Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) That's not the issue. Just because a class is better doesn't mean it will benefit the Bills. Would you pass on Derek Carr in 2014 because 2015 is supposed to be better? With the benefit of hindsight? Of course not, but you have to draft looking forward. At the time, I had zero issue passing on Carr and most felt that way. If you would have said "would you rather try to make a run at Jameis or Mariota or take Carr (Bortles, JFF or Bridgewater)" I certainly would have been saying to make your play in 2015. It's like Dak last year. Everyone is mad about Dak now but no one was complaining about it on May 10th. As of today, I don't see a guy at QB worth the 10th pick. Someone will emerge and we will all use hindsight to say "I can't believe the Bills let _____ go." I hope it ends up being like Davis Webb or Josh Dobbs. It is always better when it's a guy that no one talked about and they use hindsight to act like they knew but Whaley & Co. didn't. If I had to guess I would probably say that Mahomes has the highest ceiling, Watson and Trubisky will be average starters. Kizer won't do anything, Peterman stinks as does Webb. I wouldn't at all be surprised though if none of these guys were ever better than Tannehill (or someone like that). Edited April 5, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 With the benefit of hindsight? Of course not, but you have to draft looking forward. At the time, I had zero issue passing on Carr and most felt that way. It's like Dak last year. Everyone is mad about Dak now but no one was complaining about it on May 10th. As of today, I don't see a guy at QB worth the 10th pick. Someone will emerge and we will all use hindsight to say "I can't believe the Bills let _____ go." I hope it ends up being like Davis Webb or Josh Dobbs. It is always better when it's a guy that no one talked about and they use hindsight to act like they knew but Whaley & Co. didn't. If I had to guess I would probably say that Mahomes has the highest ceiling, Watson and Trubisky will be average starters. Kizer won't do anything, Peterman stinks as does Webb. I wouldn't at all be surprised though if none of these guys were ever better than Tannehill (or someone like that). Ok, that's fine. You just don't like the QB's. I personally like this year better at the top than last year. Mahomes> Wentz and Trubisky > Goff. And the person in my network that sold me on Mahomes had Dak #2 on his board last year over Goff. The Bills are responsible for scouting these QB's. If they fail to do their job they will deserve to be ridiculed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Ok, that's fine. You just don't like the QB's. I personally like this year better at the top than last year. Mahomes> Wentz and Trubisky > Goff. And the person in my network that sold me on Mahomes had Dak #2 on his board last year over Goff. The Bills are responsible for scouting these QB's. If they fail to do their job they will deserve to be ridiculed. I'm not disagreeing with that. Again though, every team passed on Dak multiple times (same with RW). I really hate the MMQBing that people do. I applaud you for going on the record with your guy. Bandit loves the guy and there isn't a person on this board whose opinion I respect more. Mahomes may be a star; he has that potential. He also has a pretty low floor. The Bills IMO shouldn't pull the trigger until they have a clear upgrade. I wouldn't mind them dropping to 25 (as an example) and grabbing a 2018 1st. I am fine building a war chest to strike but I'm not for throwing darts or buying lottery tickets (at least early). That's how I feel about 2017 (and I know that 1 or 2 will probably pan out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) Taylor at #21... sounds right. NFL starter, but not a top tier guy. You're welcome to look at YPA, sacks and fumbles too my dude. And GWD's/4QC. 32 out of 32 GM's take Dalton over TT. That makes it insanity, IMO. They do? Link? Luck at 6? Based on what? Ahead of Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Netwon? You can't say longevity and future performance with Brady and Brees at 2 and 3.Newton at 16? I would take him over every other QB except Brady and Rodgers if you are talking about only next year. I would take him over all of them if you are talking for the next 5-10 years. Luck is the most overrated QB in the NFL today. It's ridiculous the slack that guy has been given after having been touted "the greatest prospect since Peyton Manning." No, I'm not saying Luck is a bad QB, I'm saying he's not a great QB, and certainly not an Elite QB. He might be one some day and he'll be given countless opportunities because of where he was drafted in the same way Sam Bradford has been given countless opportunities, but Andrew Luck is really just an above average NFL QB based on what he's done in the NFL. I can't wait for the responses to that one... actually, Tyrod is 14-14. Yeah, Matt Cassel's 1 snap against Indy in 2015 really blew those Colts out of the water! Edited April 6, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I would move Tyrod to 14th on the list. His overall value is better than Flacco, Wentz, Tannehill, Newton, Manning, Bradford and Rivers. Newton, Manning, Rivers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) Newton, Manning, Rivers ? I like Tyrod but that's crazy to me. Cam is WAY low on this list. He is top 10 all day. He can dominate a game in a way that VERY few can. Edited April 6, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Taylor at #21... sounds right. Luck is the most overrated QB in the NFL today. It's ridiculous the slack that guy has been given after having been touted "the greatest prospect since Peyton Manning." No, I'm not saying Luck is a bad QB, I'm saying he's not a great QB, and certainly not an Elite QB. He might be one some day and he'll be given countless opportunities because of where he was drafted in the same way Sam Bradford has been given countless opportunities, but Andrew Luck is really just an above average NFL Amazing take. Luck only threw for 31tds and 4,240 yards last year. I like Tyrod but that's crazy to me. Cam is WAY low on this list. He is top 10 all day. He can dominate a game in a way that VERY few can. 20-24 is his range imo. Personally I'd take Dalton and Smith over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Taylor at #21... sounds right. NFL starter, but not a top tier guy. They do? Link? Luck is the most overrated QB in the NFL today. It's ridiculous the slack that guy has been given after having been touted "the greatest prospect since Peyton Manning." No, I'm not saying Luck is a bad QB, I'm saying he's not a great QB, and certainly not an Elite QB. He might be one some day and he'll be given countless opportunities because of where he was drafted in the same way Sam Bradford has been given countless opportunities, but Andrew Luck is really just an above average NFL QB based on what he's done in the NFL. I can't wait for the responses to that one... Yeah, Matt Cassel's 1 snap against Indy in 2015 really blew those Colts out of the water! Where do you rank Luck? Also, they don't? Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Amazing take. Luck only threw for 31tds and 4,240 yards last year. Yes... YARDS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Where would guys like Cutler, Kaepernick, and any other FA QB available rank right now ? Where does Cardale Jones rank ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) Yes... YARDS!!!! You mean Td's ? Don't forget the three 11-5 seasons w playoffs. And don't forget all the excuses you make for #5. Luck good, you on qb's = bad. Edited April 6, 2017 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInMaine Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Luck is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yes... YARDS!!!! What, passing yards don't matter to you for QB play? or do only Tyrods rushing yards matter when you try and justify him for QB play? Can't have it both ways! Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Luck is overrated. NFL.com has him at #8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 TT led bills to 7th highest scoring offense .......but deserves none of the credit (sarcasm) despite injuries to sammy, robert woods, cordy glenn, seantrel henerson, eric wood, shady, traded away Hogan had the bills defense given up the 7th least amount of points......nobody would be talking about TT like they are today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 You mean Td's ? Don't forget the three 11-5 seasons w playoffs. And don't forget all the excuses you make for #5. Luck good, you on qb's = bad. I don't think Luck is bad, but you quoted last year's stats. Why not quote last year's win-loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Just remember guys fc would have Manziel top five on that list. Shows you his qb opinion Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Just remember guys fc would have Manziel top five on that list. Shows you his qb opinion Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well that's just not true. He's not in my top 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I don't think Luck is bad, but you quoted last year's stats. Why not quote last year's win-loss? 3rd worse defense as opposed to 16th No run game or OL setting him up on ez street. Luck was a beast last year, and it's pretty unrefutable. 3rd worse defense as opposed to 16th No run game or OL setting him up on ez street. Luck was a beast last year, and it's pretty unrefutable. Bills coast into playoffs with ease if one replaced Taylor w Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) I don't think Luck is bad, but you quoted last year's stats. Why not quote last year's win-loss? 8-7 with Luck at QB, but that's a team stat right. Edited April 6, 2017 by old school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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