SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Coming from a guy who complained even after wins when Manuel was QB.He did? 😈😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Quick quiz question. The four teams Tranplant mentions in his original post as being such terrific defenses ... how many of them are in the top ten of defensive passer rating this year? Any guesses? Uno. Cincy at #6. #6 Cincy 73.3 #14 Atlanta 86.6 #16 Denver 89.5 #26 Carolina 100.0 These aren't four terrific pass defenses. The Panthers have allowed 10 TDs and 1 INT. Together, all four teams have allowed a total of 31 TDs and 11 INTs. Wait so now defenses are ranked by passer rating? Passing Yards CIN 2nd DEN 6th CAR 7th ATL12th Jets 15th Points CIN 2nd DEN 8th CAR 9th ATL 13th Jets 12th Yeah these are five good to very good defenses. The Panthers faced Brees, Brady, Stafford, Wentz in consecutive weeks. That probably has a lot to do with giving up 10 TDs. 2 Elite QBs, a franchise QB that was just given the biggest contract in the NFL, and a second year QB that is playing pretty well this season. That leaves 3 teams giving up 21 TDs which averages to 7 per team so 1.4 TDs per game. Horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 why bring him back when he has already lost the job. I am the one in the cult, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Many don't want Tyrod back because that money can be used on other positions/better QB and why bring him back when he has already lost the job. To have him around would have the few pushing for him to return, IMO this needs to be his last season, time to move on to better things. Well for one he hasn't lost the job yet. For two, if he did lose the job I would rather have a trustworthy backup then some guy that may be horrible and lose us football games in case of injury. "To have him around would have the few pushing for him to return" What few are you referring to? Are you referring to a few fans? If so, how exactly does a few fans pushing for him to return, which may not even happen, effect the Bills team? Edited October 22, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Remember how he 'kept us in' that Carolina game? If not for him, we may have only gotten 1 1/2 points. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Wait so now defenses are ranked by passer rating? Passing Yards CIN 2nd DEN 6th CAR 7th ATL12th Jets 15th Points CIN 2nd DEN 8th CAR 9th ATL 13th Jets 12th Yeah these are five good to very good defenses. The Panthers faced Brees, Brady, Stafford, Wentz in consecutive weeks. That probably has a lot to do with giving up 10 TDs. 2 Elite QBs, a franchise QB that was just given the biggest contract in the NFL, and a second year QB that is playing pretty well this season. That leaves 3 teams giving up 21 TDs which averages to 7 per team so 1.4 TDs per game. Horrible. You know that stuff is not taken into consideration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Quick quiz question. The four teams Tranplant mentions in his original post as being such terrific defenses ... how many of them are in the top ten of defensive passer rating this year? Any guesses? Uno. Cincy at #6. #6 Cincy 73.3 #14 Atlanta 86.6 #16 Denver 89.5 #26 Carolina 100.0 These aren't four terrific pass defenses. The Panthers have allowed 10 TDs and 1 INT. Together, all four teams have allowed a total of 31 TDs and 11 INTs. Ha ha, thread ended. Thanks for playing! You know whats funny is Im guessing most of us on both sides have the exact same future plan for the Bills. Get better weapons on offense, bring back Tyrod and Peterman, draft a new QB somewhere in the first 2 rounds and get a competition going next year. The only disagreement is going to be which QB should we draft and how high should we draft him. Now watch, a couple people are going to chime in and say no way we should bring Tyrod back next year, hes just a RB playing QB, blah blah blah. Tell me which people are in this cult. I would perfectly okay with keeping Tyrod or dumping him this offseason. Can you tell us a little more about how Derek Carr was average and Cooper sucked on Thursday? Because that's why you're a cult member. Edited October 22, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 WasDerek Carr average because he was playing with an injured back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) The OP gave some real good evidence. Taylor is an above average QB. Let us fix the WR crew, OL and get the Running game going. WE are ranked #29 in the Run game. Detractors will continue to point that the Run game is bad because Taylor is bad. The only grudge I have against Taylor is that he is simply unable to bring the team a win on a 4th quarter comeback. They have all fallen short. However, Taylor is NOT our problem. He's part of our problem, no question. And it wasn't real good evidence. Centrifuged and spun within an inch of it's life, as usual ... Wanted to see those 11 games Transplant was talking about, and wondered why he was including Flacco (not that great), Dak (very young) and Deshaun Watson (extremely young), wondering if it was to adjust the numbers down a bit so Tyrod would be more competitive. Yup. Not to mention that Transplant left out Wentz, who had a great game. If you’re going to include Dak and Watson, you should include Wentz. Why was he left out? Oh, wait, leaving him out helped Transplant’s already weak argument. Here are the four teams referred to, their schedules, and the stats for each game: Cincy (played Baltimore, Houston, GB, Cleveland and Buffalo) Flacco 9/17, 121 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT 71.0 Deshaun Watson (in his 2nd pro game) 15/24, 125 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 75.9 Rodgers 28/42, 313 yards, 3 TDs, I INT 102.6 Tyrod 20/37, 166 yards 1 TD, 1 INT, 63.6 Denver (played Chargers, Dallas, Buffalo, Raiders and Giants) Rivers 22/33, 192 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT 99.6 Dak 30/50, 238 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 68.6 Tyrod 20/26, 213 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 126.0 Carr 10/18, 143 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs 100.0 before his injury Carolina (played SF, Buffalo, New Orleans, NE, Detroit and Philly) Tyrod 17/25, 125 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 79.6 Brees 22/29, 220 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 131.4 Brady 32/45, 307 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 104.6 Stafford 23/35, 229 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 141.8 Wentz (why’s he left out? Oh, cuz he would’ve hurt Transplant’s case) 16/30, 222 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 110.7 Atlanta (played Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit, Buffalo and Miami) Rodgers 33/50, 343 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 90.7 Stafford 25/45, 264 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INTs, 80.2 Tyrod 12/20, 182 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 106.7 Putting those 12 games - including Wentz's - in order, by passer rating … 1) Stafford 23/35, 229 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 141.8 2) Brees 22/29, 220 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 131.4 3) Wentz (why again is he left out? Oh, cuz he would’ve hurt Transplant’s case) 16/30, 222 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 110.7 4) Brady 32/45, 307 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 104.6 5) Rodgers 28/42, 313 yards, 3 TDs, I INT 102.6 6) Carr 10/18, 143 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs 100.0 before his injury 7) Rivers 22/33, 192 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT 99.6 8) Rodgers 33/50, 343 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 90.7 Tyrod’s total as computed by Transplant goes here, with a 90.5 9) Stafford 25/45, 264 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INTs, 80.2 10) Deshaun Watson (in his 2nd pro game) 15/24, 125 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 75.9 11) Flacco 9/17, 121 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT 71.0 12) Dak 30/50, 238 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 68.6 These pass defenses simply don't come out looking good from this analysis. Not that you'd have been told that by Transplant. That’s why he didn’t spell it out game by game as I’ve done here. Most of these games were very good, And the QBs who brought down the average were two guys in their first two years (Watson’s a rookie in his second game, actually) and Joe Flacco (who a lot of people might want to exchange for Tyrod but not many would consider any kind of a big step up). Stafford had one game at 80.2 but another at 141.8, so I don’t think you could count him as bringing the average down. Also cracks me up that Transplant’s trying to use total yards here as an average for these guys when one of the QBs got injured early in the game (Carr, leaving Manuel to throw 17 more passes). Of course Carr didn’t have a lot of total yards. Take out Carr’s partial game and Transplant’s group averaged 239.2 yards per game (which would be 12th in the NFL) against those four defenses while Tyrod averaged 172 (which would be 28th). Wanna argue against using total yards at all? Fair enough, but it wasn’t me who brought them up, it was Transplant, trying to compare Tyrod’s average to the group average, including Carr’s partial game. And this is all leaving out Wentz’s excellent game, and there’s a QB most of us would trade for Tyrod in a flat tenth of a second. Edited October 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Not you. They win today, instead of enjoying the win, you'll be on here complaining about the QB. When you can't enjoy a win when there are only 16 games each season, that speaks volumes. Kinda like how regardless of whether we win or lose youll be arguing with the same people about the same stuff or repeating the same things over and over again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Wait so now defenses are ranked by passer rating? Passing Yards CIN 2nd DEN 6th CAR 7th ATL12th Jets 15th Points CIN 2nd DEN 8th CAR 9th ATL 13th Jets 12th Yeah these are five good to very good defenses. The Panthers faced Brees, Brady, Stafford, Wentz in consecutive weeks. That probably has a lot to do with giving up 10 TDs. 2 Elite QBs, a franchise QB that was just given the biggest contract in the NFL, and a second year QB that is playing pretty well this season. That leaves 3 teams giving up 21 TDs which averages to 7 per team so 1.4 TDs per game. Horrible. No, defenses are not ranked by defensive passer rating. But yeah, PASSING DEFENSES are very reasonably indeed ranked by passer rating. But if you want to leave out Carolina, fine. The other three passing defenses allowed 21 TDs and 10 INTs. Edited October 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 No, defenses are not ranked by defensive passer rating. But yeah, PASSING DEFENSES are very reasonably indeed ranked by passer rating. But if you want to leave out Carolina, fine. The other three passing defenses allowed 21 TDs and Which averages to 1.4 TDs per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Which averages to 1.4 TDs per game. 21 TDs and 10 INTs. Which averages to ... ungood pass defense. Far from terrific as he and you are trying to paint them. Edited October 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 21 TDs and 10 INTs. Which averages to ... bad pass defense. Far from terrific as he and you are trying to paint them. 1.4 TDs per game is bad pass defense? That's less than 10 points per game. Less than 3 TDs every 2 games. Chop it up however you want. That's not a lot. Edited October 22, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 1.4 TDs per game is bad pass defense? That's less than 10 points per game. Less than 3 TDs every 2 games. Chop it up however you want. That's not a lot. Yes, a defensive TD/INT of more than two is indeed bad pass defense. Edited October 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Yes, a defensive TD/INT of more than two is indeed bad pass defense. Not really when you give up less than 2 TDs a game. Edited October 22, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Yes, a defensive TD/INT of more than two is indeed bad pass defense. Let me repeat. Try reading carefully. I'll help. Yes, a defensive TD/INT ratio of more than two is indeed bad pass defense. Not really when you give up less than 2 TDs a game. The reason people don't spend a lot of time on passing TDs per game as a stat is because it comes down to game situations, field position, time on the clock and a whole ton of other things. It only means much if it's extremely high or extremely low. On top of how many passes are thrown, a lot of it comes down to field position and whether teams close in like to run or not on short yardage. That's why people go to the ratio a lot, More indicative. INT percentage means a ton more than TD percentage. Teams don't care whether they score by pass or by run. Tyrod's TDs/game is just about 1.25. If 1.4 was low, how about that? But he doesn't get attacked for it, for good reason. His TD/INT percentage is quite good, and he does get credit for that. But again, those four teams have given up 31 TDs and 11 INTs. Which is really quite bad. Edited October 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Let me repeat. Try reading carefully. I'll help. Yes, a defensive TD/INT ratio of more than two is indeed bad pass defense. Let me repeat. Try reading carefully. I'll help. When your passing defense gives up less than 2 tds a game its not bad pass defense. In any case it just goes to show you can make stats say what you want them to. Argue all you want that Denver, Carolina, and Cinci have bad defenses but you would be wrong. Stop cherry picking stats and look at the whole picture. Edited October 22, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Manager Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Coming from a guy who complained even after wins when Manuel was QB. Edited October 22, 2017 by Game Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Kinda like how regardless of whether we win or lose youll be arguing with the same people about the same stuff or repeating the same things over and over again?Thats why I love the Ignore function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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