cd1 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 That's not the point. Tyrod requires a good/very good team around him to succeed... It may not be "the point" but it will more than likely be the REALITY. Hey, it actually may be a better way to watch the Bills. Afterall, you already content at all the money saved so you don't have to be throwing things at the TV when your guys scew up. I guess there is something soothing about watching a game with your expectations already met. (saved a ton of money) I think it is a fine dance - trying to build a strong team. Many of the best players want to win NOW. They are not willing to sacrafice their carreers waiting around for some team to slowly collect all the right players. The Bills have had more than their share of GOOD/GREAT players who could not get out fast enough. Then you start again... For Crying out loud Jim Kelly tried everything to avoid coming to the Bills. Some of us just can't seem to lose that crazy notion that we want our team to actually WIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Missing out on something? What does this mean? The Bills will have plenty of cap space after 2017 even with Tyrods option picked up. If they draft a rookie QB and he emerges as a better player then Tyrod then the Bills will have a very good problem on their hands.... I'm sure a problem they wouldn't mind having. They have plenty of cap room after 2017 because certain players aren't signed yet. The cap numbers as of right now, according to OTC, look good because Watkins hasn't had his option picked up, which is roughly $8M at the moment but could go up after FA. It also looks good because it only includes 13 starters who are under contract. This also doesn't take into effect that the Bills need to sign players THIS offseason, which will effect the 2018 cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 No offense, but I'm starting to think that the phrase "long term" is the enemy of reason among Bills fans. This is a short term league, and McDermott WILL be fired if he has successive 4-12 seasons. Nothing is precluding the Bills from paying Taylor his garden variety contractual salary, drafting a qb early, and still managing the cap with relative ease. And that should be the end of the discussion but instead every day is groundhog day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Picking up Tyrods option won't hamper the team much at all. People just B word because it's a 2 year commitment to a guy who's been slightly above average and pay grade is on par with that. Plus he's not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady so get him out! No it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Guarantee I will be bitching if they dump Tyrod for a rookie who struggles along with the team.... but hey, at least the team saved all that cap room! 100%. Ftfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 It may not be "the point" but it will more than likely be the REALITY. Hey, it actually may be a better way to watch the Bills. Afterall, you already content at all the money saved so you don't have to be throwing things at the TV when your guys scew up. I guess there is something soothing about watching a game with your expectations already met. (saved a ton of money) I think it is a fine dance - trying to build a strong team. Many of the best players want to win NOW. They are not willing to sacrafice their carreers waiting around for some team to slowly collect all the right players. The Bills have had more than their share of GOOD/GREAT players who could not get out fast enough. Then you start again... For Crying out loud Jim Kelly tried everything to avoid coming to the Bills. Some of us just can't seem to lose that crazy notion that we want our team to actually WIN. I want the Bills to win. That's why we cannot pick up that option. The NFL is a league of parity where many games come down to the last drive. Tyrod is not who we need directing the offense in the last 2 minutes. You cannot pay limited players 30-40 million dollars and expect to win. I see this as a 6 win team next year if we pay Tyrod all that money. Draft a QB in the first round. I like Mahomes and Trubisky. Draft Chad Kelly late. The winner of Cardale, Kelly, and 1st round QB gets to lead the team. Clear cap space, acquire picks. Bills will be in good shape to compete in 2018 with a cheaper, better QB. If the plan fails you get another shot to draft 2018 QB high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_Chick Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 there is high demand in the QB market. we knew this. Bills are not "overpaying" for Tyrod. If anything, they are getting Tyrod at BELOW market value and they should just pull the trigger on the option already. Is it "too much" money for Tyrod? Probably. But it's not an overpay because the market is extremely bloated. Unless the Bills are planning to tank, then go ahead and start some crappy QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I want the Bills to win. That's why we cannot pick up that option. The NFL is a league of parity where many games come down to the last drive. Tyrod is not who we need directing the offense in the last 2 minutes. You cannot pay limited players 30-40 million dollars and expect to win. I see this as a 6 win team next year if we pay Tyrod all that money. Draft a QB in the first round. I like Mahomes and Trubisky. Draft Chad Kelly late. The winner of Cardale, Kelly, and 1st round QB gets to lead the team. Clear cap space, acquire picks. Bills will be in good shape to compete in 2018 with a cheaper, better QB. If the plan fails you get another shot to draft 2018 QB high. You think we'll win more games with a rookie (the consensus is that none of these rookies are ready to play) than with Taylor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaggatronMcCoy Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 This is Whaley management 101... Don't pay the fair market value for a QB. Instead cut them loose without a viable backup plan, and waste a first round draft pick on the next EJ Manuel, pay him peanuts because he's a rookie, and pray he turns into a franchise quarterback. When he doesn't... hold an open tryout with a bunch of journeyman guys, get a viable starter out of them, then balk about he's not worth the money you ignorantly offered him in his new contract deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 You think we'll win more games with a rookie (the consensus is that none of these rookies are ready to play) than with Taylor? Look at next years schedule. Who is Tyrod gonna beat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 This is Whaley management 101... Don't pay the fair market value for a QB. Instead cut them loose without a viable backup plan, and waste a first round draft pick on the next EJ Manuel, pay him peanuts because he's a rookie, and pray he turns into a franchise quarterback. When he doesn't... hold an open tryout with a bunch of journeyman guys, get a viable starter out of them, then balk about he's not worth the money you ignorantly offered him in his new contract deal. Sounds like purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jeffismagic Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 You think we'll win more games with a rookie (the consensus is that none of these rookies are ready to play) than with Taylor? No. But I don't see this as a playoff team, not even close. So no point in overpaying for mediocre players like we have the last few years to make a push. Time to surgically remove the dead weight, get younger, and find our QB of the future in training camp. Let that QB get the snaps and have an offense designed around THEIR skillset. I don't want Tyrod here taking up money and snaps when we should be getting younger. A great draft this year and next and we'll be in great shape PLUS we will have real cap room and a younger, more talented roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Look at next years schedule. Who is Tyrod gonna beat ? The Bills as a team are likely to struggle badly this year. That's the result of 5+ years of terrible drafting. I'm pretty confident that Tyrod wins more games than one of these unprepared rookies. I don't see how it makes any sense to draft a rookie, who every analyst says isn't ready to play this year, and burden them with the expectation that they need to show that they're "the guy", or else you go and replace them in 2018 after they inevitably don't play well enough. Edited March 6, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 QB's get $$$$. Is this a surprise? Oh, and they get paid before the average-great- HOF play. The player has the leverage, as there are not enough to go around. Roll the dice if you want (and I support that), but don't ditch the one serious option you have. Right. I dont mind cutting Tyrods option but if we dont grab Trubisky Watson or Mahomes ill be pissed and assume were tanking next season. Tanking does not build a winning mentality or culture and Buffalo has been missing a winning mentality since the music city disaster and Flutie Curse. Pick up Taylor's option and sign a 1st round Rookie QB. Best case scenario is we have a Brees/Rivers controversy. Worst is we continue to miss the playoffs. This is the obvious thing to do if they have players that want to win now, without waiting. He's been a starter for only 2 seasons.........and if we had just an average defense last year we would have mage the playoffs That is true. This is Whaley management 101... Don't pay the fair market value for a QB. Instead cut them loose without a viable backup plan, and waste a first round draft pick on the next EJ Manuel, pay him peanuts because he's a rookie, and pray he turns into a franchise quarterback. When he doesn't... hold an open tryout with a bunch of journeyman guys, get a viable starter out of them, then balk about he's not worth the money you ignorantly offered him in his new contract deal. thats pretty much what happened. I think Trubisky Watson and Mahomes could be good QBs tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) No. But I don't see this as a playoff team, not even close. So no point in overpaying for mediocre players like we have the last few years to make a push. Time to surgically remove the dead weight, get younger, and find our QB of the future in training camp. Let that QB get the snaps and have an offense designed around THEIR skillset. I don't want Tyrod here taking up money and snaps when we should be getting younger. A great draft this year and next and we'll be in great shape PLUS we will have real cap room and a younger, more talented roster. That's a great plan, but the odds are we won't get better at the QB spot. You can do whatever you want to get younger, but the result of that is overwhelmingly likely to produce significantly worse QB play next year. Just because you want a "QB of the future" doesn't mean it's even remotely likely of happening. Edited March 6, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 The Bills as a team are likely to struggle badly this year. I'm pretty confident that Tyrod wins more games than one of these unprepared rookies. I don't see how it makes any sense to draft a rookie, who every analyst says isn't ready to play this year, and burden them with the expectation that they need to show that they're "the guy", or else you go and replace them in 2018 after they inevitably don't play well enough. This is the new NFL. 1st round draft picks come in way more prepared than a decade ago. Players that have "it" show early. My plan did not demand the 1st round QB play, only that he compete with Cardale and 1 other young prospect (Chad Kelly). The winner will be who the coaches feel best going forward with. The Eagles finished with the same record as the Bills last year PLUS they got their young QB valuable snaps. It's about building a winner, not coasting around hoping for the best. That's a great plan, but the odds are we won't get better at the QB spot. You can do whatever you want to get younger, but the result of that is overwhelmingly likely to produce significantly worse QB play next year. Just because you want a "QB of the future" doesn't mean it's even remotely likely of happening. No, I feel the odds are that my plan would have a young QB emerge BETTER and CHEAPER than Tyrod within one year. This year is a wash due to heavy free agency loss and new coaches. It's using this year wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Chad has the confidence to be a starter and be able to shake off learning mistakes jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Chad has the confidence to be a starter and be able to shake off learning mistakes jmo Between: Cardale Jones Mahomes, Trubisky, Watson pick in the first round Chad Kelly Bills should find someone that can hand off the ball to Shady and pass for 200 yards a game. Plus we as fans will enjoy watching this more than the same gimmicks hiding a QB in Tyrod that can't make all the NFL throws. And if I'm wrong the Bills get to pick a QB top 5 in 2018. What a punch in the gut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 This is the new NFL. 1st round draft picks come in way more prepared than a decade ago. Players that have "it" show early. My plan did not demand the 1st round QB play, only that he compete with Cardale and 1 other young prospect (Chad Kelly). The winner will be who the coaches feel best going forward with. The Eagles finished with the same record as the Bills last year PLUS they got their young QB valuable snaps. It's about building a winner, not coasting around hoping for the best. No, I feel the odds are that my plan would have a young QB emerge BETTER and CHEAPER than Tyrod within one year. This year is a wash due to heavy free agency loss and new coaches. It's using this year wisely. Ugh. Letting a couple rookies compete with our 2016 third string QB isn't going to produce an upgrade at the position. This plan combined with our schedule might legitimately result in the #1 pick in the 2018 draft. At that point you're probably looking for another QB. And no, it's not more likely. The last 20 years of the NFL draft shows how incredibly hard it is to find a quality quarterback. Between: Cardale Jones Mahomes, Trubisky, Watson pick in the first round Chad Kelly Bills should find someone that can hand off the ball to Shady and pass for 200 yards a game. Plus we as fans will enjoy watching this more than the same gimmicks hiding a QB in Tyrod that can't make all the NFL throws. And if I'm wrong the Bills get to pick a QB top 5 in 2018. What a punch in the gut! Yeah. They'll be able to hand the ball off and throw for 200 yards, and the number of turnovers we have will probably triple, and we'll lose 13+ games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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