IDBillzFan Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: I haven't followed this case close enough (at all) to have an opinion, but that wouldn't shock me if it turned out to be how it went Facts don't keep the lunatics from getting their pound of flesh. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Haley Cameron 2024 ...I'd have to say AG Cameron is pretty impressive in his decision......could have been intimidated easily by mob rule......sadly he'll probably be a target now.........make no mistake, the MSM is coming with venom......first KY AG Republican since 1944.....and a 34 year old black man no less....hope this young man fights the fight.... Edited September 23, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1
B-Man Posted September 23, 2020 Author Posted September 23, 2020 I remember about a year and a half ago, one of our more simplistic posters chided me for making the title of this thread "Liberal Protests" I should change the word liberal, he wrote. Well, now in 2020, I am starting to (slightly) agree with him. I should change the title of this thread to "LIBERAL PROTESTS RIOTS" 😎 6 1
Chef Jim Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said: Facts don't keep the lunatics from getting their pound of flesh. I know it was a loooooooooooooong time ago but when I was a child and threw a temper tantrum I NEVER got what I wanted. And usually when I finally gave up I had forgotten what the tantrum was all about. I'm seeing similarities.
Alaska Darin Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I just can't get behind any of this. I don't see the reason for this particular "take down". There are very few reasons to go through someone's door when they're sleeping that make sense to the libertarian in me. If you don't see the government overreach here, you need to take a step back. If they didn't know he had a gun, they're fools. If they knew he had a gun and went through his door in the middle of the night when they thought he'd be sleeping, they're even bigger fools.
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said: I just can't get behind any of this. I don't see the reason for this particular "take down". There are very few reasons to go through someone's door when they're sleeping that make sense to the libertarian in me. If you don't see the government overreach here, you need to take a step back. If they didn't know he had a gun, they're fools. If they knew he had a gun and went through his door in the middle of the night when they thought he'd be sleeping, they're even bigger fools. I am not an LEO or attorney, and do not play one on the internet. With that caveat... apparently no-knocks are so the drug deals do not start shooting at the cops coming with a warrant. That was pretty common before no-knocks. In this case, it was a no-knock that they knocked for (do not ask me why). She was probably her sainted boyfriend's human shield, and why she is dead, and he is alive.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I just can't get behind any of this. I don't see the reason for this particular "take down". There are very few reasons to go through someone's door when they're sleeping that make sense to the libertarian in me. If you don't see the government overreach here, you need to take a step back. If they didn't know he had a gun, they're fools. If they knew he had a gun and went through his door in the middle of the night when they thought he'd be sleeping, they're even bigger fools. This is the absolute correct take.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: I am not an LEO or attorney, and do not play one on the internet. With that caveat... apparently no-knocks are so the drug deals do not start shooting at the cops coming with a warrant. That was pretty common before no-knocks. In this case, it was a no-knock that they knocked for (do not ask me why). She was probably her sainted boyfriend's human shield, and why she is dead, and he is alive. No-knocks are an atrocity. How does one distinguish them from a home invasion? And then the police justify shooting based on an individual’s response to a perceived home invasion? Also, it’s wildly short sighted to justify policy and law which, in all probability, will be unjustifiably detrimental to regular citizens, for the purpose of insulating agents of the state from harm.
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No-knocks are an atrocity. How does one distinguish them from a home invasion? And then the police justify shooting based on an individual’s response to a perceived home invasion? Also, it’s wildly short sighted to justify policy and law which, in all probability, will be unjustifiably detrimental to regular citizens, for the purpose of insulating agents of the state from harm. Welp, how do you expect the police to try and arrest some big time drug dealer? "Hello Mister Big-time Drug Dealer. We are here to arrest you. Would you mind coming with us?" Why don't you do a month ride along with some big city LEOs and come back and answer that question. 🙂 1
Koko78 Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Welp, how do you expect the police to try and arrest some big time drug dealer? "Hello Mister Big-time Drug Dealer. We are here to arrest you. Would you mind coming with us?" Why don't you do a month ride along with some big city LEOs and come back and answer that question. 🙂 Easy. They call ahead to schedule an appointment.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Welp, how do you expect the police to try and arrest some big time drug dealer? "Hello Mister Big-time Drug Dealer. We are here to arrest you. Would you mind coming with us?" Why don't you do a month ride along with some big city LEOs and come back and answer that question. 🙂 You say that as if I haven’t. Youve come down on the side of the state murdering innocents (not specific to this case). If the state insulates itself, then they aren’t “protecting and serving”; they’ve put themselves ahead of their citizens.
whatdrought Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No-knocks are an atrocity. How does one distinguish them from a home invasion? And then the police justify shooting based on an individual’s response to a perceived home invasion? Also, it’s wildly short sighted to justify policy and law which, in all probability, will be unjustifiably detrimental to regular citizens, for the purpose of insulating agents of the state from harm. I mean, we can debate the wisdom and constitutionality is no-knocks (and I don’t like them either) but it doesn’t matter to this case: 1- evidence shows they did knock and identify themselves. 2- Whether or not they knocked, they were executing a just warrant legally and got shot at, so of course they’re going to shoot back. 3- much of the narrative is that they bust in the door guns blazing and killer her while she slept. According to something I read (maybe upthread, and potentially incorrect, but going off that) the ag stated that they did identify themselves, and when they entered she and the boyfriend were in the hallway and the boyfriend shot at the cops. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You say that as if I haven’t. Youve come down on the side of the state murdering innocents (not specific to this case). If the state insulates itself, then they aren’t “protecting and serving”; they’ve put themselves ahead of their citizens. Sure, that is exactly what I said.
whatdrought Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Don't worry, the NYTs immediately questioned this finding saying that one witness isn't enough to make that claim. 22 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I just can't get behind any of this. I don't see the reason for this particular "take down". There are very few reasons to go through someone's door when they're sleeping that make sense to the libertarian in me. If you don't see the government overreach here, you need to take a step back. If they didn't know he had a gun, they're fools. If they knew he had a gun and went through his door in the middle of the night when they thought he'd be sleeping, they're even bigger fools. Assuming that the AG’a report is accurate (and I haven’t seen solid sourcing that indicates it’s not) I don’t agree with your take, though I agree that no-knocks are questionable at best.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I mean, we can debate the wisdom and constitutionality is no-knocks (and I don’t like them either) but it doesn’t matter to this case: 1- evidence shows they did knock and identify themselves. 2- Whether or not they knocked, they were executing a just warrant legally and got shot at, so of course they’re going to shoot back. 3- much of the narrative is that they bust in the door guns blazing and killer her while she slept. According to something I read (maybe upthread, and potentially incorrect, but going off that) the ag stated that they did identify themselves, and when they entered she and the boyfriend were in the hallway and the boyfriend shot at the cops. I’m speaking to no-knock raids. If this wasn’t a no-knock raid, them I’m not speaking to this. However, I don’t trust the government to investigate itself, do you?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 No knocks are bollocks for sure. But breonna wasn't killed during one, so it's irrelevant to this situation. 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Sure, that is exactly what I said. I follow things out to their natural eventualities. This is the reduced logical outcome of your position.
whatdrought Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I’m speaking to no-knock raids. If this wasn’t a no-knock raid, them I’m not speaking to this. However, I don’t trust the government to investigate itself, do you? I mean, I certainly don’t trust the liberal media narrative that is the antithesis of the government investigation. We’re stuck with two options and one of them is currently burning my city down. That being said, the evidence of those case has been very consistent throughout. He shot first. Once your shoot at the cops, you and those around you become downrange.
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