Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 You and your "facts" Blokes.... the lynch mob have no time for them. I hope we keep Stephon Gilmore because he will not be easy to replace. I think he is better than most Bills fans realise. There does come a point money wise though... and I wouldn't give him Norman like money. $13.5m a year would be my absolute limit. The $12m/year deal that Darius Slay got is fair market value for Stephon under the current circumstances. Tag being in play etc. Whether anyone likes it or not, paying Tyrod that contract still doesn't make us an offense-reliant team. We rely on the defense playing stifling football. Corner is a big part of that. The dropoff from Gilmore to most of the feasible options isn't something I want to risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The $12m/year deal that Darius Slay got is fair market value for Stephon under the current circumstances. Tag being in play etc. Whether anyone likes it or not, paying Tyrod that contract still doesn't make us an offense-reliant team. We rely on the defense playing stifling football. Corner is a big part of that. The dropoff from Gilmore to most of the feasible options isn't something I want to risk. Really? He couldn't be replaced for a whole lot less than his ask? I doubt it. Guy's been horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Really? He couldn't be replaced for a whole lot less than his ask? I doubt it. Guy's been horrible. I'm honestly dumbfounded that people think this. He had one horrific game, three decent games and three good/great games. I don't get it. How is that not enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I'm honestly dumbfounded that people think this. He had one horrific game, three decent games and three good/great games. I don't get it. How is that not enough? people must not watch other teams and their corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 people must not watch other teams and their corners I'm still not convinced they're even watching the guy on the other side of our backfield, let alone anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I'm still not convinced they're even watching the guy on the other side of our backfield, let alone anyone else Listen, Gilmore has allowed some catches this season. Do you see any other great corners in the league allowing any catches!?! I didn't think so. The only way to be a great corner is to never allow a catch. Ever. Everyone knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) I'm still not convinced they're even watching the guy on the other side of our backfield, let alone anyone else ha, yeah. He's not an elite all pro but he's a very solid player who is young, size and speed, can play man coverage and any team would love to have. Good NFL CBs don't grow on trees. He will get paid one way or another and he should. Edited October 28, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 ha, yeah. He's not an elite all pro but he's a very solid player who is young, size and speed, can play man coverage and any team would love to have. Good NFL CBs don't grow on trees. He will get paid one way or another and he should. A little perspective wouldn't go amiss. Is he a top-5 corner? Probably not. Do you need to be to get paid like one? Not really. Will someone pay him if he hits the open market? Absolutely. Is he a big hole to fill? Absolutely. Janoris Jenkins has the 6th highest average cap hit for an NFL CB (not including Trumaine Johnson's tag figure) and he wasn't even the best CB on his TEAM in 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 A little perspective wouldn't go amiss. Is he a top-5 corner? Probably not. Do you need to be to get paid like one? Not really. Will someone pay him if he hits the open market? Absolutely. Is he a big hole to fill? Absolutely. Janoris Jenkins has the 6th highest average cap hit for an NFL CB (not including Trumaine Johnson's tag figure) and he wasn't even the best CB on his TEAM in 2015 OK, well HE is asking for top-5 money. Should you pay top-5 for someone who isnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 OK, well HE is asking for top-5 money. Should you pay top-5 for someone who isnt? Ideally, you don't 'overpay' for anyone but every team is different. A team like the Cowboys have put resources into an offensive line to aid their play style. Fredericks just got paid, Tyron Smith got an 8-year deal, Martin/Collins will get paid when their time comes. Those guys are critical for what they do and will get paid accordingly. Even if not absolute value-for-money, they'll stick with what they've got and not delve into the realms of unknowns. For Rex, defense is the strong suit. Corner being the critical position. I think Gilmore is certainly within the upper echelon of corner play in the NFL. Trying to quantify exactly where he fits isn't easy but he's the clear #1 CB on this team, he's got 2 years in the system already and if any replacement for him falters, it could be damaging to the team's likelihood of future success (at least in the short term). Given all that; yeah, I pay him a hefty sum. I've said it before, paying Gilmore doesn't scare me. I know what I'm getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ideally, you don't 'overpay' for anyone but every team is different. A team like the Cowboys have put resources into an offensive line to aid their play style. Fredericks just got paid, Tyron Smith got an 8-year deal, Martin/Collins will get paid when their time comes. Those guys are critical for what they do and will get paid accordingly. Even if not absolute value-for-money, they'll stick with what they've got and not delve into the realms of unknowns. For Rex, defense is the strong suit. Corner being the critical position. I think Gilmore is certainly within the upper echelon of corner play in the NFL. Trying to quantify exactly where he fits isn't easy but he's the clear #1 CB on this team, he's got 2 years in the system already and if any replacement for him falters, it could be damaging to the team's likelihood of future success (at least in the short term). Given all that; yeah, I pay him a hefty sum. I've said it before, paying Gilmore doesn't scare me. I know what I'm getting there. I get your point, just not sure I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The $12m/year deal that Darius Slay got is fair market value for Stephon under the current circumstances. Tag being in play etc. Whether anyone likes it or not, paying Tyrod that contract still doesn't make us an offense-reliant team. We rely on the defense playing stifling football. Corner is a big part of that. The dropoff from Gilmore to most of the feasible options isn't something I want to risk. Couldn't agree more. We still need to win with defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I get your point, just not sure I agree. We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of opinion. Just stating the case for the defense, m'lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of opinion. Just stating the case for the defense, m'lord M'lord? I'm in 'murrica. We ain't need no lords, yer lordship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of opinion. Just stating the case for the defense, m'lord I am delighted we have made it this far in the discussion. Because i do not like his style of play does not mean i do not respect him. I probably like Slay more. But when you are talking about Buffalo's offer of 105 and him maybe wanting 12? I don't care that much. I just want him to tackle the run much much better. and turn back to the play quicker. As a person i think i really like the guy. The other point is, YES, he is not that simple to replace in Rex's current method. He is a very good corner. Just ask opposing QBs M'lord? I'm in 'murrica. We ain't need no lords, yer lordship unruly bunch you 'mericans. wait.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 M'lord? I'm in 'murrica. We ain't need no lords, yer lordship I bet you don't even get to wear those frilly powdered wigs in court. Simpletons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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