but you'd better believe NFL personnel offices are well aware of the potential QB prospects or lack thereof in the next draft. And this is why we need to make the move. I am starting to feel it will take our 2-1's and a 2 this year plus a 1 next year. I really think the 1 next year is key and I hate to do it, but as Allbright tweeted last night (it is also in line with Badol's thoughts on which positions to prioritize in the draft); nothing trumps QB... Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 15h15 hours ago More 1. Passer 2. Pass rusher 3. Pass protector 4. Pass defender 5. Pass catcher --- Everyone else. *in order list of on-field importance/impact in modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 This seems to be part of the QB hype machine pushed by the sports media to keep interest -- and anxiety -- among football fans high. Since 2000, most drafts have only produced 1 decent NFL starting QB (at least on a Cutler-Flacco-Dalton-Tannehill level) from the first round. Occasionally, drafts have produced no quality starters or multiple starters. In some drafts, especially recently, teams have found starting QBs after the first round. I really don't think NFL scouting departments are paying much attention to 2019 prospects at present, either. They have enough on their plates getting their 2018 draft boards put together to be worrying about 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's immediate need for some and then there are long term needs that several teams have. Sure, but the long term need is something teams rarely draft 1st round QBs for. The Giants have made moves to upgrade their roster. They haven't taken the approach of a team that's rebuilding. Put Barkley in that backfield with Eli and a healthy Odell and you have a really good offense. The Broncos have one of the best rosters in the league and they just gave Case Keenum a two year $36 mil contract with $26 mil guaranteed. They're good at QB for two years and could desperately use an impact player like Nelson or Chubb. They could compete for the playoffs next year and beyond. The next team who needs a QB is Miami. Not sure if any of the guys drop that far. Then Arizona, and they're not mortgaging their future given how many holes they have all over their roster. Past those teams you really begin reaching for teams who would draft a QB in round 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's immediate need for some and then there are long term needs that several teams have. I think with the Giants, they only go for a guy who could sit 2 years (like Allen) I couldn't see them drafting Rosen, darnold, or Baker at #2 and planning to sit him until 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Sure, but the long term need is something teams rarely draft 1st round QBs for. The Giants have made moves to upgrade their roster. They haven't taken the approach of a team that's rebuilding. Put Barkley in that backfield with Eli and a healthy Odell and you have a really good offense. The Broncos have one of the best rosters in the league and they just gave Case Keenum a two year $36 mil contract with $26 mil guaranteed. They're good at QB for two years and could desperately use an impact player like Nelson or Chubb. They could compete for the playoffs next year and beyond. The next team who needs a QB is Miami. Not sure if any of the guys drop that far. Then Arizona, and they're not mortgaging their future given how many holes they have all over their roster. Past those teams you really begin reaching for teams who would draft a QB in round 1. The Broncos have no long term solution despite Keenum being signed, Miami is very much interested in QB just as Arizona is with Bradford/Glennon as their top two. BTW, Arizona is not bereft of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 They won't be saying that after Haskins is done next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 If only there were a couple of QBs available to draft last year. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: I think with the Giants, they only go for a guy who could sit 2 years (like Allen) I couldn't see them drafting Rosen, darnold, or Baker at #2 and planning to sit him until 2020 I just can't see the Giants taking a QB. They can get two impact players from the #2 and #34 pick to put with their FA acquisitions and getting Beckham back healthy. Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: The Broncos have no long term solution despite Keenum being signed, Miami is very much interested in QB just as Arizona is with Bradford/Glennon as their top two. BTW, Arizona is not bereft of talent. Why can't Case Keenum be the long term solution? He's 30 years old... And I know Miami and Arizona are interested, but are either of them in a position to move up in the draft? I don't see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You might not buy it, but you'd better believe NFL personnel offices are well aware of the potential QB prospects or lack thereof in the next draft. I'm with jrober on this. This is just media hype just like the predictions that all four of the top QBs will go in the top five picks or that six QBs are likely to go in the first round. Just because media mavens haven't heard about a lot of collegiate QBs doesn't mean that NFL scouts haven't seen some younger QBs they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I just can't see the Giants taking a QB. They can get two impact players from the #2 and #34 pick to put with their FA acquisitions and getting Beckham back healthy. Why can't Case Keenum be the long term solution? He's 30 years old... And I know Miami and Arizona are interested, but are either of them in a position to move up in the draft? I don't see it. He's a journeyman irrespective of his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, nucci said: If only there were a couple of QBs available to draft last year. Exactly. I 3 months there will be plenty to speculate about. More offseason click bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's a journeyman irrespective of his age. And that means he can't get better? Vance Joseph needs to win now or he's getting fired. Drafting a QB and sitting him on the bench for 2 or more years doesn't make any sense when the rest of their roster is as good as it is. They've got Keenum to right the ship. Get the elite pass rusher or all pro Guard and contend for the AFC West title next year. Edited March 23, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 There's real gray area on this issue. You can rationally hold various positions. Beane has to make his best guess how likely teams like the Giants, Broncos, or Dolphins are to choose qb. He also has to anticipate a team like the Cardinals or even the Chargers moving up to grab a future qb. One can stipulate that most teams are in a win now mode, but that doesn't preclude a "lower odds likelihood" event where a team opts to get a qb for the future. Browns and Jets get qb; 2 of the top 4 should be qb. After that, it's a guess where and when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I just can't see the Giants taking a QB. They can get two impact players from the #2 and #34 pick to put with their FA acquisitions and getting Beckham back healthy. I tend to believe the Giants aren't going QB either as I think their ownership is nowhere near ready to move on from Eli, they feel terrible about him being benched last year and aren't going to turn around and draft his replacement this year. I believe they are going to take their time and evaluate every top prospect. If they see one guy (Chubb or Barkley) as simply too good to give up, I think they stay at 2 and take the player. If they see 2 or 3 guys on that level and Denver is willing to meet their price they move down to 5, get more picks and get a guy like like. If they like ~9 guys with no one head and shoulders above the field, they take all our picks and go to 12, potentially allowing themselves to move back up again. Edited March 23, 2018 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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