dpberr Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Honest question here - I'm having a hard time figuring out how 1800s United States Confederacy and 1930s European Fascism have any relation to one another. Aren't they pretty much the opposite of one another? Is there any historical or legitimate connection whatsoever between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 This is one of the best sources on the rise of European Fascism Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Racism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 There might be a few things in common, but there is really nothing huge to tie the Confederacy on to 1930s Facism. That is if you want to think and try to convince anyone else with an IQ over 50. f you want to just mouth off on the internet then you can say whatever you like, but nobody will talk to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Here is a good article, more about Jim Crow and such, but on point http://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 They have no relation of any sort that I can think of. And I've studied that era of history fairly extensively. National Socialism and the Confederacy have a similarity in agrarianism (including the use of slave labor), but even that's a very superficial similarity - National Socialism did so almost exclusively out of bull **** racial and "noble peasantry" theory, whereas the Confederacy's was born far more from economic necessity of a landed aristocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 They have no relation of any sort that I can think of. And I've studied that era of history fairly extensively. National Socialism and the Confederacy have a similarity in agrarianism (including the use of slave labor), but even that's a very superficial similarity - National Socialism did so almost exclusively out of bull **** racial and "noble peasantry" theory, whereas the Confederacy's was born far more from economic necessity of a landed aristocracy. No, they were both extreme racists and were not afraid to say so. That's the connection. the economic necessity argument is so lame. Most southern s were not slaveholders but supported white supremacy to the death. And btw, that economic argument of yours basically makes the point that capitalism fuels racism, a Marxist point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 When it was over, Lincoln reinstituted those who pledged allegiance to the United States of America. Mussolini was shot and then left in the public square and defecated on and then strung up for a week in the square. I can't even imagine finding the time to read the bullcrap that Tiberius must be posted here on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 When it was over, Lincoln reinstituted those who pledged allegiance to the United States of America. Mussolini was shot and then left in the public square and defecated on and then strung up for a week in the square.I can't even imagine finding the time to read the bullcrap that Tiberius must be posted here on this one. Gosh, people get so angry when you point out racism. Racism in Nazis and Confederates!!! Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 No, they were both extreme racists and were not afraid to say so. That's the connection. the economic necessity argument is so lame. Most southern s were not slaveholders but supported white supremacy to the death. And btw, that economic argument of yours basically makes the point that capitalism fuels racism, a Marxist point That's not a relation, it's a SIMILARITY. And an extremely shallow one. Oh, !@#$ it. Just shut tbe !@#$ up, ****head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Tiberius, is there a topic you don't mouth off with zero helpful knowledge on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 On 5 June 1934, about a year and half after Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich, the leading lawyers of Nazi Germany gathered at a meeting to plan what would become the Nuremberg Laws, the centrepiece anti-Jewish legislation of the Nazi race regime. The meeting was an important one, and a stenographer was present to take down a verbatim transcript, to be preserved by the ever-diligent Nazi bureaucracy as a record of a crucial moment in the creation of the new race regime. That transcript reveals a startling fact: the meeting involved lengthy discussions of the law of the United States of America. At its very opening, the Minister of Justice presented a memorandum on US race law and, as the meeting progressed, the participants turned to the US example repeatedly. They debated whether they should bring Jim Crow segregation to the Third Reich. They engaged in detailed discussion of the statutes from the 30 US states that criminalised racially mixed marriages. They reviewed how the various US states determined who counted as a ‘Negro’ or a ‘Mongol’, and weighed whether they should adopt US techniques in their own approach to determining who counted as a Jew. Throughout the meeting the most ardent supporters of the US model were the most radical Nazis in the room. http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-nazis-studied-american-race-laws-for-inspiration-2017-2 That's not a relation, it's a SIMILARITY. And an extremely shallow one. Oh, !@#$ it. Just shut tbe !@#$ up, ****head. Come on, don't get angry and start with insults. This is a great subject that we can discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-nazis-studied-american-race-laws-for-inspiration-2017-2 Come on, don't get angry and start with insults. This is a great subject that we can discuss This is a great subject adults can discuss. Not you. You have already made, by any objective measure, less than zero meaningful contribution to the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 This is a great subject adults can discuss. Not you. You have already made, by any objective measure, less than zero meaningful contribution to the thread. and every other one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 and every other one as well. You guys just can't handle the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 You guys just can't handle the truthdiamond Rio, a country band from Texas, was originally named Texassee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 You guys just can't handle the truth at least make me laugh sometimes, I really enjoy laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 at least make me laugh sometimes, I really enjoy laughing. The best humor comes from truth. Tibs is deathly allergic to truth, as he continually demonstrates with his posts, hence his humor suffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 The best humor comes from truth. Tibs is deathly allergic to truth, as he continually demonstrates with his posts, hence his humor suffers. Oh damn!!! I saw you posted here and was hoping you actually tried contributing to the topic. That would have been fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 You guys just can't handle the truth https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+can%27t+handle+the+truth+scene&&view=detail&mid=A85060FCCBDC0E649389A85060FCCBDC0E649389&rvsmid=F5D77DD5FE8EA81AB4EAF5D77DD5FE8EA81AB4EA&fsscr=0&FORM=VDQVAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Tiberius, is there a topic you don't mouth off with zero helpful knowledge on? In Tib's defense he knows a little about hockey. Not much else, but there is hockey at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 In Tib's defense he knows a little about hockey. Not much else, but there is hockey at least I'm sure us Leafs fans would drown him without effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I'm sure us Leafs fans would drown him without effort. Oh, please do... ...oh, wait. That's a metaphor, isn't it? Never mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I'm sure us Leafs fans would drown him without effort. Oh, please do... ...oh, wait. That's a metaphor, isn't it? Never mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I'm sure us Leafs fans would drown him without effort. Oh really? He has Michael Mann to back him up. Everything he knows about hockey he learned from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 C'mon..."Will no one rid me of this annoying three year old?" We're not talking about Thomas Beckett, we're talking about !@#$ing (*^*&%^$^#gatorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Well played grin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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