Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, T_Thomas said: Maybe, but that was clearly defensive pass interference. Watch it and tell me it wasn't. And Gronk got called for a phantom offensive pass interference on NE's first drive to start the second 1/2. Pretty sure Gronk was pushing off on that play, and Tre had some jersey after that, probably to counter the push off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: OK...show me an actual fist fight that accomplished anything by either of those teams other than getting personal fouls and/or player ejections. Why does it have to be a fist fight? Standing up for your teammates builds toughness and culture. The Pats and Seahawks have two of the strongest cultures in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Thomas Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Pretty sure Gronk was pushing off on that play, and Tre had some jersey after that, probably to counter the push off. I watched it 3 times. No push off whatsoever on that play. If he didn't flip out I think its a PI call against us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Why does it have to be a fist fight? Standing up for your teammates builds toughness and culture. The Pats and Seahawks have two of the strongest cultures in the NFL. Can you give an example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, T_Thomas said: I watched it 3 times. No push off whatsoever on that play. If he didn't flip out I think its a PI call against us Hmm...I saw differently, but only watched one replay of it, a close up view that seemed to show Gronks arms shoving White sideways (but with no "success"), and then you start to see the jersey grabs by White. Maybe you're right, and it certainly could have been called Def PI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Thomas Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I don't care...I've watched 10 games against the Bills where he gets away with shoving defenders back 2 or 3 yards or to the ground and then turning around and being wide open for passes. Nobody is crying about those are they? Maybe, but it goes both ways. He gets called for mild push offs that all receivers in the NFL typically get away with. The phantom offensive PI against Johnson is a classic example. Watch it. He was held on the play at the end and he snapped. He was wrong. But all in all I think he had over 140 yards today so just another day at the office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Like what? Who does that? OK other than Mike Evans Who does what? Stick up for their teammates? Many teams do. 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Exactly, so I'm not sure why anyone here is upset or shocked or disappointed that no one did anything. These guys are all pals going to work. True. I routinely concuss my co-workers. And incurring a(nother) 15 yard penalty at that point in the game? LOL! 16 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Disagree. Teams like the Pats and Seahawks would not abide that behavior. 4 minutes ago, T_Thomas said: I watched it 3 times. No push off whatsoever on that play. If he didn't flip out I think its a PI call against us Gronk clearly pushes off. It was more blatant than anything White did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Doc said: Who does what? Stick up for their teammates? Many teams do. True. I routinely concuss my co-workers. And incurring a(nother) 15 yard penalty at that point in the game? LOL! Gronk clearly pushes off. It was more blatant than anything White did. Stick for them how, after a cheap shot like that? tell us how many teams react to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Stick for them how, after a cheap shot like that? tell us how many teams react to that. Did you see the Dols-Ravens game by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Doc said: Did you see the Dols-Ravens game by chance? No. I just recall seeing these exact same threads after Landry laid out Williams last year. People seem disappointed no one "retaliated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 55 minutes ago, matter2003 said: As WGR explained it he thanked him because he felt it would have caused some unneccessary stuff... Well, McD is nothing if not grateful. Should have thanked BB for not running up the score too........that might've really made things contentious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Stick for them how, after a cheap shot like that? tell us how many teams react to that. Pretty much all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Mr. WEO said: No. I just recall seeing these exact same threads after Landry laid out Williams last year. People seem disappointed no one "retaliated". Well if you saw that game, or even read articles about it, you'd see a team coming to the defense of one of their players who they felt was cheap-shotted. Hell even people not on sports teams come to the defense of their friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Pretty much all of them. So pretty much all of the other teams have a guy retaliate with a cheap shot on the offender? In what league? 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Well if you saw that game, or even read articles about it, you'd see a team coming to the defense of one of their players who they felt was cheap-shotted. Hell even people not on sports teams come to the defense of their friends. You mean like...gettin all up in the guys face and whatnot? Oh you mean the guy who pushed him. Well there you go, everyone does it then. Edited December 4, 2017 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: You mean like...gettin all up in the guys face and whatnot? Hey, there's this thing called "Google." Type in "NFL reliation fights" and viola! You'll see all the stuff you've apparently missed over the decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Hey, there's this thing called "Google." Type in "NFL reliation fights" and viola! You'll see all the stuff you've apparently missed over the decades. Thanks, just did (did you really?). Here's what comes up first: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/nov/30/nfl-fights-brawls-michael-crabtree-aqib-talib scrolling down several links there's this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/853765-the-6-most-insane-on-field-fights-in-nfl-history which has to go back a few decades to dig up 5 decent fights. Most of the articles describe why there just aren't many retaliation brawls in the NFL (fewer than MLB!). Thanks for the suggestion though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 All we can do is try and fight them and get ejections, there is no way that we are going to win game to piss them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Thanks, just did (did you really?). Here's what comes up first: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/nov/30/nfl-fights-brawls-michael-crabtree-aqib-talib scrolling down several links there's this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/853765-the-6-most-insane-on-field-fights-in-nfl-history which has to go back a few decades to dig up 5 decent fights. Most of the articles describe why there just aren't many retaliation brawls in the NFL (fewer than MLB!). Thanks for the suggestion though! Oh, "decent fights." You kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Doc said: Oh, "decent fights." You kill me. come on! where are all the fights you said were in the google search? It rarely happen. Admit the obvious. It just doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: come on! where are all the fights you said were in the google search? It rarely happen. Admit the obvious. It just doesn't. The first article you cited gave a half dozen examples from this year alone. And didn't even mention the Dols-Ravens game which you obviously missed. But yes, they weren't "insane." Edited December 4, 2017 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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