Warren Zevon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Cohen and 'Individual 1' conspired with Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, peace out said: Cohen and 'Individual 1' conspired with Russia Link to that portion? Still going through it and haven't seen that. 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Tax evasion + loan falsification (the taxi medallions starting in 2012). The illegal campaign contributions is a little convoluted to me, apparently, he did something wrong between 2015 and 2017, but I couldn't follow that bouncing ball. :beer: So far Mueller is saying Cohen had a big mouth and less access to Trump than he advertised to people who were paying him. First (very fast) read of the filing shows there's not much here that hasn't been known for some time. All the taxi stuff has been known, ditto with the payments to the two women. Nothing about collusion or conspiring with Russians or anything to do with the election itself (and Russia). He met with Mueller's team 2 times, and most of the other times were spent with the SDNY talking taxis. This is a big ol' strike for Mueller (if you subscribe to Mueller trying to take down Trump - if you subscribe to the more fringe idea that Mueller's doing something else, it kind of fits that box neatly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) Will need to read closer tonight when I have more time but those are the first thoughts. Here's the Mueller filing - the first linked one was the SDNY one: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5453433-USA-v-Cohen-SCO-Sentencing-Memo.html Edited December 7, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Here's what I think Peace was talking about: This has been known. This is not new - and no meeting happened. Trying to set up a meeting at the UN between Trump and Putin - which was the idea pushed by Felix Sater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Notice the dodge. He doesn't answer at all because he knows it was bullshite and knew it at the time. ******************** Reports are that the Manafort filing (which is due by midnight) will be heavily redacted. If that's the case, many will try to turn that into proof of Russian collusion. I'll remind people that the investigation into Mecury and Podesta Group is ongoing and likely would require major redactions to preserve its integrity. That's far more likely to be the reason than Russian Collusion based on everything else we know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 ****************** Also, GP is released. ********************* ****************** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swill Merchant Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: If that's true there will be an avalanche of indictments coming down on Democrats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So it's out. Heavily redacted... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tvjar-y3FjDrzT5rXQBRneipnGLjRxjk/view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Manafort just looks like he'd lie about anything and everything as a matter of principle. Mueller, on the other hand, looks like Leslie Nielsen having a bad reaction to shellfish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Manafort just looks like he'd lie about anything and everything as a matter of principle. Mueller, on the other hand, looks like Leslie Nielsen having a bad reaction to shellfish. Fred Gwynne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Fred Gwynne I can only imagine Mueller taking the testimony of NYC attorney... "Tell me about your association with Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner." "Mr. Mueller, the first time I met those two yutes was..." "Excuse me...what is a 'yute?'" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 Damn! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Damn! You're such a pathetic little disease. In your own words, you feeble minded dolt, what does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I can only imagine Mueller taking the testimony of NYC attorney... "Tell me about your association with Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner." "Mr. Mueller, the first time I met those two yutes was..." "Excuse me...what is a 'yute?'" "Next time you step into my court room, you're to be wearing a suit made of some kind of cloth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: You're such a pathetic little disease. In your own words, you feeble minded dolt, what does this mean? The author of that is KellyAnn Conway's husband. He is jealous of Trump and the time she spends with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The author of that is KellyAnn Conway's husband. He is jealous of Trump and the time she spends with him. I don't think you are far wrong that he has a real issue with her working for Trump. Not sure if it is jealousy or something else, but there is no denying the man hates Trump. How far he will go to "get Trump" I do not know. Makes me wonder why KellyAnn stays married to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I don't think you are far wrong that he has a real issue with her working for Trump. Not sure if it is jealousy or something else, but there is no denying the man hates Trump. How far he will go to "get Trump" I do not know. Makes me wonder why KellyAnn stays married to him. He's put her in a situation that I would never put a spouse in. Shameless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 This story popped up in my news feed earlier today, and I didn't notice until later tonight because of the ominous headline. I read it, and laughed at the progression: Quote Rudy Giuliani hints that today's Manafort hearing will indict Trump, Trump Jr., Kushner Mark Sumner Friday December 07, 2018 · 2:29 PM EST To coin a phrase … boom. Friday is the deadline for Special Counsel Robert Mueller to explain why he feels that Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort has repeatedly lied to investigators and breached his plea deal. Considering the number and nature of the charges against Manafort, it’s entirely possible that those lies could have been about his money laundering for Russian oligarchs. Or his foreign lobbying for Russian oligarchs. Or failing to properly report the money he was being funneled by Russian oligarchs. Or overthrowing governments for Russian oligarchs. But it’s beginning to appear that Manafort was lying about that other thing he did for Russian oligarchs: Running the Trump campaign. In particular, Mueller’s team reportedly did not believe Manafort when he told them that Trump did not know that Trump Tower meeting between his top campaign staff and Russian operatives. Sounds pretty bad Quote Rudy Giuliani set the stage on Friday afternoon, playing the “Manafort said that Mueller said” game of political telephone. As he has on other occasions, Giuliani seemed to be trying to get out front of the coming crazy, saying that what got Manafort in trouble wasn’t lying about his crimes. It was lying about Trump’s. But, then - Oh, never mind. Quote Friday, Dec 7, 2018 · 6:35:13 PM EST · Mark Sumner And … no. Now that the documents for Manafort are out, there’s not a lot of juicy material there. Unless i missed it. Which could be the case. The Cohen-related material was much more damning this time around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 8 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: The author of that is KellyAnn Conway's husband. He is jealous of Trump and the time she spends with him. Mary Matalin and James Carville part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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