Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc said: The problem with trading him before June 1st is they can't save money on the cap. And given that, his age, salary, and coming off injury, I'm not sure how high his trade value is anyway. Cap hit for this year or multiple years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Cap hit for this year or multiple years? If they release him with a post-June 1st designation, they save $4.6M but have a $3.15M cap hit for next year. If they don't, they save just $1.4M but have no cap hit next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doc said: If they release him with a post-June 1st designation, they save $4.6M but have a $3.15M cap hit for next year. If they don't, they save just $1.4M but have no cap hit next year. That sucks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, Doc said: If they release him with a post-June 1st designation, they save $4.6M but have a $3.15M cap hit for next year. If they don't, they save just $1.4M but have no cap hit next year. The crazy thing about the Eagles is their 2019 Cap is very bad too. In 2019 they have 39 players under contract and are $9 million in the hole already! The next closest team is Jacksonville with 41 under contract and sit at PLUS $28 million. Philly definitely has a lot of cap work to do this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: The crazy thing about the Eagles is their 2019 Cap is very bad too. In 2019 they have 39 players under contract and are $9 million in the hole already! The next closest team is Jacksonville with 41 under contract and sit at PLUS $28 million. Philly definitely has a lot of cap work to do this year. That's why trading Foles sooner rather than later makes more sense. They'd save $4.6M by doing it before 3/18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: That's why trading Foles sooner rather than later makes more sense. They'd save $4.6M by doing it before 3/18. I agree. I got to think the Eagles want to keep Foles but because of their unique cap issues they would be crazy not to listen to offers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doc said: That's why trading Foles sooner rather than later makes more sense. They'd save $4.6M by doing it before 3/18. Just now, ColoradoBills said: I agree. I got to think the Eagles want to keep Foles but because of their unique cap issues they would be crazy not to listen to offers! It would be a straightforward decision were it not for the question of the readiness of Wentz for the 2018 season. It's not a simple matter of cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 In his whole career, Foles has never had even close to his trade value right now, why the hell would we want to buy so high? In all likelihood, Nick Foles is a good backup, who played big in big games, much as Frank Reich was back in the day. We need a franchise QB, to get that you don't go get a castoff, you draft and develop one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It would be a straightforward decision were it not for the question of the readiness of Wentz for the 2018 season. It's not a simple matter of cap room. Like I said, I think they want to keep Foles very badly......................but then again, teams do stupid things to get a QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It would be a straightforward decision were it not for the question of the readiness of Wentz for the 2018 season. It's not a simple matter of cap room. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Like I said, I think they want to keep Foles very badly......................but then again, teams do stupid things to get a QB! It would be prudent to wait until the preseason to gauge the heatlh and readiness of Wentz before dealing Foles. They could still do well just as they did when dealing Bradford for a #1 pick to MIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, greeneblitz said: In his whole career, Foles has never had even close to his trade value right now, why the hell would we want to buy so high? In all likelihood, Nick Foles is a good backup, who played big in big games, much as Frank Reich was back in the day. We need a franchise QB, to get that you don't go get a castoff, you draft and develop one. The Bills traded down last year just for a chance to do something like this. And as I said before, at 21 or 22, you're taking a chance on a lower-rated rookie QB versus a guy who won a SB thanks largely based on his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Obviously. Must not be so obvious with your post stating they should move him sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Must not be so obvious with your post stating they should move him sooner rather than later. No, what's obvious is that Wentz' injury timetable complicates the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: No, what's obvious is that Wentz' injury timetable complicates the issue. Which means they should wait to assess the situation with him rather than moving Foles sooner. Edited February 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Which means they should wait to assess the situation with him rather than moving Foles sooner. They otherwise would, if it weren't for their cap issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I don't think we have the WR's or the pass pro to allow Foles to put up big numbers. If im the Eagles I take my chances with Wentz and get the 2nd rd pick for Foles. Their are some solid late rd QB's in this draft that would save them a lot of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 15 hours ago, greeneblitz said: In his whole career, Foles has never had even close to his trade value right now, why the hell would we want to buy so high? In all likelihood, Nick Foles is a good backup, who played big in big games, much as Frank Reich was back in the day. We need a franchise QB, to get that you don't go get a castoff, you draft and develop one. The guy won owned this year's playoffs (including a superbowl) with his arm, smarts and poise. I agree the two bad seasons after his breakout year are cause for concern - but it is probable the guy has actually turned a corner in ability and confidence. And at 5.5 mill a year you cant go wrong given our QB needs. Even if we draft a QB and Foles is keeping the seat warm, he will be a decent transition QB. At this stage, I dont think he is any worse than Flacco post-SB win and he is available at a fraction of Flacco's cost. Oh and if y'all want another reason to pursue Foles: http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31086/best-bet-remains-for-bills-to-draft-quarterback-not-pursue-nick-foles MIke Rodent says "Dont" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: The guy won owned this year's playoffs (including a superbowl) with his arm, smarts and poise. I agree the two bad seasons after his breakout year are cause for concern - but it is probable the guy has actually turned a corner in ability and confidence. And at 5.5 mill a year you cant go wrong given our QB needs. Even if we draft a QB and Foles is keeping the seat warm, he will be a decent transition QB. At this stage, I dont think he is any worse than Flacco post-SB win and he is available at a fraction of Flacco's cost. Oh and if y'all want another reason to pursue Foles: http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31086/best-bet-remains-for-bills-to-draft-quarterback-not-pursue-nick-foles MIke Rodent says "Dont" Rodent’s a moron. And if the Bills, or any team for that matter, trades for Foles, he won’t be making just $5.5 million a year anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The report is he tore both an ACL and an LCL and is taking longer to heal because of that. Bradford serves as "Exhibit A" of what happens when a guy with an ACL tries to come back too soon: more haste, less speed. I think you want to flip it about. Alex Smith set the price for an old guy (33) coming off a career season who has not been able to take his team past the Div round in 4 tries. Nick Foles is gonna set the price for a 5 year younger guy with a great year as starter in his past, who just ripped off two fantastic games to take his team to the World Championship. I don't think that latter gets you a discount. LCLs aren't a big deal. They usually don't even require surgery if torn ontheir own. I feel confident that Wentz will be playing in game one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts