3rdand12 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 No reason to delay if they were going to just pick up the option without question. Likely they want to figure out what happens to Romo, and it's also likely that they want to pressure Tyrod because they're at the very least going to try to get him to re-negotiate. I think that was expected by both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) I think you'll be shocked to see how little interest he gets in being anything more than a backup. I'm no fan of Tyrod as a starter on this team. But I disagree. I think there are probably ten teams that have worse QBs, and some will have cap space and be willing to take a flier on him while probably drafting another guy as well. There is zero pressure on Tyrod. None. If the Bills keep him, fine. If he's released to free agency, even better. He wants to stay in Buffalo. And he doesn't know what will happen in FA. There's plenty of pressure on him, though he certainly could refuse to re-negotiate, either thinking the Bills are bluffing or being willing to take a cut in FA if that's how things turn out there. Tyrod is a "look at me" type who I would kick straight to the curb and look forward to competing against if another team is dumb enough to let him play. At the preseason game in D.C. you could spot him from a mile away because he was the only guy wearing a red hat, desperately trying to stand out, not being a team player. Get rid of this punk, who by the way CAN'T throw a pass. I am a VT Hokie but not a fan of Tyrod at all. I would take Vick over this loser, if the goal is to win. Again, I don't want Tyrod on this team as anymore than a bridge QB, and even then not at this salary .... ... but that's ridiculous. He's not a look-at-me type at all. He's a good guy, a hard worker and a good teammate. I just think he isn't going to ever make the major jumps upwards that he would need to be a top ten or twelve QB. Which is what we need. Edited February 7, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I have seen this "Doug Whaley loves porn" angle going around the board for months now. Just curious, what was the genesis for this line of joking? Back in the day when he was in Pittsburgh, IIRC, he got in minor hot water for passing a long a porn clip in an email that went to the wrong party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) It's a reasonable opinion. Especially about a guy who regressed significantly in his second year, a guy in his sixth year in the league. Edited February 7, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Regressed significantly? Not true. And it's not a reasonable opinion at all. It's a pretty dumb one. Like Ive been saying, since when is football not a team game? Last I checked there is defense and special teams along with 10 other players besides Tyrod on offense. The problem isn't that his game regressed as it didn't advance. That's what the organization witnessed watching him this year. There were specific areas of weaknesses that he had in the first year he started. The same weaknesses were evident in his second year as a starter. No one can complain with TT's work ethic and his professionalism. However, what is telling to the point of being disturbing is that although he put in the effort to work on his deficiencies he still didn't improve in those areas. Does anyone doubt that if TT exhibited a marked improvement from his first year to the second year that this organization would not only embrace him but from a contract standpoint lock him up? You don't have to be an insider to realize what the organization's position is with respect to TT? They are not enamored with him. The issue then is what are its options? If the GM had a better option he would without hesitation take it. As it stands he is holding out as long as possible in making any commitment to him until there is no other option. Edited February 7, 2017 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Tony Tony Tony ! Thank god you're not running this team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Regressed significantly? Not true. And it's not a reasonable opinion at all. It's a pretty dumb one. Like Ive been saying, since when is football not a team game? Last I checked there is defense and special teams along with 10 other players besides Tyrod on offense. How could anyone think that a QB whose QB rating goes from 99.4 to 89.7 is regressing? Or a guy whose Yards Per Attempt drops from 8.0, to 6.9, which is from 5th in the league to 20th ... how could anyone think he was regressing? Frankly, it's hard to miss. Pretty much everyone except the more wild-eyed of his fans knows he regressed. And yeah, yeah, next come the justifications. But you know what justifications are? They're bad arguments. You can make justifications about absolutely anything He absolutely regressed. As for it being a team game ... yeah, of course. If anyone out there is blaming the entire Bills season on Tyrod, you have a point. But nobody but a few nuts is. We're blaming the regression in his performance as a QB on Tyrod. Not our defensive problems. Not our special teams problems. And not our terrific success at running the ball either. You give credit to Tyrod for what he did, but the problem is he still has the same limitations ... the lack of pocket presence in the frequency of leaving the pocket when there's no pressure, the unwillingness to throw the ball till a reciever is already open, the extreme infrequency of his throws to the deep and intermediate middle third ... the stuff we all see. I was desperately hoping for that stuff to improve this year. And it didn't. He's still evasive and a terrific athlete and he's still keeping INTs to an absolute minimum. And that's important. But he didn't improve his weaknesses either. It's an extremely reasonable opinion, and surely factors into the reason the Bills decision appears to be going the way it appears to be going. Edited February 7, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Give me a break, PD. You know better. $85MM is full contract value. Guaranteed money is $31MM. Taylor could easily make double that in free agency. There are enough teams who need a starting QB, including Arizona apparently, that Taylor and his agent can just sit back and let the Brinks truck pull up to their house. You might be right. I am sure there are teams who would be interested in him. I question how much they would be willing to pay for him based on two key factors - tight salary caps and the style of play Tyrod brings to an offense. You don't back up a Brinks truck when there is only one team willing to pay a lot for you. Houston can't afford to pay him. Maybe Arizona can, but if they aren't bidding against someone else who really wants him, how much will they pay? They would be in the driver's seat and be able to offer a shorter - prove it style contract for a lot less than the $85 million offer the Bills made him and less than $31 million guaranteed. If you honestly believe that Tyrod is going to make double the $85 million or double the $31 million in guaranteed money in free agency, then I can see why you would think he wouldn't be worried. If Tyrod thought that he was going to make double away from Buffalo, then he should be saying he doesn't care to play here so that it helps force the decision to move away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) How could anyone think that a QB whose QB rating goes from 99.4 to 89.7 is regressing? Or a guy whose Yards Per Attempt drops from 8.0, to 6.9, which is from 5th in the league to 20th ... how could anyone think he was regressing? Frankly, it's hard to miss. Pretty much everyone except the more wild-eyed of his fans knows he regressed. And yeah, yeah, next come the justifications. But you know what justifications are? They're bad arguments. You can make justifications about absolutely anything He absolutely regressed. The coaches certainly attribute much, if not all, of that drop off to the fact that Sammy was gone for half the year and he was throwing to Bob Woods + backup receivers for a good chunk of the year. That kind of production isn't as bad as you make it sound. And the coaches know this. Only casual fans who don't pay much attention to the details in football would automatically blame that production drop solely on the shoulders of the QB. I doubt you are a casual fan. So you must have some other reason for closing your eyes to what really happened there. Edited February 7, 2017 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's a strange dynamic at the moment. He's talking to the coaches but his agent hasn't gotten a call? One would think that the Bills know what the plan is with Tyrod. they are waiting for him to recover and pass physical before cutting him... give it another few weeks.... its all about the $$ 3 more years of suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 New head coach Sean McDermott and his staff have been reviewing film of Taylor and discussing whether or not they believe he should be the team’s starting quarterback in 2017. That decision has not yet been made, I’m told. http://www.wgr550.com/Bills-still-weighing-options-with-Taylor-Gilmore/23009185 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's his ceiling? How do you figure? Because he's been in the league for 6 full years and has done nothing. His first year as a starter, he wasn't very good. His second year as a starter, he was worse. I'm not piling on the guy. But the proof is in the pudding. His only strength is running the ball. That's it. There's never been a QB to achieve success with only a running game. And there's never been a team to achieve success with a QB whose only strength is running. All we need to do is look at playoff teams from the beginning of the NFL's existence. You need a QB who is at least "good" at passing the ball. Not the occasional bomb, or the lucky broken play. Consistency with accuracy with short to intermediate passes. And that is his biggest weakness. I just think it's time to move on and going with an unknown would be smarter than continuing with a QB who we know isn't very good at much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I don't think anyone thinks tyrod is the longterm answer. he could be but probably not. but he's a solid bridge qb. take a qb and see if he beats out tyrod in tc and then deal with the cap hits. the chances are we will not select the longterm qb in a weak qb class...maybe though. tyrod put up similar numbers to russel wilson when they went to the superbowl twice 2-3 years ago. 3300 yards passing, 500 yards rushing, he's a little behind in the td's but he doesn't have the defense they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Cutting him for who? Lol. Wouldn't surprise me at all, but next year will be a disaster for sure. Oh no. What are we gonna do without a cellar dwelling passer All of the lolz for "disaster" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I don't think anyone thinks tyrod is the longterm answer. he could be but probably not. but he's a solid bridge qb. take a qb and see if he beats out tyrod in tc and then deal with the cap hits. the chances are we will not select the longterm qb in a weak qb class...maybe though. tyrod put up similar numbers to russel wilson when they went to the superbowl twice 2-3 years ago. 3300 yards passing, 500 yards rushing, he's a little behind in the td's but he doesn't have the defense they did. My only question - what's the difference between going 8-8 and going 2-14? At least 2-14 gets a nice draft pick. We need to stop this .550-ish cycle by either winning a lot more or losing a lot more. Keeping Tyrod will just continue to perpetuate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thank god you're not running this team... Wrong. Russ Wilson and Marshawn would be Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 My only question - what's the difference between going 8-8 and going 2-14? At least 2-14 gets a nice draft pick. We need to stop this .550-ish cycle by either winning a lot more or losing a lot more. Keeping Tyrod will just continue to perpetuate it. well you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't think we'd be a playoff team with a solid defense. getting to the top of the draft doesn't always get you a qb...look at browns this year. if tyrod has the same year this year and our defense is top ten...we're in playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 well you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't think we'd be a playoff team with a solid defense. getting to the top of the draft doesn't always get you a qb...look at browns this year. if tyrod has the same year this year and our defense is top ten...we're in playoffs Tyrod's nickname should be "IF." If our running game is as good as it was. If our defense is top 10. If our WRs stay healthy. If our Special Teams are really special. THEN Tyrod will be good enough. I want a better QB who doesn't need the team to basically win games without him. I keep seeing this "Bridge QB" team thrown around. All a Bridge QB is, is a QB who sucks, but is good enough to maybe keep you in games as long as everyone else on the team plays lights out. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Tyrod's nickname should be "IF." If our running game is as good as it was. If our defense is top 10. If our WRs stay healthy. If our Special Teams are really special. THEN Tyrod will be good enough. I want a better QB who doesn't need the team to basically win games without him. really? you do? i swear you're the only person who wants that. my first post said exactly that...bridge qb. draft one and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Stellar analysis. Not for nothing, but I can't take someone that was on EJs jock for such a long period of time seriously. With that said he was a solid starter his first year as one. Last season he regressed a bit with trash to throw the ball to for much of the season. You don't think that played a significant part? His ceiling is 8-8 because they went 8-8 in his first year as a starter? That logic is asinine. They went 8-8 mostly due to his defense becoming an extreme disappointment. He's a bridge QB you can win with given the right team and coaches around him. Get him another WR opposite Sammy and get the **** fixed on defense and you can win. I'm all for moving on when a BETTER option is available.... but knowing the Bills they will say !@#$ it, dump Tyrod and roll with a rookie who will turn the ball over left and right. But hey, maybe he will mix in some 300 yard pass games to appease the fan base. Why are you so hysterical about a guy who can't beat .500 teams ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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