Taylor loathing - A dissenting opinion

[JM2009]

I've done some research folks and there's some simple facts associated with our current quarterback. Divide all of the games he's started in half and rank them in order of passing yards. Now look at the win loss record of those games for the team (yes I said TEAM) for the games where he's been most productive versus the games he's been the least productive. His win % in his most productive games is 19%. His win % in his least productive games is is almost 4X that. Taking all the anecdotal stuff aside (defense wasn't good enough; Sammy Watkins; etc.), the simple fact is that he isn't a guy that can carry or lead a team and win. His record (if you even want to call it "his") is because of what his team mates do, not him. The opposite is true for any of the quarterbacks that we would consider great or even good quarterbacks. When their productivity is up, they're winning most of their games. When their productivity is down, that's when their team loses. It's not always 100% of the time, but it's telling.

 

The old saying is applicable here that "you can see a lot by looking". There probably isn't a better scrambler than Tyrod. However, when you force him to beat you in the air, he just can't do it. It has nothing to do with the guys that he has catching the football, his weapons, or his offensive line. That's just another excuse.

His numbers were good when he had Watkins and Woods on the field healthy. Much better than when they were not, so you're wrong here.

[Luxy312]

His numbers were good when he had Watkins and Woods on the field healthy. Much better than when they were not, so you're wrong here.

 

Nope. The better his numbers the team lost almost 4X the games when his numbers were mediocre to bad. You can look it up. You can't make this stuff up.

[JM2009]

 

Nope. The better his numbers the team lost almost 4X the games when his numbers were mediocre to bad. You can look it up. You can't make this stuff up.

Like the second Miami game last season? the offense in 2016 averaged 25 points against playoff teams, and the defense averaged 33 points given up to playoff teams.

Edited September 20, 2017 by JM2009

[kota]

he is bad move on.

[Noogie75]

Good points. I'm not sure many would have expected this. Not much reason for hope.

In parts I agree. Maybe the system has taken a bit of a toll on the running game. Now it is important to have a running game, that is correct. Now in the NFL game sometimes a team's running game may not work at times. However, the other option is to pass the ball to open up the run. Now if you can't even pass the ball with 9 in the box then you're in trouble. Just like you can rely on the run to set up the pass. As far as TT. Last year they would run early in the game and succeed. Then when better teams figured out how to stop the run game and make him be a qb, we usually lost the game. Because you have to make the defense be honest. Also 3 or 4 yards in the air to extend drives is needed to keep your defense off the field. Now TT was also a captain of three and outs. By no means I'm saying that Rex's de was the best. But I will say the played a lot of plays in which they were exhausted. Then when the team is behind with the game on the line the qb has to be sharp. TT continues not to do it when it matters. Even if the o line is not perfect because he is 3 million miles from perfect specially with the game on the line. So quit sharing the faults. He is just not good enough period....... Edited September 20, 2017 by Noogie75

[JM2009]

he is bad move on.

So is our entire offense.

In parts I agree. Maybe the system has taken a bit of a toll on the running game. Now it is important to have a running game, that is correct. Now in the NFL game sometimes a team's running game may not work at times. However, the other option is to pass the ball to open up the run. Now if you can't even pass the ball with 9 in the box then you're in trouble. Just like you can rely on the run to set up the pass. As far as TT. Last year they would run early in the game and succeed. Then when better teams figured out how to stop the run game and make him be a qb, we usually lost the game. Because you have make the defense be honest. Also 3 or 4 yards in the air to extend drives is needed to keep your defense off the field. Now TT was also a captain of three and outs. By no means I'm saying that Rex's de was the best. But I will say the played a lot of plays in which they were exhausted. Then when the team is behind with the game on the line the qb has to be sharp. TT continues not to do it when it matters. Even if the o line is not perfect because he is 3 million miles from perfect specially with the game on the line. So quit sharing the faults. He is just not good enough period.......

It would be nice to have kept a better backup to McCoy than Tolbert.

[Foreigner]

Plenzmd1 your point about last year, McCoy was great "with the same exact line". Last year there were deep threats

Watkins, Goodwin, and Woods. (Did I leave anyone else out?). Thus the safeties had to play far off the line to respect

the deep threats. This year Mathews and Holmes are too slow to be deep threats and the rookie has not proven himself

that he can can catch the long ball yet, so on a good defense the safeties are playing closer to the line where they can

either blitz or stack the box. and not worry much about the long ball.

What Dennison does Sunday against the Denver D-can he adapt or will it be more of the same play calling this week,

will determine what year we have. Will he put 6 or 7 on the OL to help out the 5 blocking and thus give only a little pressure on

Taylor and send 2 or 3 down the field. or will he have only 5 on the OL and send 3, 4 or even 5 downfield. Only problem

is we only have 3 receivers and 2 kick returners posing as receivers. Of course there is Clay who has been having trouble

catching the ball and has a bum knee, but why not involve O,Leary more. They do not use him enough. Is he that bad?

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

Polish Dave, you're as Cold As Ice.

 

 

Stop playing Head Games with the OP.

 

This thread is exactly why I love TSW/TBD so much. Three minutes from the opening post, and the OP gets mind-effed by Polish Dave.

There was talk of merging this into another Tyrod apology thread, but I don't want to break it up.

Why do we have to break it up tonight?

[plenzmd1]

Plenzmd1 your point about last year, McCoy was great "with the same exact line". Last year there were deep threats

Watkins, Goodwin, and Woods. (Did I leave anyone else out?). Thus the safeties had to play far off the line to respect

the deep threats. This year Mathews and Holmes are too slow to be deep threats and the rookie has not proven himself

that he can can catch the long ball yet, so on a good defense the safeties are playing closer to the line where they can

either blitz or stack the box. and not worry much about the long ball.

 

 

Good points

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Like the second Miami game last season? the offense in 2016 averaged 25 points against playoff teams, and the defense averaged 33 points given up to playoff teams.

 

 

2015/16 are history. time to move on from past "stats" and look to the future. a future where taylor wont be part of so at the end of the day, he works with what he has and makes the best or worst of it.

 

 

 

drag you wait through a long off season only to go through yet another rebuild where they don't have all the talent necessary (on offense) to compete and one that wont see many wins this season. I'll do the best I can to enjoy this season and hope beane & co have their **** together and draft the right players in 2018 and finally look like a contender?

 

 

maybe 2019 the post season may be in reach, maybe?

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Not a Tyrod hater. I don't hate anyone. I wanna know what love is.

[Perk71]

Another Taylor thread...ugh

[BADOLBILZ]

First of all, we can all agree that Tyrod Taylor is not Jim Kelly. Neither is any other QB not named Tom Brady. So is blaming Taylor for the past Two plus years; psychologizing blaming Taylor for the past Seventeen? It seems like the Taylor haters are out in force this year, weather in the media, social media, or various message boards, including this one. No one is going to be satisfied with our QB until we make the playoffs, because you know the old story. Win, the QB gets more credit than maybe he deserves, and lose get more blame than deserved. I would hate to think what the offense would be like if Taylor was not a mobile QB.

Calling for Nathan Peterman at QB? Give me a break. Maybe one day he will be a good quality QB. But throwing him to the wolves after a good pre season against primarily backups, and opposing teams not game planning? I don't think so.

What has Taylor had to deal with in 2017?

1. A new offensive system trying to get everyone on the same page.

2. A receiving core that is basically three receivers, none of who have been, or may never be a number one WR. As for the last play Sunday, our rookie may be a number one WR some day, but when he had two hands on the ball, he should have made the play, as difficult as it was. We will never know if any other WR would have made the catch either one or two handed but tell me Taylor haters, where does this group rate in the NFL?

3. A OL so bad, McCoy had his worse game from scrimmage ever with six or more carries. Zero yards before contact. What is to become of the run game if he can not stay healthy for 20-30 touches for Sixteen games, which is likely given his time so far in Buffalo. Does he even have a backup? With no run game against a good defense, our QB has to run for his life in the passing game. Of the five on the OL, one has a bad foot (maybe two now), another rather high draft choice has not worked out, and a third on the OL who keeps getting beat, because he does not seem good enough.

Tyrod Taylor has a winning record here as a starter, despite having two defensive minded head coaches. Phil Simms is a fan and read what McCoy said today, so hopefully Sunday there will be cheering for our QB , and not booing, if the Offense does not move, or after a bad pass. After all, I believe even Tom Brady has even thrown a couple of interceptions.

 

 

 

I like Tyrod more now than I did last winter.........and I was all-in on keeping him then.

 

He should be playing the role of catalyst here........facilitating the running game to the tune of an extra half yard per carry plus his own plays.........and gashing defenses with long TD's to not just Sammy Watkins and but also another very good deep WR threat..........like a latter day Randall Cunningham or Daunte Culpepper putting up pinball numbers.....including a league scoring record for one season......while throwing the Carter, Reed and Moss.

 

Instead.......Taylor is somehow surviving and keeping this STILL inept franchise in games despite being asked to do much more with much less.

 

I admire that he knows he is paid to do it and just does his job and doesn't complain because he knows there is nothing he can do about it..............any Bills fan that shows up to every game for 17 sh*tty seasons in a row without a paper bag over their head should relate to this guy.

[Freddie's Dead]

It's Urgent that TieRod gets the offense to Rev on the Red Line. He's just not enough of a Headknocker out there. At least we're at the Cap, so we won't be a Long Long Way from Home. Hopefully Monday won't be another Blue Morning, Blue Day, and we won't again be saying about the game, That was Yesterday.

[Gray Beard]

Yet another Tyrod thread, but it feels like the first time.

 

Tyrod is who he is. The o-line is what it is. Shady is who he is.

The OC doesn't seem to realize what he's got or how to use it. Sad.

[JM2009]

 

 

2015/16 are history. time to move on from past "stats" and look to the future. a future where taylor wont be part of so at the end of the day, he works with what he has and makes the best or worst of it.

 

 

 

drag you wait through a long off season only to go through yet another rebuild where they don't have all the talent necessary (on offense) to compete and one that wont see many wins this season. I'll do the best I can to enjoy this season and hope beane & co have their **** together and draft the right players in 2018 and finally look like a contender?

 

 

maybe 2019 the post season may be in reach, maybe?

If they get the QB right in the draft. Sure. Long time to wait though.

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

It's Urgent that TieRod gets the offense to Rev on the Red Line. He's just not enough of a Headknocker out there. At least we're at the Cap, so we won't be a Long Long Way from Home. Hopefully Monday won't be another Blue Morning, Blue Day, and we won't again be saying about the game, That was Yesterday.

 

 

All I am saying is Nate Peterman could be this year's Dak Prescott if it's u-u-u-urgent enough to press him into duty.

 

He's a pretty clean cut guy, but if given a long, hard look, he might be just enough of a dirty white boy between the whistles to affect just how far up the 2018 draft board Mr. Beane needs to get to.

[Billsmovinup]

Not even a little blame can be based on Dennison? I am of the belief we need to be better at QB, but this guy has me thinking he his Rex V2,only on offense

 

BTW, I knew there was a reason I have always hated Foreigner, it it is right here in this thread

Its amazing how much better the defense looks in the right scheme. Im really at a loss as to why they needed to change an offense that was tenth in scoring last year. On top of that you trade away your only deep threat. Mind boggling Edited September 20, 2017 by Billsmovinup

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Look, don't stop believing in Tyrod. He has the stats to back up that he's gonna be good, that's more than a feeling. He can Take it on the Run. While you and everybody's working for the weekend, He's our blue collar man.

[Freddie's Dead]

 

 

All I am saying is Nate Peterman could be this year's Dak Prescott if it's u-u-u-urgent enough to press him into duty.

 

He's a pretty clean cut guy, but if given a long, hard look, he might be just enough of a dirty white boy between the whistles to affect just how far up the 2018 draft board Mr. Beane needs to get to.

Richie Incognito is THE Dirty White Boy.

Look, don't stop believing in Tyrod. He has the stats to back up that he's gonna be good, that's more than a feeling. He can Take it on the Run. While you and everybody's working for the weekend, He's our blue collar man.

It's been such a Long Time since we been to the playoffs.