fridge Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:03 PM, BigBuff423 said: On what planet is Tyrod averaging 224 yards a game????....he's averaging 184 THIS year! He only has 2 other years and NEITHER of them were more than 216 yards a game. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/tyrod-taylor-player-stats Expand They like to add in his rushing stats with his passing so it makes his yards total less ridiculous. Before anyone chimes in... I understand the value in his rushing ability, and it's easily his best strength - not to be overlooked. I also don't see people coupling Brady's passing and rushing stats.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 9:06 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: For the 'we want better than a .500 QB' crew, Eli is 110-100 in his career (0.524), Tyrod's 21-18 (0.538). And it could be easily argued that Eli has benefitted from better defenses over that span than Tyrod's had backing him up. Speaking career numbers: Eli: 59.8% Completions, 238.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.01 YPA, 229.8 Total Yards per Game, 4.6% TD%, 3.1% INT%, 83.8 Passer Rating, 5.93 ANY/A TT: 61.5% Completions, 202.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.19 YPA, 224.2 Total Yards per Game, 4.4% TD%, 1.3% INT%, 93.5 Passer Rating, 6.34 ANY/A Clearly Eli has 2 rings and is a Super Bowl MVP, but those numbers are awfully close considering one was drafted 1st overall and 1 was a 6th rounder. Expand Fake news. We have never finished over .500 since TT came here. The Giants have finished over .500 7 seasons since Eli. On 11/30/2017 at 10:07 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Not me (and I have said Eli is a HOF player). I just try to provide perspective. I’m not trying to be a jerk, just to provide perspective. Hokie and section122 have done a great job of it. There are people here that legitimately think Taylor is terrible but a blind resume next to Eli and he compares favorably. He is much, much closer to Eli and guys like that than he is EJ, Edwards and the other bums we’ve played. Obviously Eli has those 2 massive victories. Expand That's why nobody in the NFL who knows anything does "blind resumes." Because it's useless. No GM in the NFL cares if Tyrod has a minuscule difference in TD% compared to Eli.
BigBuff423 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:00 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I brought facts. He completes a higher percentage of balls. He throws TDs at a higher rate, INTs at a lower rate. He averages more yards per attempt and per completion. Which “passing” metrics are you using to support that? Or is it “eye test” and “your perception?” I am just giving you facts. Expand Eli passed for over 4,000 yards and 26 TDs last year.... Tyrod, over 3,000 and 17 TDs... That's 1,000 yards of Offense and 9 TDs different Tyrod took 42 sacks Eli took 21 sacks That's HALF the amount of sacks....think of the yardage, think of the downs Tyrod took those sacks and how it impacted the game Eli's average yds per game: 251 Tyrod's average yds per game: 201 ---- that's half a football field of difference, ON AVERAGE. So, on average, Tyrod have the other team half the distance to the goal line.... If you like Tyrod's running ability, so be it...if you like the dimension it brings to the Offense, fine....but to argue that he and Eli Manning are even in the same general area regarding QB ability, is asinine to me...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:08 PM, fridge said: They like to add in his rushing stats with his passing so it makes his yards total less ridiculous. Before anyone chimes in... I understand the value in his rushing ability, and it's easily his best strength - not to be overlooked. I also don't see people coupling Brady's passing and rushing stats. Expand That last part isn’t true. Everyone looks at the whole picture. That’s why Russell Wilson scores high. That’s why advanced metrics are now the norm and passing yards are for simpletons. The more data incorporated the more accurate the true picture is. That’s why QBR is better than QB rating. It factors in rushing yards (I think) and game situations. A throw in a 2 point game in the 4th is weighted heavier than a 1st quarter throw in a 3 score game. On 11/30/2017 at 10:09 PM, jmc12290 said: Fake news. We have never finished over .500 since TT came here. The Giants have finished over .500 7 seasons since Eli. That's why nobody in the NFL who knows anything does "blind resumes." Because it's useless. No GM in the NFL cares if Tyrod has a minuscule difference in TD% compared to Eli. Expand So you are holding EJ’s 3 starts and Peterman’s one against Tyrod?!? Really????!?!?
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:11 PM, Kirby Jackson said: That last part isn’t true. Everyone looks at the whole picture. That’s why Russell Wilson scores high. That’s why advanced metrics are now the norm and passing yards are for simpletons. The more data incorporated the more accurate the true picture is. That’s why QBR is better than QB rating. It factors in rushing yards (I think) and game situations. A throw in a 2 point game in the 4th is weighted heavier than a 1st quarter throw in a 3 score game. So you are holding EJ’s 3 starts and Peterman’s one against Tyrod?!? Really????!?!? Expand Eli never got hurt or played so poorly he got benched for a fifth round rookie. So, yes.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:03 PM, BigBuff423 said: On what planet is Tyrod averaging 224 yards a game????....he's averaging 184 THIS year! He only has 2 other years and NEITHER of them were more than 216 yards a game. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/tyrod-taylor-player-stats Expand For his career he's at 202.1 Passing and 224.2 Total yards per game. I assumed you could figure that out by the words immediately following the numbers, but clearly I was mistaken. On 11/30/2017 at 10:09 PM, jmc12290 said: Fake news. We have never finished over .500 since TT came here. The Giants have finished over .500 7 seasons since Eli. Expand 100% true news. Fake news would be attributing the 4 losses we've sustained without Tyrod to Tyrod's win%. On 11/30/2017 at 10:08 PM, fridge said: They like to add in his rushing stats with his passing so it makes his yards total less ridiculous. Before anyone chimes in... I understand the value in his rushing ability, and it's easily his best strength - not to be overlooked. I also don't see people coupling Brady's passing and rushing stats. Expand I most certainly do, and have since I started tracking stats. Feel free to check my QB Rating threads from this year. Every QB's passing and rushing stats are accounted for. If you're curious, Brady's at 263.5 Pass Yards per Game and 265.8 Total Yards per Game over his career.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:10 PM, BigBuff423 said: Eli passed for over 4,000 yards and 26 TDs last year.... Tyrod, over 3,000 and 17 TDs... That's 1,000 yards of Offense and 9 TDs different Tyrod took 42 sacks Eli took 21 sacks That's HALF the amount of sacks....think of the yardage, think of the downs Tyrod took those sacks and how it impacted the game Eli's average yds per game: 251 Tyrod's average yds per game: 201 ---- that's half a football field of difference, ON AVERAGE. So, on average, Tyrod have the other team half the distance to the goal line.... If you like Tyrod's running ability, so be it...if you like the dimension it brings to the Offense, fine....but to argue that he and Eli Manning are even in the same general area regarding QB ability, is asinine to me... Expand Yet Tyrod averaged more yards when he attempted a pass and when he completed a pass. If you throw it 6 times and I throw it twice you should have more yards. That’s why not a person in sports cares about gross stats or even uses them. They are a function of opportunity. Efficiency is infinitely more important and every single executive will agree with that.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:15 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: For his career he's at 202.1 Passing and 224.2 Total yards per game. I assumed you could figure that out by the words immediately following the numbers, but clearly I was mistaken. 100% true news. Fake news would be attributing the 4 losses we've sustained without Tyrod to Tyrod's win%. I most certainly do, and have since I started tracking stats. Feel free to check my QB Rating threads from this year. Every QB's passing and rushing stats are accounted for. If you're curious, Brady's at 263.5 Pass Yards per Game and 265.8 Total Yards per Game over his career. Expand No lie, look it up. We haven't finished greater than .500 in a season since Doug Marrone.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:15 PM, jmc12290 said: Eli never got hurt or played so poorly he got benched for a fifth round rookie. So, yes. Expand Tyrod missed 2 games due to injury. If you think starting Peterman was a good idea then you’ve said all that you need to say on the QB topic. Quit while you’re behind 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:16 PM, jmc12290 said: No lie, look it up. We haven't finished greater than .500 in a season since Doug Marrone. Expand And yet we are 21-18 when Tyrod plays QB for us.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:17 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Tyrod missed 2 games due to injury. If you think starting Peterman was a good idea then you’ve said all that you need to say on the QB topic. Quit while you’re behind Expand Did Eli give his coach temporary insanity and get himself benched for a horrible QB? Nope!
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:16 PM, jmc12290 said: No lie, look it up. We haven't finished greater than .500 in a season since Doug Marrone. Expand And Tyrod has won 21 games and lost 18. The other Bills QBs have won 0 and lost 4. If anything that’s a big plus for Taylor. Arguing otherwise is like arguing that ice isn’t cold.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:18 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: And yet we are 21-18 when Tyrod plays QB for us. Expand Fella, we could be 16-0 when Tyrod plays for us, but if that mean we have 16 years of going less than 8-8, I don't particularly care.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:18 PM, jmc12290 said: Did Eli give his coach temporary insanity and get himself benched for a horrible QB? Nope! Expand Ha ha, how does the coach look for that decision? I asked if you agreed with it at the time? Don’t lie because we can dig it up.
BigBuff423 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:15 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: For his career he's at 202.1 Passing and 224.2 Total yards per game. I assumed you could figure that out by the words immediately following the numbers, but clearly I was mistaken. 100% true news. Fake news would be attributing the 4 losses we've sustained without Tyrod to Tyrod's win%. I most certainly do, and have since I started tracking stats. Feel free to check my QB Rating threads from this year. Every QB's passing and rushing stats are accounted for. If you're curious, Brady's at 263.5 Pass Yards per Game and 265.8 Total Yards per Game over his career. Expand You assumed wrong when you speak of QBs....do we take into account WRs passing yards when we say total yards per game? I doubt the average fan does....and you can "blame" me for not knowing your intentions but, I think the error is clear. It does not change that Tyrod is not, nor will he ever be, close to Eli's capability...even in Eli's current state.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:19 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Ha ha, how does the coach look for that decision? I asked if you agreed with it at the time? Don’t lie because we can dig it up. Expand Of course I did. I still do.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:20 PM, BigBuff423 said: You assumed wrong when you speak of QBs....do we take into account WRs passing yards when we say total yards per game? I doubt the average fan does....and you can "blame" me for not knowing your intentions but, I think the error is clear. It does not change that Tyrod is not, nor will he ever be, close to Eli's capability...even in Eli's current state. Expand Good thing we are more intelligent than average fans. Including data doesn’t make an argument less accurate!! That’s why surveys get large sample sizes. The more information that is included the truer the results.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:18 PM, Kirby Jackson said: And Tyrod has won 21 games and lost 18. The other Bills QBs have won 0 and lost 4. If anything that’s a big plus for Taylor. Arguing otherwise is like arguing that ice isn’t cold. Expand ....yet the drought continues with a barbed wire fence around the "Promised Land"......hmmmm........
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:20 PM, BigBuff423 said: You assumed wrong when you speak of QBs....do we take into account WRs passing yards when we say total yards per game? I doubt the average fan does....and you can "blame" me for not knowing your intentions but, I think the error is clear. It does not change that Tyrod is not, nor will he ever be, close to Eli's capability...even in Eli's current state. Expand I didn't provide WR stats. What other yards did you expect a QB to get that are positive? Total is exactly that. Passing + Rushing + Receiving - Sack. If I excluded something it wouldn't be total.
fridge Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 10:16 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Yet Tyrod averaged more yards when he attempted a pass and when he completed a pass. If you throw it 6 times and I throw it twice you should have more yards. That’s why not a person in sports cares about gross stats or even uses them. They are a function of opportunity. Efficiency is infinitely more important and every single executive will agree with that. Expand What in the world does that even mean here?? I'm not trying to operate a business efficiently, I'm a sports fan that wants to see his team look like a modern NFL offense for a change. This is a passing league. We need to score to win. We need gross points. Gross touchdowns. How dumb do you think we are that we don't understand the concept of weighted averages??? People bring up passing yards because Tyrod's famous TD to INT ratio doesn't win you games in the same fashion that Brady's yards and TD's do. BTW - when people cite the passing yards... we're not doing it because we're too dumb to understand "advanced stats". We're doing it because you can just about throw all those advanced stats out the window if your QB isn't a passing threat.
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