With the 12th Pick Bills select

[PIZ]

16 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

What pick does Buffalo have to get to, to land Mayfield?

 

The more I read about these "top" QB prospects, the more I don't like them.  Mayfield reminds me of an annoying little kid that my wife used to babysit, so he is now off my board.  I'm starting to lean towards Roquon Smith at 12 and Lamar Jackson at 22.

[Thurman#1]

On 3/13/2018 at 11:47 PM, USABuffaloFan said:

Why does everyone think Beane is so calculating he makes all these great trades for picks, then gives half away to grab a QB who is not a consensus #1 and probably not starting this year for us. Do you think he wants to lose this year? We have 19 free agents with 8 picks now. We have only about 20mil left after pick maybe 25mil. This means under the scenario we make the trade with a 2nd and 5th and 6th pick. That means all other players are under $1 mil players, scrubs basically. Good luck winning. Bills have almost $40 mil on dead money. Maybe we moved to 12 to get best player available to win now still and it COULD be a QB of the future but more likely a DT, LB or WR or CB.

 

 

Because winning this year is both unlikely and a lot less important than growing and putting themselves in position for consistent long term success.

 

I think he cares less about winning this year than doing that.

 

Why make those great trades for picks and give half away? Because it's the best move for the team. Because without a franchise QB you're simply not likely to be seriously competitive for a Super Bowl even occasionally, much less regularly.

 

Bottom line? Why make those great trades and give half away?

 

Because it's the best move.

[Ol Dirty B]

On 3/14/2018 at 8:12 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

With AJ on board...and now some teams ahead of us maybe not taking a QB anymore, I think its plausible we could stay put at 12 and let draft fall to us.

 

If so...I think its either Vita or Roquan, depending whose on the board.  I think Roquan would be the guy if both are.

 

I'm lost, so you combine the fact we signed AJ and that some teams signed QB's ahead of us in the draft, that they might not draft a QB anymore... 

 

Then we'll sit there and let the draft fall to us, then, we throw the ultimate curveball and with QB's sitting there at 12 we go DT or LB?

12 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

It is quite possible.  No one really knows accept the Bills.  If they stay at 12 they could have their pick from one of the below.  If they pick one, I could say them trade up a little from 22 to get a QB like Lamar Jackson or possibly someone drops.....I really could see Josh Allen drop,

 

Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech

Derwin James, S, Florida State

Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia

Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama

Harold Landry, EDGE, Boston College

Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State

 

That's the 2004 draft, no thanks... You go and get the QB, if the QB isn't more valuable than the other positional player you're going to draft, no thanks to that QB. 

[Lfod]

I just have this strange feeling that the Bills didn't trade up to #12 to pick at #12. Like they intend to move up as far as they can in the draft to select a QB. I know it sounds dumb but I think the Bills are not done moving up yet. 

Edited March 16, 2018 by Lfod

[iccrewman112]

On 3/14/2018 at 5:12 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

If so...I think its either Vita or Roquan, depending whose on the board.  I think Roquan would be the guy if both are.

 

I'm on board with a LB at 12 want Edmunds there. But I'm. Other stopping there, I'm doubling down at 22 with Vanderesch.

[USABuffaloFan]

On 3/15/2018 at 12:26 PM, PIZ said:

 

It is quite possible.  No one really knows accept the Bills.  If they stay at 12 they could have their pick from one of the below.  If they pick one, I could say them trade up a little from 22 to get a QB like Lamar Jackson or possibly someone drops.....I really could see Josh Allen drop,

 

Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech

Derwin James, S, Florida State

Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia

Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama

Harold Landry, EDGE, Boston College

Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State

Ward has been to the Bills lately. Don't agree with this at 12 over a MLB or QB but that would depend on who is left. I personally think Bills should go defense with both 12 and 22. 

On 3/15/2018 at 1:32 PM, PIZ said:

 

The more I read about these "top" QB prospects, the more I don't like them.  Mayfield reminds me of an annoying little kid that my wife used to babysit, so he is now off my board.  I'm starting to lean towards Roquon Smith at 12 and Lamar Jackson at 22.

If Baker is at 12, I would take the chance then go MLB at 22 with Evans or Esch

[billspro]

On 3/12/2018 at 5:27 PM, USABuffaloFan said:

I am not of the feeling Bills need to trade up any farther. At 12 they can get several really good players. Drafts never go as expected and Free Agency has allot to offer in QB's. Bills will definetly get a QB in Free Agency who will play next year and maybe one more year. I think Bills will sit at 12 and expect a QB falls to them and my bet is they are counting on Allen and will also take Jackson. They want worldly athletic talent and a project with huge upside. Both these guys fit that and won't have to start. If this falls though they will get a DT or DE whoever grades out better.

 

Allen and Jackson are the two prospect that the Bills have been in the least contact with through the predraft process. I actually think they would take Rudolph over both of those guys.

[USABuffaloFan]

On 3/16/2018 at 12:58 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Because winning this year is both unlikely and a lot less important than growing and putting themselves in position for consistent long term success.

 

I think he cares less about winning this year than doing that.

 

Why make those great trades for picks and give half away? Because it's the best move for the team. Because without a franchise QB you're simply not likely to be seriously competitive for a Super Bowl even occasionally, much less regularly.

 

Bottom line? Why make those great trades and give half away?

 

Because it's the best move.

First you learned nothing last year how these boys run. McDermott changed QB's because he thought they could win more, changed back when he was wrong rather then develop him. They were 9-7 and went to the playoffs and you think regressing is what Bills want to do?

I am not going to argue the value of a "Franchise QB" but how you land one I will. Unless you can get Giants pick 2 then your not possibly getting "your" man for sure. If your man is picked by Cleveland then you're screwed. No way your willing to give up 4-5 picks for either 1 of 2 QB's. 

I am of a better view that multiple good choices at QB with talent to develop is the better way to go. Bills have their starter next year in VET, McCarron. I would rather have Bills get a combination of 2 QB's from; Lauletta, Falk, Rudolph, White, Litton, McGough. We have 9 picks and 6 in top 96. I would grab a QB in 2nd and 3rd round. My choice is Falk and Lauletta. Might even bring in McGough in 4-5 round. Might as well get a real up and front look at QB then weed out the losers quick or put them on your practice squad if you like a couple. 

On 3/16/2018 at 1:18 AM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm lost, so you combine the fact we signed AJ and that some teams signed QB's ahead of us in the draft, that they might not draft a QB anymore... 

 

Then we'll sit there and let the draft fall to us, then, we throw the ultimate curveball and with QB's sitting there at 12 we go DT or LB?

 

That's the 2004 draft, no thanks... You go and get the QB, if the QB isn't more valuable than the other positional player you're going to draft, no thanks to that QB. 

If Baker or Allen falls to 12 and that is your guy you take him, you could argue they are "High Value Franchise" types. You don't take Rudolph or Jackson there. Trade up from 22 if you really want one and looks like they will be gone. You have Smith and Edwards plus some good DT there at 12 you get them. 

On 3/16/2018 at 1:29 AM, Lfod said:

I just have this strange feeling that the Bills didn't trade up to #12 to pick at #12. Like they intend to move up as far as they can in the draft to select a QB. I know it sounds dumb but I think the Bills are not done moving up yet. 

Too many needs with limited money. Unless someone really wants Lawson and considers him a late 1st to 2nd value I don't see Bills doing this with QB's available like Rudolph, Falk, Lauletta, Litton, McGough and White. Any of these guys could be Brees, Brady, Wilson, Favre. The talent is there and Lauletta might be one of the smartest football wise in the past 20-30 years.

[USABuffaloFan]

10 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Allen and Jackson are the two prospect that the Bills have been in the least contact with through the predraft process. I actually think they would take Rudolph over both of those guys.

That could be deflection. If you bring in the guy you like 2-3 times sitting at 12 and Miami likes them then you signaling to another team they need to trade up. QB is a position another team could do stupid things to get there guy.

[billspro]

7 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

That could be deflection. If you bring in the guy you like 2-3 times sitting at 12 and Miami likes them then you signaling to another team they need to trade up. QB is a position another team could do stupid things to get there guy.

 

I doubt it, Beane put a pretty big emphasis on meeting the QBs. 

 

They have met with Rudolph, Mayfield, and Rosen the most. I would be shocked if we don't end up with one of those three. 

[CEN-CAL17]

Plain and simple, Lamar Jackson isn’t good enough to make an NFL offense his against NFL defenses! 

 

He will be a Vick type player, flashes here and there. A couple decent seasons but that’s it...

If McDermott holds true...

 

Drop back QBs, then it’s Rosen, Allen in round 1. They were both in the 30% under center guys. 

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Plain and simple, Lamar Jackson isn’t good enough to make an NFL offense his against NFL defenses! 

 

He will be a Vick type player, flashes here and there. A couple decent seasons but that’s it...

You have absolutely no way of knowing this.....or even knowing if these other qbs will be any different

[USABuffaloFan]

10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You have absolutely no way of knowing this.....or even knowing if these other qbs will be any different

McNab had all the skills and CAM is a generational type QB. You don't hear anyone saying Jackson is one of those guys. Allen is much more like those two. Jackson is a tall Mike Vick. He might make it but odds are greater he won't. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

McNab had all the skills and CAM is a generational type QB. You don't hear anyone saying Jackson is one of those guys. Allen is much more like those two. Jackson is a tall Mike Vick. He might make it but odds are greater he won't. 

And yet guys that were not even picked in the 1st round are starting QBs

 

I dont care what "anyone" says.....I care what they do when they get to the NFL.

 

And if for some reason Jackson was actually drafted by the bills we should PRAY that we get a taller Mike Vick.......who basically carried teams with hardly any offensive talent after being a number 1 overall pick.

 

I think he is def option B.......but this is a strong QB draft and Jackson is a part of it

[USABuffaloFan]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And yet guys that were not even picked in the 1st round are starting QBs

 

I dont care what "anyone" says.....I care what they do when they get to the NFL.

 

And if for some reason Jackson was actually drafted by the bills we should PRAY that we get a taller Mike Vick.......who basically carried teams with hardly any offensive talent after being a number 1 overall pick.

 

I think he is def option B.......but this is a strong QB draft and Jackson is a part of it

Well obviously what they do in the NFL is what matters but without a crystal ball we don't know this. The Bills have the analytics and know what there offense might look like next year. We can kind of look at McCarron as the type of QB they are looking for. Obviously they are not going spread or Option with McCarron. Looks like they are a standard under center 3-5 step back maybe West Coast offense. Until we see our receivers it will be hard to envision anything else. One thing I am sure is we don't want a running QB, just did that. 

[John from Riverside]

9 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

Well obviously what they do in the NFL is what matters but without a crystal ball we don't know this. The Bills have the analytics and know what there offense might look like next year. We can kind of look at McCarron as the type of QB they are looking for. Obviously they are not going spread or Option with McCarron. Looks like they are a standard under center 3-5 step back maybe West Coast offense. Until we see our receivers it will be hard to envision anything else. One thing I am sure is we don't want a running QB, just did that. 

Being a running qb is not why TT is not here anymore...he is not here because he wouldnt pull the trigger on throwing the ball and was rendered inneffective if kept in the pocket

 

Since only the lazy people look at Lamar Jackson and see those traits in him just because he has escapability......and I dont consider our bills scouting staff to be lazy I think he might still be in play....I just think he is not the number 1 option....I think they value accuracy first.

[USABuffaloFan]

59 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Being a running qb is not why TT is not here anymore...he is not here because he wouldnt pull the trigger on throwing the ball and was rendered inneffective if kept in the pocket

 

Since only the lazy people look at Lamar Jackson and see those traits in him just because he has escapability......and I dont consider our bills scouting staff to be lazy I think he might still be in play....I just think he is not the number 1 option....I think they value accuracy first.

He ran for 1000 yards, that is who he is.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

He ran for 1000 yards, that is who he is.

Like I said.....stop with the lazy stat watching and dig deeper

 

A lot of his runs were on designed runs......not from scrambling out of clean pockets...if anything he hangs in the pocket too long....its on tape...go look at it

I care about passing TDs....which Lamar (especially compared to TT) is extremely productive at

 

They are NOT the same player

[Dr. Who]

46 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Like I said.....stop with the lazy stat watching and dig deeper

 

A lot of his runs were on designed runs......not from scrambling out of clean pockets...if anything he hangs in the pocket too long....its on tape...go look at it

I care about passing TDs....which Lamar (especially compared to TT) is extremely productive at

 

They are NOT the same player

Jackson is not ultra-cautious with game manager as a ceiling, so as you say, not TT 2.0.  

[USABuffaloFan]

49 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Like I said.....stop with the lazy stat watching and dig deeper

 

A lot of his runs were on designed runs......not from scrambling out of clean pockets...if anything he hangs in the pocket too long....its on tape...go look at it

I care about passing TDs....which Lamar (especially compared to TT) is extremely productive at

 

They are NOT the same player

Yes very true, they are not. Tyrod is accurate, doesn't throw INT's, has a winning record in the NFL and yet he isn't good enough. You keep telling me I need to watch tape, I seen enough checking him out online. He doesn't know how to sit under Center, drop back and throw. All QB's that are consistent winners in the NFL can do this. You can't say Lamar can do this so he is at best a huge project. Losman hit 2 80+ yard passes in a Houston game coming from behind. You tell me why Lamar is worth being in Buffalo at 12 and 22, I do not see it.