OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 10/11/2017 at 1:49 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: They are 0-5 after losing to the Chargers, OBJ is out for the season, their other WRs (Marshall and Sheppard) are hurt, they have no running game, and now this: @Giants Coach McAdoo: DRC came in today and decided to leave. We will suspend him. #NYGiants @JordanRaanan Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie had a convo with Ben McAdoo earlier this week. He came in today and decided to leave team. He's been suspended. ....sure is ugly but Reese continually skirts any blame.....hmmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, billieve420 said: You realize football is a team sport right. I have watched Eli his entire career. He was surrounded by good teams and when they won those super bowls a championship level defense and strong running game. I wouldn't put Eli in the same category as Brady, Peyton, etc.. Eli will end up in the hall with the stats he put up and the rings he won as he should be. If Eli played in Buffalo with the teams here he would not have had the same level of success he had with the Giants pure and simple. 50k yards is less impressive now than in previous generations as the game has changed. It is much easier for offenses to put up video game type numbers now than ever before. SMH. If it's so easy to hit 50k, how come he's one of seven QB to do it? Answer: it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) No worries, he can be in the next Dumb and Dumber movie that comes out... Edited November 13, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Everyone thought the Jets would be picking a QB #1 next spring. Now it looks like it might be the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, jr1 said: Davis Webb should be starting Sit Eli down? I'd be surprised. They should draft a QB in 18 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/5/2017 at 3:44 PM, joesixpack said: Doesnt matter. 50k + 2 rings is NOT an average career. Its not that simple though...you are way over simplifying it. On a year to year basis, Eli has been a highly inconsistent and mistake prone QB. The 2 SB rings also had an Elite pass rush that was a major part of those rings that in both cases held the single greatest Offensive season in NFL history to under 20 points and then again the 2nd one against same team and QB. There are a LOT of QB's that aren't great that have SB rings or make the SB in general. I mean even guys like Neil O'Donnel and Rex Grossman got there and guys like Dilfer are champs. Yes, his TOTALS are impressive...but again, TOTALS are literally the absolute worst barometer to measure anyone. Longevity and volume play HEAVY into it, leaving looking at totals is an incomplete way to evaluate a career. For instance, just 6 places all time behind Eli is Vinny Testaverde...literally the poster child for "average" yet has more passing yards (over 46k) than Jim Kelly, who isnt in the top 20. For almost the entire career of Eli, they have been a heavy pass based team with a poor running game. So yardage volume is going to come with that, doesn't make him a highly effective QB. Eli is no bum, but he is also grossly over rated by the 2 SB wins and his yardage total barometer you are using. I don't know I would call him "average" because you do still need to respect the 2 playoff runs that got them SB's where he made some incredible plays late in both those wins that got them the W. But I would fall short of saying he has been a "good" QB. I think if I had to label it, I would say he's been streaky but solid starter who you can win if he is on a talented team overall, but absolutely can not carry your team without that. I like to break QB rankings of tiers consisting of 4 QBs each. Over his career, Tier 1 has been dominated by the Rodgers, Brady, Brees, and Manning...where older (Warner) and newer (Wilson) guys have also spent some time in as well. I think if I had to do that based on his career, I would say he averages out to a tier 3 guy. There have been moments he's climbed into tier 2 (where guys like Big Ben and Matt Ryan have mostly have resided) and there have been times he has easily been a tier 4 guy. But overall, I would say between the SB wins and longevity, he has been a tier 3.5 QB over the course of his total career on average. Which to me is a solid career that is above average but also short of good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 i bet eli ends up on the jaguars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Its not that simple though...you are way over simplifying it. On a year to year basis, Eli has been a highly inconsistent and mistake prone QB. The 2 SB rings also had an Elite pass rush that was a major part of those rings that in both cases held the single greatest Offensive season in NFL history to under 20 points and then again the 2nd one against same team and QB. There are a LOT of QB's that aren't great that have SB rings or make the SB in general. I mean even guys like Neil O'Donnel and Rex Grossman got there and guys like Dilfer are champs. Yes, his TOTALS are impressive...but again, TOTALS are literally the absolute worst barometer to measure anyone. Longevity and volume play HEAVY into it, leaving looking at totals is an incomplete way to evaluate a career. For instance, just 6 places all time behind Eli is Vinny Testaverde...literally the poster child for "average" yet has more passing yards (over 46k) than Jim Kelly, who isnt in the top 20. For almost the entire career of Eli, they have been a heavy pass based team with a poor running game. So yardage volume is going to come with that, doesn't make him a highly effective QB. Eli is no bum, but he is also grossly over rated by the 2 SB wins and his yardage total barometer you are using. I don't know I would call him "average" because you do still need to respect the 2 playoff runs that got them SB's where he made some incredible plays late in both those wins that got them the W. But I would fall short of saying he has been a "good" QB. I think if I had to label it, I would say he's been streaky but solid starter who you can win if he is on a talented team overall, but absolutely can not carry your team without that. I like to break QB rankings of tiers consisting of 4 QBs each. Over his career, Tier 1 has been dominated by the Rodgers, Brady, Brees, and Manning...where older (Warner) and newer (Wilson) guys have also spent some time in as well. I think if I had to do that based on his career, I would say he averages out to a tier 3 guy. There have been moments he's climbed into tier 2 (where guys like Big Ben and Matt Ryan have mostly have resided) and there have been times he has easily been a tier 4 guy. But overall, I would say between the SB wins and longevity, he has been a tier 3.5 QB over the course of his total career on average. Which to me is a solid career that is above average but also short of good. Would you have taken Eli over ANY of the QBs we've had over the past 17 years? I'd take him over all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Would you have taken Eli over ANY of the QBs we've had over the past 17 years? I'd take him over all of them. There is literally zero value in your statement. For example...lets say Eli was a bag of old fruit and the Bills QB were bags of dog poo. If I said would you rather eat the old fruit or the bags of dog poo, I think we know what you would choose. So your statement literally provides NO context to the evaluation of HIS career. The barometer to measure a QB's career is not how they measure up against the Bills. Your comments I responded to were you mocking the grading of Eli being average over his career, not how does his career compare to Bills QB's the last 17 years. So I stand 100% by everything I wrote that you responded too in my evaluation of Eli as a QB in the NFL. To answer your completely unrelated question, I would take Eli over any QB we had over the last 17 years. However, I don't know I would take the Eli of the last 2 years over Tyrod, it would be close. Not saying TT is better than Eli, but over the last 2 years Eli has been atrocious with turnovers and cost the Giants big with it while still throwing to a great group of weapons. I actually think the Giants record would be slightly better with TT the last 2 years than Eli...not by much, but still better. The Eli of the last couple years has been a tier 4 QB IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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