26CornerBlitz Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 What I see there is a pocket completely collapsing around him in literally 2 seconds. Tyrod got the ball at the 8 second mark, and the pocket was collapsing at the 10 second mark. 2 seconds. He should have climbed the pocket and delivered the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 What I see there is a pocket completely collapsing around him in literally 2 seconds. Tyrod got the ball at the 8 second mark, and the pocket was collapsing at the 10 second mark. 2 seconds. O line was fairly brutal at times. ask LeSean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 He should have climbed the pocket and delivered the ball. Correct. That is an NFL sized pocket with an NFL length window to deliver the pass, which an NFL quarterback should be able to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 What I see there is a pocket completely collapsing around him in literally 2 seconds. Tyrod got the ball at the 8 second mark, and the pocket was collapsing at the 10 second mark. 2 seconds. And at the top of his route with the coverage he needs to see to anticipate and throw that dig. Like all QBs do. But Tentative Tyrod needs 6. Also clean pocket to step up and make the trow like QBs do. Did he do that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 He should have climbed the pocket and delivered the ball. Fair. However, there is a defender literally behind him who had beaten the RT(?); a simple step up may have not been good enough. But yes, a pure pocket passer like Eli may have stepped up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 No because yo have lied repeatedly during this little convo. First its fifteen yards, then its two lbrs, cmon man the only thing you have left is calling someone a fool because well thats your gig when you are wrong. Im done with you. Its clear as day that nothing good at all comes from that pass. I have showed you two different stills of that play. Its a terrible take even from you. Really where have i lied. 10 my bad. But again TT makes this throw later. If he makes this throw yo would be the first one here saying look a anticipation throw over the middle. And if i try to argue some asnine statement about it could have been picked you would frag me. So cant laud him for making this throw in the game in tighter coverage and then defend hom for not making it here sorry dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 And at the top of his route with the coverage he needs to see to anticipate and throw that dig. Like all QBs do. But Tentative Tyrod needs 6. Also clean pocket to step up and make the trow like QBs do. Did he do that too? That's fair. However like I said above, the defender clearly beats the block right behind him and he probably sensed that. Hard to see from that height just how close the defender was to him..but yes, he could have stepped up possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 He should have climbed the pocket and delivered the ball. See even 26 who me and him never agree anything TT says the throw should have been made No because yo have lied repeatedly during this little convo. First its fifteen yards, then its two lbrs, cmon man the only thing you have left is calling someone a fool because well thats your gig when you are wrong. Im done with you. Its clear as day that nothing good at all comes from that pass. I have showed you two different stills of that play. Its a terrible take even from you. Have fun explaining this one https://twitter.com/yardsperpass/status/909948976253800449 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Fair. However, there is a defender literally behind him who had beaten the RT(?); a simple step up may have not been good enough. But yes, a pure pocket passer like Eli may have stepped up there. Here's the thing about watching this play: if you know your line play, you know that by NOT stepping up into the pocket Taylor leaves a much easier route for the DE to get home and thus makes the RT's job that much harder...rather than sending him around the back of the play he has to block him without the angle for support, meaning the DE can simply bullrush his way home. If Taylor steps up like he's supposed to, RT can play leverage and stay inside while the DE goes flying around the back. There are a lot of examples of this, every game, where Taylor's bad tendencies and lack of vision make the Oline look a lot worse than its actually performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Here's the thing about watching this play: if you know your line play, you know that by NOT stepping up into the pocket Taylor leaves a much easier route for the DE to get home and thus makes the RT's job that much harder...rather than sending him around the back of the play he has to block him without the angle for support, meaning the DE can simply bullrush his way home. If Taylor steps up like he's supposed to, RT can play leverage and stay inside while the DE goes flying around the back. There are a lot of examples of this, every game, where Taylor's bad tendencies and lack of vision make the Oline look a lot worse than its actually performing. This as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Difficulty ........... Significantly higher ......... He was running ....... Not that hard to see the same faults Ummm... what? Honestly are you just trolling at this point? I would love to talk football, but coherent and cohesive posts are necessary for that. Ready check this timeline there hero https://twitter.com/cover_1_/status/909918697401221121 Honestly are you watching the plays unfold or relying on commentary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Ummm... what? Honestly are you just trolling at this point? I would love to talk football, but coherent and cohesive posts are necessary for that. Honestly are you watching the plays unfold or relying on commentary? Watching the play unfold. But nope thats right no way TT leaves playes (specially inside the number breaking plays) on the field. No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/909946801775669248 The only reason Tyrod was able to thread the needle here is because this guy was college open over the middle. How about this one. Watch Zay WIDE Open on the dig https://twitter.com/cover_1_/status/909918697401221121 Nice. Guess I have my answer. Nearly word for word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Have fun explaining this one https://twitter.com/yardsperpass/status/909948976253800449 Can you explain it? What's happening? Where should the ball be going? When? Why? How many more yards would we have gained on that throw than the yards we gained on a play that was a pass play for positive yardage? Please enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 And you need to be too. Our defense played their butts off. Absolutely horrible QB play. He missed receivers all day long and never keeps his eyes downfield. The guy makes me sick. Such a shame we are a average QB away. He shouldn't make anyone sick. He's trying his butt off. But yeah, he is what he has been since his first seven or eight games. Once defences figured him out, they've stopped him from being much of a force. It's what was always the likely outcome with him. Still not a 100% conclusion. Guys improve. But the likelihood at this very late date is miniscule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Can you explain it? What's happening? Where should the ball be going? When? Why? How many more yards would we have gained on that throw than the yards we gained on a play that was a pass play for positive yardage? Please enlighten us. Sure ball should be thrown to Zay. When TT cocked to throw and ultimately hitched. Why he was open And would have been a first down. I did find the perfect fit for TT starting next year. Jax. Doug loves safe dont turn the ball over and then offers some running ability as well. Edited September 19, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Can you explain it? What's happening? Where should the ball be going? When? Why? How many more yards would we have gained on that throw than the yards we gained on a play that was a pass play for positive yardage? Please enlighten us. Seriously? It's that baffling to you? The slot guy on the right and right are wide open for a quick hitter up the middle. The outside guy on the left also gets open when he cuts in, very open for first down yardage. And there's no safety help because the safety on that side backs up and then drifts towards the middle. And Tyrod goes to none of them. Not that hitting the safety valve was horrible on that play. It was OK but not when you have good options in the routes run by the WRs, especially the left guy on the outside. But it's typical Tyrod having trouble going in rhythm in the play's design. The pocket held up beautifully, there was no pressure, but he didn't go to any of the routes, not even the one on the far left most likely to get ten yards or more. OCs draw up plays so that QBs will have a high likelihood of seeing a guy come open at a pre-arranged place and time, making it easier on the QB. You want your QB to know, see and trust the play design and throw when the situation is right. Tyrod knows it. And it seems very likely that he sees it. But all too often he doesn't trust it, doesn't throw it and hangs on in hopes of making something happen outside the structure of the play. It's too bad, but that's Tyrod. Edited September 19, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Watching the play unfold. But nope thats right no way TT leaves playes (specially inside the number breaking plays) on the field. No way Of course he leaves plays on the field. Every single QB in the NFL leaves plays on the field. It's obvious. What's funny here is that you chose 2 plays to criticize that someone else (who has also been historically hypercritical of Taylor) chose and you practically used their own words but when pressed further you seemed at a loss for words. Invest in game pass and watch the plays without the commentary and think for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 So, if you're "done with Tyrod", will you be going away until he's gone? I'm just trying to understand all this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Of course he leaves plays on the field. Every single QB in the NFL leaves plays on the field. It's obvious. What's funny here is that you chose 2 plays to criticize that someone else (who has also been historically hypercritical of Taylor) chose and you practically used their own words but when pressed further you seemed at a loss for words. Invest in game pass and watch the plays without the commentary and think for yourself. Look around bud. I have broken down the plays multiple times using my own words. But keep trying. Even gave a class a couple pages back on High and Low crossers on the dig route. Might want to see what i am posting before you criticize what i say or do. And yes i do have game pass tough guy sorry i dont want to bring myself to watch the full **** show that was Bills offense right now. When i can see clips on twitter and analyze the play myself Seriously? It's that baffling to you? The slot guy on the right is wide open for a quick hitter up the middle. And he's not looking that way but the outside guy on the left also gets open when he cuts in. Nothing he was just trying to call me out is all Edited September 19, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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